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Autorenewal Lurks in Spyware Doctor

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:30:00 AM PDT

As we recently saw, automatic subscription renewals seem to have become de rigueur for antivirus software vendors. But one reader recently discovered that the practice is creeping into the anti-spyware category as well.


"Should I be outraged or not?" the reader headed his message to me. "I purchased copies of PC Tools' Spyware Doctor several years ago, and have been satisfied with it up until last week. Instead of merely sending me a reminder to renew my one-year subscription, PC Tools took the liberty of renewing it for me and charging my credit card."

If the reader had "agreed" to the renewal in a PC Tools EULA, he wasn't aware of it. "To my knowledge, I had never been asked to agree to an autorenewal. In fact, I would need to sign up for an account on the PC Tools website in order to change my renewal preferences. And if my e-mail address had changed in the past year, I would not have known what this strange charge was on my credit card bill, if indeed I'd even have noticed it at all. Even Symantec has not had the gall to stoop to this sort of thing, at least not yet."

"My initial reaction was one of subdued rage," the reader wrote. "How dare a company just decide to charge my credit card for something I had never requested? Isn't it theft? So I called to speak to American Express about it. The representative was far from sympathetic. He said that these autorenewals were 'the norm' now, and he saw no problem with what PC Tools had done, financially or ethically. The litmus test, he said, was whether or not it was a renewable subscription. His claim was: If it can be renewed, then the company always has the right to renew it via your credit card, even if you have not affirmed a willingness or desire for renewals, and even if the company has not requested your approval. In the end, he seemed quite exasperated with me for questioning the legitimacy of this charge."

The reader liked the Spyware Doctor and would have renewed his subscription if PC Tools had just asked. "Actually, the price PC Tools charged me was quite reasonable, but I am done with Spyware Doctor and PC Tools, and have requested a refund." In a follow-up e-mail the reader said he had indeed gotten the refund. "They have credited my account, so they have at least been responsive to my request to cancel. But now I need to find a new anti-spyware app."

And, the reader wondered, how do you find out for sure which anti-spyware vendors don't use autorenewal? And if they don't now, how will you know when they start? "I realize that there are ways to prevent this sort of abuse, but am I just out of touch?" the reader concludes. " Is it now an accepted business tactic to be able to charge someone's credit card for a product they did not request, as long as the product is 'renewable?' And if so, will utility companies, phone companies, and insurance companies start charging my credit card automatically, instead of asking my permission as they do today?"

So what do you think -- does the reader have the right to be outraged at PC Tools for its automatically renewing his subscription? Or, like the credit card rep told him, should he just now accept the fact that this is the norm? Post your comments below or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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autorenewal, NOT[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by aoz on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:25:51 AM PDT

I despise autorenewals. suppose you've quit using the product? suppose you've quit using that machine? all they ahve to do is have a subroutine built into their program, so that when your computer goes online, to get autoupdates, it checks date, and if you are BEYOND date, have giant screen that flashes up - YOU need to RENEW - either ACCEPT or DECLINE - and realize that by DECLINING you are LOSING valuable virus PROTECTION - and just flash this message every time the system checks for updates of the virus program @@ then you can NEVER say you were not aware that your program expired @@@ ALSO, to counter this, always use single-use virtual credit card numbers ! nick

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agree one time credit cards are the answer[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by RichNRockville on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:49:09 AM PDT

There are several banks that have credit cards with the option to provide a one time use card number. Either that or each year, call your credit card company and ask them to issue you a new number as you suspect that someone has copied your credit card number and you don't want to keep the old number. Or change credit card companies each year..

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The "norm" does not make it right....[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:26:27 AM PDT

The vendor, in collusion with the credit card companies, are making this the "norm" because it's profitable for both of them. Obviously, the vendor gets a sale and the CC company gets their profit from the transaction. Neither of them has any motivation to curb this sleazy activity.

Just because they have decided to make it the "norm", it doesn't mean it's right. Personally, I believe that every single charge should require explicit approval by the card holder or at least require that the card holder actually place an order. The exception to this would be if the card holder signed a document indicating CLEARLY that they are aware of recurring charges and approve said activity. Under no circumstance should it be a EULA or fine-print issue.

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credit card theft[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:59:31 AM PDT

If you don't make a purchase or otherwise agree to the charge then how is this any different than some random credit card thief charging your card?

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Autorenewal[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:21:48 AM PDT

I think this individual has just been mugged online by a software company. The only way a company should be able to charge your credit card for renewalls automatically is if you set up that process in the beginning and specifically agreed to it. Wording in a EULA should not allow autorenewal charges and I'd bet that if he/she took them to court, they would win.

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This is American Express?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Will Fastie on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:13:41 AM PDT

The heck with the software vendor. The fact that American Express would consider the charge valid just because the product is "renewable" is a far bigger problem.

I've always viewed AMEX as the gold standard for customer service regarding bogus charges. I thus find this story very disturbing.

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Exactly[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Reziac on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:21:56 AM PDT

I agree, that credit card companies have neither desire nor incentive to halt this practice is far more disturbing than the auto-renewal scam itself.

However, I'd bet that if enough people responded "Fine, then please cancel my AmEx card", this would change in a hurry!

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~REZ~
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"The Norm"[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 04:25:25 AM PDT

While I agree with the previous sentiments, I'm afraid the correspondent has just cut off his nose to spite his face. He's not likely to find another paid product that doesn't have such evergreen policies. Is it right? Of course not. Is it ethical? Most would say no, but ethics is a very subjective topic. Is it legal? Absolutely. Remember, it's legal unless a court declares it illegal. And the laws these days pretty much permit businesses to do anything they feel like.

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However ...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:33:48 AM PDT

However, this gives the correspondent the opportunity to take steps to assure that the next vendor he goes with can't do this to him even if they do have an evergreen policy. (i.e. one-time use CC number)

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another reason to dislike Recurring charges[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 06:18:29 AM PDT

I don't know if this experience is typical or not. I had a credit card a few years (don't remember if it was VISA or MC) that I had previously canceled thru the issuing bank. Months after that cancelation, I get a bill for a $15 charge from a company I had no dealings with. Naturally I contested. I called the bank and told them that the card had been canceled for some time and that I had not authorized the charge and I was contesting the charge. At that time the person on the phone from the bank said that the charge would be removed but if it was a recurring (monthly or yearly) charge I would have to contest each charge. Seemed to make no difference that the card was canceled or not. Good news is it wasn't a recurring charge.

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Use something like this....[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:19:22 PM PDT

...to instruct the CC company explicitly not to accept charges:

ADDRESS

DATE

A/C Number: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am writing to close my BLAH credit card account xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx. I enclose the N issued cards, cut into pieces.

I have sent a check separately to pay the $xxxx.xx balance outstanding on the current statement. I agree to pay for any transactions authorized by me that I have missed in my calculations as soon as you advise me of them.

Any further transactions to the credit card account xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx are not authorised by me, and I instruct you not to accept any further purchases or other debits to the account.

I also request that you remove me from your direct mail marketing lists and do not share my name,  address, telephone, transaction, and other personal details with your marketing affiliates or other organisations.

Yours faithfully,

YOU

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Citibank did that to me[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by Fushigi on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 03:55:17 AM PDT

My experience was like yours: a charge was posted to a closed account (strike 1) and when called on the carpet Citi removed the charge (ball 1). They could not explain why such a charge was allowed (strike 2). Not willing to have a strike 3, I placed Citibank on my lifetime ban list.

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Where to go..[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 06:45:09 AM PDT

I've found that Counter-Spy does everything that I need and just reminds you how many days your subscription has left. An excellent way to do things IMHO.

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Counter Spy[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 09:50:43 AM PDT

Counter Spy also provides almost immediate tech support by people who know and understand the product. They try to fix problems. This should be normal, but it isn't. I was astounded. Highly recommended. I hope it lasts.

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Automatic Renewals[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:05:41 AM PDT

It's clear that this practice is becoming a widespread problem. It's also clearly a total abuse by the software companies. I believe it's time for the FTC to get involved. A few Federal investigations and horribly exxpensive class-action suits against the software companies will curb this practice in a hurry.

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You would not believe ....[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:22:05 AM PDT

I subscribed to ConsumerReports.org to see what it was about. While on-site, I dug into my "personal" information. Yep, there was my credit card information and an indication that I had chosen "auto-renewal." I surely don't recall that from when I signed up (it is a red flag I look for).

I signed up through a special page they created with a substantial discount for magazine subscribers (which I am). When you go on site,

  • there is no way to change the auto-renewal option,
  • there is no way to contact anyone associated with the service, and
  • there is no telephone number.

I'm a unhappy consumer!

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consumerreports.org[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by jkhill on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:16:34 PM PDT

On the top of the page, click My Account.  The first gray box has a Cancel subscription hyperlink, just to the right of the line that says "Terms:  renewing monthly."

I've found consumerreports.org (and Consumers Union generally) to be quite transparent in their subscription policies.  When *I* signed up for the website, the fact that it was a recurring charge was clear to me (it's a red flag for me too).

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Consumer's Union[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by byelen on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 05:48:34 AM PDT

Not only are they transparent, but they send an email prior to rewnewing. I had plenty of time to "opt out" and cancel my subscription.

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Tangential, but related[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:38:22 AM PDT

One of the other "new innovations" in the banking/billing industry seems to be processing everything as electronic transactions. I have kept my current bank for a reason -- they return my canceled checks to me. That way, if there is a problem in the future (and it's happened several times), I can provide a copy of my canceled check to prove payment. Lately, however, more and more businesses are processing checks as electronic fund transfers and shredding the check.

If I wanted to do electronic transactions, I'd do them. This just seems to open up another opportunity for abuse in the future.

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Check Copies[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by auctionhugh on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:24:37 PM PDT

My credit union puts my canceled checks online, front and back. I can print them out anytime. Very handy actually.

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Autorenewals[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:48:18 AM PDT

I have Spysweeper. It's an excellent product, and they always ask me, via email, if I want to renew. I think annual auto-renewals should be illegal. It's not too much to ask companies to send emails asking customers to renew.

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Automatic renewals suck goatse.cx[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Bryan Bytehead on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:05:02 PM PDT

Now that I've burn an image in your mind for the rest of the day, you can hurt me later. We canceled AOL *AND* our credit card because we had a son who was upset with the time restrictions we had on his account. He knew enough of the credit card number to reset his mother's account and change his account to full access. Multiple times. So we cancel AOL and canceled that credit card. We get our new credit card, and we think everything is OK. Three months later, we find that we've been put on the three month free, then keep charging you cancellation list. AOL had managed to get all the information they needed to charge the card. We asked for an inquiry on that from the credit union, which deigned to ignore us on that. Three months later, AOL hit us again. I called them up, got connected to a retention specialist and pretty much told them to shut up, that they would be canceling this account, that if we ever got charged for AOL again, not only would we change credit card numbers, we would be changing financial institutions, we would file complaints about not being allowed to cancel this account with the state attorney, with the BBB, with the FCC, and since you gave me your name and I know you are sitting in Jacksonville, I will hunt you down and kill you. The last part was probably thought, not said. Hopefully. (Yes, I know where the call center was in Jacksonville, not that it's there anymore, 30 minutes away from my house). We never heard from AOL again. Ever.

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Hunt down and kill them?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#33)
by Anonymous User on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:23:47 AM PDT

Sounds like your problem is with your son not AOL or the CC company. Then again, maybe you deserve each other!

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One-Use Credit Cards[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Big Al C on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 05:02:41 PM PDT

Here's the scoop on them: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,68771-page,1/article.html CitiBank's One-Use: https://www.citibank.com/us/cards/vanpromo/cmc_pop/index2.htm?ProspectID=27EA56BDB5F248FE996A8CA3CEB 11D5A

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AMEX at fault[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by rj2046 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 06:37:39 PM PDT

That's way too preferential to the vendor. They need a shake - up. As a previous poster stated AMEX is "the gold standard" in customer service. I was led to believe this and I signed up eagerly through the no-annual fee program at COSTCO. I use the AMEX card exclusively now, but will do some serious re-think if I ever get put into that position with AMEX or any other credit card. Shame on them.

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It's a false charge unless you said OK[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 09:19:18 PM PDT

I wish we could get an official comment from Amex on this to clear up all the speculation. It seems to me that unless you Ok auto-renew--whether wittingly or not, fully aware or not--an automatic renewal is an unauthorized charge. You should challenge it at Amex or any other credit card company for a chargeback. I think the issue here is probably signing up for auto-renew without being fully aware of it.

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THE NORM?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous User on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:21:57 AM PDT

So auto-renewal is now the norm and we should all accept it? OK, but I'm sure the software companies will also realise that downloading software from newsgroups or obtaining it by p2p methods rather than paying for it is now "the norm" as well and will accept this development.

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Theft[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by wawadave on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:33:23 AM PDT

Theft is what this is! Its theft. I its now the cor-pirate standard then its standard to steal from you....
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Fake New Yorker Magazine Bill[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by srynas on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:16:13 AM PDT

Today I received a fake bill from New Yorker Magazine.  On of the so-called "benefits" of subscribing would have been auto-renewal. No more of those pesky reminders for you to renew!!!

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You may need to cancel your CC account entirely[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:46:03 AM PDT

I thought I could take a shortcut with Amex and report my card lost and have them issue a new one. I thought doing this would automatically cancel all renewals. I also had an issue with a family member who had once used my card for an Itunes purchase and was continuing to use it; my fault. I was told by Amex customer service that reporting the card lost would guarantee that it could not be used again for auto-renewals or Itunes; once the new card arrived I could set things up afresh. Well, guess what--that's not true. The renewals and other purchases kept happening. I called Amex and spoke with someone higher up: Amex had issued me a new card number, and I had not given that number to anyone. How is it that vendors had access to this new number. Well, it turns out that the account still existed--the only thing that had changed were the last four digits. Any vendor who has had access to the account in the past may continue to bill it. Reporting the card lost does zilch. If I wanted to stop the use I had to cancel the account entirely, which I did.

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Q: How to stop auto-renewals, cold?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by DavidBSpalding on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:20:39 PM PDT

A: Change cards yearly. Most auto-renewals that I authorize are for services (e.g. AAA) and valid subscriptions (to Consumer Reports Online). I approve of them keeping me subscribed, but in this day it pays to keep your charge information dynamic. Simply cancel your card and order another, while you use a secondary card as a temporary replacement. It works wonders. People who have an invalid card and try to charge to it again, simply have no recourse. They HAVE to talk to me.

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Free Programs = No Auto-Renewal Nightmares[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by Anonymous User on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:24:03 PM PDT

I avoid this auto renewal scenario completely by using the many fine freeware products out there.  Some of my favorites are AVG, ZoneAlarm, CCleaner, Ad-Aware, SpyBot, RegSeeker, JZip among others.  There are many, many other free, no hassle, no ads programs that work very well and don't install a mountain of hooks in your files and registry.  If you find/use a free program/utility that is especially great and productive, most authors will gladly except a donation for their work, if you are so inclined.

Maybe the big boys - who charge by the year whether you want it or not - will get the message someday.

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In addition to Freeware/Open Source...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous User on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:27:32 AM PDT

I second what the previous poster said about using free software and I will add that if you don't use Internet Explorer, about 99% of the need to use Anti-Spyware software goes away. And if you also don't use a peer file sharing application, it reduces the need further.

I surf with Opera and occasionally Firefox and have not had spyware infections in the last 5 years.

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An easy way to prevent AutoRenewals![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:00:59 PM PDT

Simply buy the package in a box, not online. Install it, and it registers it for one year of use and then when the year is up, the company can only email you begging you to renew. When you purchase and install in this manner, they don't even have a credit card number to work with. This works for all boxed packages that don't require things like monthly subscriptions. You also have the advantage of having a physical CD to use to reinstall the package if something goes wrong with your computer.

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