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Yahoo's Not Getting the Message

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:25:43 PM PDT

I couldn't help but shake my head a bit over today's announcement about Yahoo's plans to re-make online advertising. While I truly wish them luck, my readers keep telling me that Yahoo still has a problem with a much more basic part of the Internet -- e-mail.


Many of the readers were prompted by last year's story about how Yahoo's attempts to inhibit spam often cause more problems than they solve. "Hey, I have the same bloody issue with Yahoo's grey listing," wrote one reader recently. "Here's a dumber point though -- Roger Communications, the media giant, is tied into Yahoo so all their e-mail goes through Yahoo. Imagine how much mail they are losing. Case in point, while your communications logs show the messages eventually getting transferred to the Yahoo servers, many messages still do not make it to their intended recipient. Another one of their stupid practices is they cap the allowed recipients of any given message at five. Ask yourself how many distribution groups do you have the have more than five recipients? Like, give me a break. I think all their techs with any experience have moved on -- I've been fighting with the morons who are left for weeks!"

Yahoo's vast experience at dealing with the spammers who use its free e-mail doesn't seem to have given it a leg up in detecting junk messages. "Yahoo has worst spam filters of all," wrote another reader. "Of the three biggie free e-mail vendors, I find that Gmail has superlative spam filtering, Hotmail is pretty good, and Yahoo is abysmal. Of the three, my Yahoo e-mail address has never been made public, yet it gets the most spam, much of which is not redirected into the bulk mail folder. Because of this, I have continued to avoid Yahoo for email. I have also used a number of hosting resellers for various domains, and Yahoo is the most problematic when it comes to sending legitimate e-mail and having it filed into the recipient's bulk folder. Interestingly, I have SBC (now AT&T) /Yahoo DSL and the sbcglobal.net mailboxes -- hosted on Yahoo -- do a much better filtering job."

But even paying customers for Yahoo's e-mail services can find themselves having trouble. "I'm at the end of my rope with Yahoo mail," wrote another reader. "We have about 30 paid e-mail dial-up accounts with them in various locales here in the Southwest," wrote another reader. "In the last month or so a problem has arisen with delayed e-mail messages. Any time we send a message using POP access the message is delayed for hours. In one case I had a message that wasn't delivered for nearly 24 hours after it was sent. The average delay seems to be about 6-8 hours. I have chatted with Yahoo techs, called their support line, and e-mailed them -- all to no avail. I was promised last week that the problem would be fixed in 24 hours. That was six days ago. The email is still delayed and it is becoming a business problem for my company."

That reader wrote me back a few days later to say he had finally gotten through to the Yahoo e-mail support group. "They said there were aware of the problem and it had been on-going for two -- it's been closer to four. The engineers have not given them a timeframe on a fix. We will be forced to move to a different service soon if we can't get it resolved. Yahoo mail used to be a good service but they have been having problems like this frequently during the past six months."

If you know a company that's too busy re-designing the Internet to bother fixing their existing products, send them a message by posting your comments about it below or by writing Ed Foster at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Yahoo's Not Getting the Message | 14 comments (14 topical) | Post A Comment
Yahoo's Mail Service[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by tscoff on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 03:54:10 PM PDT

I run a mail server that is used to send out 5000 or 6000 e-mail messages every Monday morning.  Most of the e-mail goes out without a problem except the Yahoo mail.  I've started to just stop sending the e-mails to Yahoo addresses.

Each e-mail is unique.  They are computer generated and they go to a maximum of 2 addresses, 95% of them only go to one address.  And Yahoo is classifying them as spam and refusing to accept them.  I've gotten in the habit of telling people who are upset that they aren't getting their e-mail to switch e-mail providers.  Most of the time that means dumping Yahoo, Hotmail, or MSN.

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Solicited non-commercial e-mail[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by tscoff on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:29:15 PM PDT

One other detail.  The e-mail that I send out is requested by the recipients and it is not commercial.  It's their children's grades and attendance information.

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Solicited non-commercial [ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
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Yahoo! Premium?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by BigManTate on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:27:00 AM PDT

Are they doing this to all imcoming messages or only to those who are not on the paid Yahoo! accounts? The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if they're not trying to push their free members into paid accounts "to ensure" that they receive all messages.

Allen Tate
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Fill it up....[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:58:35 AM PDT

I've had my Yahoo account for more than 8 years. But about 3 months ago my email account started to receive from 30-100 junk emails a day (not landing in the Junk Email folder). I've tried searching on how to turn off the email feature as I use other features of Yahoo (my.yahoo); I also have people contact me using Gmail now. So I guess Yahoo is going to needlessly use up 2GB of storage as I will no longer be going into my Yahoo email account to delete the messages.

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Yahoo servers are misconfigured -- old news[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Reziac on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:30:40 AM PDT

I first noticed Yahoo's problem with EATING both incoming and outgoing email 9 years ago. At the time our software project lost touch with our lead developer for 6 months because somehow neither mail to nor from his Yahoo account went anywhere.

I whined about this on another forum, and someone there, savvy in the ways of email servers, replied that he had recently run a simple test query against all of Yahoo's mail servers, and thereby discovered that about a THIRD of them were drastically misconfigured -- and THAT is why they were randomly eating mail.

Yahoo Groups is subject to the same problem -- sometimes it works, sometimes a given group becomes an email black hole.

So... whether your Yahoo email or group works depends solely on the luck of being on one of the "good" servers.

As to spam, I suspect this is a similar issue -- that some servers are configured correctly, others are not, and the latter get spammed all to hell. As evidence, I offer this:

I've had a Yahoo account for 10 years, and for its first 6 years it never got a single spam. AFTER Yahoo introduced spam filtering, it began getting a trickle (one or two a month). I haven't actually logged in there in over a year (since I hardly ever use it for real email) ... so let's go see what I've got! [goes off, logs into Yahoo mail] In a year's time, my Yahoo mailbox has accumulated -- count them -- just 13 spams.

I don't think it's coincidental that on those rare occasions when I *do* use my Yahoo account, it does NOT seem to lose any email, especially since I've also noticed that those Yahoo groups most infested with spam are also the same ones that sometimes go down a black hole for several months at a stretch.

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~REZ~
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Yahoo email[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Rocktman2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:48:27 AM PDT

My Yahoo email is the second email service I have & I've probably been using it for 13 years or so. My first email accounts were with Juno when it first started up in the early 90's. I still have my Juno accounts although I no longer use them & would not ever consider using them again. Why? They're spam catchers. For email that hasn't been used in almost 15 years, they get an extraordinary amount of spam (a lot of it from Juno itself). Yahoo's service has gotten horrendous over the past few years. From mail that's delayed for hours to days, to their group product that periodically goes off-line. BTW, both their email & groups were acquired when Yahoo bought Geocities. That's how I have Yahoo mail. Gmail is a far better & more reliable email service than Yahoo is. Gmail is the reason Yahoo offers so much storage now. Yahoo had been steadily reducing the storage limit on new accounts until Gmail came along. How do I know this? I created many Yahoo email accounts to use their free websites so I was able to compare storage limits on my accounts. Yahoo's service on the free websites is as bad or worse than the email now. The websites have a data cap that uses voodoo math. If you have pictures on your website, visitors can't view more than about 2 pages before Yahoo shuts your site down for an hour because you've used up your data allotment. It used to take multiple viewings of the entire website to be shut down. Not anymore. While Yahoo is shooting itself in the foot, I absolutely DON'T want M$ buying it. How long do you think it would be until M$ remade Yahoo over into the image of its other services?

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Yahoo mail.... has indeed gotten worse.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:57:52 PM PDT

I'm a paying DSL ATT/Yahoo customer and now, I have to watch adds to view my web mail. And not just ads, but huge, full screen vertical ads (skyscrapers). Just pathetic.

And spam blocking?? It doesn't exist. They have zero email protection in my opinion. I've never used my account to send or receive email except for my own use to send files back and forth. Yet somehow, within days of opening my DSL account, I was getting barraged with spam, and still am, years later.

And even more stupidity.... If you want to make your calendar available online, the URL for your calendar contains your primary email address. How stupid is that? Contrast that to Google which creates an URL for your public calendars that does not expose your email addresses. Needless to say, I avoided making any part of my account public, but it hasn't mattered in that the spam flows freely.

Yahoo is clearly not with the program.

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Yahoo mail isn't so bad for me[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by geoffhazel on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:53:53 AM PDT

I also have been a long time Yahoo mail user, and haven't had too much to complain about. I get lots of email into my bulk mail, and from zero to 4 actual spam per day. I didn't like how they put the "skyscraper" ads on the right side of the new mail, but found that I can use Firefox with a Greasemonkey add-on that filters those ads right off the page. If I didn't have that, I, too, would be upset. I'm going to slowly transition over to gmail though, because apparently my company feels about Yahoo the way most of the people who have commented here do, and they are blocking Yahoo access from our Blackberries now. Gmail, however, still gets through.

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use classic view[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by bmeacham on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 12:07:41 PM PDT

I use the classic view of email, not Yahoo's new view, and I do not see "skyscraper" ads, only a banner ad at the top of the page.

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Lucky me[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:31:23 AM PDT

Wow, I must be on one of the "good" servers. My Yahoo account works great, the spam filtering is amazingly accurate, and although there are a few minor annoyances, considering what I pay for the service (NOTHING), I'd never complain. Now, to go get that greasemonkey thing...

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