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Adobe, Sears, and Spying Eyes

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:47:30 AM PDT

Who is watching how you use your computer, and what might they be doing with the information they collect? Two oddly similar stories involving Adobe and Sears reveal that it's quite possible companies you've never heard of are keeping an eye on you for purposes that we may never know.


Over the holidays the Uneasy Silence blog posted the discovery that Adobe CS3 applications when launched always ping a website owned by Omniture, a web analytics firm. Disturbingly, the Omniture subdomain, 192.168.112.2O7.net, seemed to have been disguised by using a capital letter "O" in "2O7" to be mistaken for an internal IP address.

Also in December came the revelation from Computer Associates anti-spyware researcher Benjamin Googins that accepting Sears.com's invitation to join their free "My SHC Community" resulted in tracking software quietly being loaded on the user's computer. Not only did the software track all Internet traffic including secure sessions, it transmitted the data to a domain owned by ComScore, a market research firm that distributes programs identified as spyware by CA and many other security product vendors.

So what are Adobe and Sears up to? Even now it's not entirely clear, but so far certainly the Sears case is the one that has the most serious privacy implications. Spyware expert Ben Edelman followed up Googins' report with an analysis of how difficult the Sears site's "Privacy Policy and ULA" makes it for customers to understand the massive amount of tracking the software does and then the discovery that a related Sears site makes it far too easy to access any customer's purchase history.

Retracing Edelman's steps this week, I see that Sears has now changed the Privacy Policy and ULA shown to SHC Community invitees by adding a new introductory paragraph that specifies their software "monitors all of the Internet behavior that occurs on the computer on which you install the application." But it still contains terms that are generally found only in spyware EULAs, such as restrictions on how you can remove the software and a restriction that you not be employed or related to any employee of "an unaffiliated market research company." (Confusingly, going to the SHC Community Privacy Policy tab if you haven't accepted the cookie from Sears' online invitation shows you only a much shorter privacy document without any of the spyware terms.) Sears still seems to believe it gave customers adequate notice of the tracking but has promised it will do a better job in the future.

Like Sears, Adobe also promises to make things more clear, and certainly what's been learned about the Adobe situation is much more innocuous. This week Adobe posted a Technote acknowledging the issue and saying they will work with Omniture "to assign more standard hostnames that do not give rise to such confusion." And an Adobe product manager who has been blogging on the issue says that the 2O7 code was inherited in the Macromedia merger and no one really knows what it was for. In any case, Omniture has been using similar subdomains for a number of its customers for many years, and is apparently preparing a new privacy policy to explain it all.

So perhaps all will be made clear in the end, but I doubt it. After all, what these two incidents really share is the fact that two big-name vendors contracted with two firms that are in the business of tracking you without you noticing. And Adobe isn't Omniture's only customer, and ComScore does business with others besides Sears. And even if you think you know what the privacy policies are of all the vendors who might be watching you, you don't know what those policies will be tomorrow. Indeed, for all of spyware terms in Sears' policy, I think the privacy language that bothered me the most was the privacy policy Adobe's Technote references, not because it's at all unusual but because it's the very first thing the policy says:

"Please note that the practices of Adobe Systems Incorporated, its affiliates, and agents ... are governed by this online privacy policy ("Privacy Policy") as amended from time to time, and not the privacy policy in effect at the time the data was collected. Please regularly review our Privacy Policy."

In other words, the lesson to be learned here is that what Adobe's stated privacy policies say, what Sears' spyware terms say, and what their partners say at the moment really means nothing. They can and very well might re-write the rules tomorrow on how they treat the information they collected about you yesterday. And the same goes for every other vendor you and I deal with on a daily basis. We simply don't know who is watching how we use our computers, but it's probably best to assume the worst.

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Reason enough not to use Windows[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 09:25:34 AM PDT

Frightening stuff. This is reason enough to use Linux -- if you can't use it exclusively, at least for online access. Use an offline version of Windows behind a firewall and don't use it for web browsing, or Windows in a VirtualBox instance. Anything to keep the Windows instance off the Internet.

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...or any other *nix[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by sremick on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 11:37:57 AM PDT

This is why I'm so anxious to go home after work each day. During the day I have to suffer on a Windows desktop, but once I'm home I can settle in-front of my FreeBSD desktop at which point I don't have to worry about this nonsense for the rest of the evening. No viruses, no spyware, no trojans, and the fun of seeing what new or upgraded software I might be interested in at zero cost.

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I need to try this[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 12:20:08 PM PDT

I wonder if my mortgage company would accept a statement to the effect that the agreement I reached with them may or may not be the agreement to which I will abide and that they should check my web site for changes in terms and conditions?

No? Then why do software vendors get to change terms (that aren't that great to begin with) retroactively?

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2O7.net[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 01:17:14 PM PDT

So I guess I should place:

127.0.0.1 2O7.net

in my hosts file since I use Adobe CS3? That should stop it!

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[OT] hosts file[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by foxyshadis1 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:03:59 AM PDT

That wouldn't work, the hosts file requires the FQDN (ie, including all subdomains).

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I just ran into...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:15:00 AM PDT

I just ran into a 2o7.net address while surfing the Web the other day. Some site was slow loading, so I clicked Adblock to see what third-party cruft it was loading that might be better off vaporized. There in the list was a 2o7.net address, among other stuff from domains other than the site I was browsing. As usual I started by nuking one Javascript at a time and shift-reloading the page until the third-party cruft was gone. I made a point, though, of shoving http://*.2o7.net/* into the blocklist. May not stop software from phoning home to there, but it sure will stop the web bug tracking they're doing from seeing me.

Adblock is very useful not just for actually blocking ads, but tracking bugs and other junk on pages you visit, often responsible for making the page load much more slowly. It can make a big difference both to the speed a site loads at and how much annoying, distracting, or space-wasting clutter you see beside the content you're actually there to read.

It can also block hostile Javascripts of various sorts. The only site I've seen so far that actively blocks Adblock users can be defeated by using TabPermissions to disable meta redirects and Javascript and then visiting it.

The other day I found yet another use: suppressing some sites' attempts to forcibly gather personal data from readers. I was browsing some news site and after two pages ran into a registerwall. When I hit back, strangely enough the pages I'd already read had become login prompts as well. Apparently they had it rigged so you'd read the first two pages of something and then get told to register. This clearly required scripts, instead of a static server-side set of registration-required pages and freely-available ones. So I disabled JS and refreshed the page -- presto, no login prompt, the original content was there again. Then I used view source and found two register.js script file references, threw 'em to Adblock, re-enabled JS, refreshed the page, and still no login prompt. Now I can browse that particular site as I please, without giving them an email address to spam first, or disabling JS entirely, which is a pain. Hallelujah.

(P.S.: Ed here runs a relatively clean site. The only blocked elements showing here are the usual google analytics urchin.js and a hitbox/hbx.js that's obviously also a stat tracker. Hey, I value my privacy.)

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The Walking Wounded[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 06:12:24 PM PDT

This news about Adobe is disturbing indeed, but really, Sears has been death's darling for years. Montgomery Ward learned a tough lesson, and Sears must not have been watching.

I am however, glad that I trashed all of my Microsoft Windows machines in 2002. I really like Ubuntu Linux a lot; so far I have not had any of these problems that seem to be a constant Windows problem.

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Deceptive URL's[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by LasVegan on Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 09:18:07 AM PDT

There can't be a legitimate reason for something like that. You don't stealth things that are innocent. It's possible it's part of an anti-piracy scheme but I wouldn't want to trust it.

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so...what about mac?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:28:23 PM PDT

Several comments about using versions of Linux; just wondering if surfing with a Mac would protect one better from such nefarious intentions.

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Sears Tracking[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jan 16, 2008 at 06:17:52 AM PDT

Sears is going to join Sony as a company I won't do business with. I even went to the Sears site and let them know they were going down the wrong path when the stories on this first started coming out.

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Just another reason to not use Windows[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 06:37:04 AM PDT

As the subject says, to me this is just another reason I do not use Windows or IE. OS/2 shrugs this stuff off and I have Firefox/Seamonkey clear all cookies when closed to foil cookie-based tracking.

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