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HP's $1,000 Latch

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 12:18:26 AM PDT

It's the little things that get you, particularly when it comes to tech support. And when it comes to HP tech support, one reader has just discovered that even the must mundane of problems can cost you unwarranted time and money.


"I recently sent my HP L2005CU 'Lance Armstrong' edition notebook in to be serviced," the reader first wrote me several weeks ago. "It was out of warranty and was going to cost me just over $300, which seemed more I should have to pay for it. The problem was that one of the latches that release the display screen was stuck and unresponsive to the push-button release, making the computer unusable. It seems like a design flaw to me, and I notice that HP has changed the latch release design since. But anyway, when I called their support center, I was told that this was classified as a physical/mechanical malfunction and that the cost for repair for any such malfunction is $300."

Since the laptop was useless as it was, the reader decided to go ahead and send the CPU into HP. "They confirmed in an e-mail that they'd received it and said they'd have it back to me in 10 days," the reader wrote. "The expected return date came and went. A few days before, I had started trying to call to check on the status of the repair. Nobody on their customer service line had any type of 'authority' to help me or give me any answers -- all they could do was 'elevate' the status of my case. Then I checked the status of my account online and saw that the estimated price for the repair had gone from $300 to over $1,000!"

The online status page also contained a message that: "Hewlett-Packard is currently trying to get in touch with you regarding the current status of your order. If we have been unable to reach you, please call us at the customer service phone number listed in the Contact HP section at your earliest convenience." But there had been no sign of anyone from HP trying to contact him, and the customer service phone number provided was the same one he'd been calling without success. For the next several weeks the reader persisted in trying to call or chat online with HP support to find out why this simple latch repair had become such an expensive proposition, but he could get no answers other than more promises to escalate his case to managers he could not speak to.

At this point all the reader wanted was to get his computer back in one piece so he could find someone else who would fix the latch for less than a king's ransom. "I have no idea what to do, or if I am entitled to any compensation for time wasted, phone bills, and any other miscellaneous direct or indirect cost to me," the reader wrote. "I am just trying to find out what is wrong with my computer. And after I hear some ridiculous excuse as to how they can't fix it, and it's not their problem because it's out of warranty, and not apologize for wasting my time and energy, then I just want them to send my computer back in the condition I sent it in, without any other scratches or broken parts."

Realizing he might never get his computer if he continued to deal with HP's offshore support people, the reader finally managed to get through to HP's "Executive Customer Relations" department. But that just began a new cycle of promised return calls that never come. "One service rep did finally agree to help," the reader wrote a few weeks after I'd first heard from him. "She told she would request digital photos from the service center to determine why the computer was 'damaged beyond economic repair.' I received two messages from her over the course of about three weeks. She promised she'd have the photos within 48 business hours, but over 200 business hours have gone by since."

When I heard from the reader last week, there were hopefuls signs that his efforts to call attention to his plight might at last be paying off. "I just wanted to say thank you for your help with my case -- I was contacted yesterday by a different representative from HP. He actually sounded as though he would accomplish something." But even if the reader's ordeal is almost done, and assuming that he eventually gets the latch fixed for less than a $1,000, the cost has still been too high. "A point I emphasize is that it is literally impossible to get anyone pinned down in their ridiculous system and how hopeless you feel when you can't get in touch with anyone. You can tell that they are either ignoring you, or so horribly busy that they can't even take a 30 second break to call and leave you a message on your phone or type you an email. Up until this point, I was a loyal HP customer and even recommended them to friends. That will no longer be the case."

What support nightmares have you had to endure? Tell us about it by posting your comments below or by writing me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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HP...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by TexasTJ on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 05:50:04 AM PDT

...sounds like it's becoming the new Dell in the arena of crappy service.

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Dell's getting better[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by bmeacham on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 01:37:08 PM PDT

Dell is getting better, actually.  Ed mentioned my case a couple of months ago.  I had a Dell laptop battery go bad a week before its warranty expired, but I called it in after the expiry date.  I had to escalate once, and then I got a new battery.  I've always had trouble with HP.

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Sue[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 06:42:40 AM PDT

If it isn't resolved soon, sue. Or perhaps contact your state Attorney General. Arguably, holding your hardware, without explanation, for an extended period of time, all the while avoiding communicating with you, is theft. Certainly it is not legal for them to hold your stuff indefinitely and refuse to communicate with you!

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I had the EXACT same issue with their system[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 07:16:38 AM PDT

I too had the "HP is trying to get in contact with you regarding your order" thing with a warranty battery replacement. (Luckily for me my laptop actually worked.) Just like the writer, nobody at customer service had the least clue what was going on, or what the website was talking about. They wouldn't let me speak to anybody in the warranty parts department; they could only "send messages". After several weeks of back and forth, my warranty parts replacement was simply canceled, with no explanation given. On my next call, my call got escalated to a "Case Manager", who ended up ordering a battery from the HP online store, paying for it with an HP credit card, and having it shipped to me. (The invoice even showed HP paying shipping to itself, and paying sales tax on the part.) His explanation as to why it was canceled was "it was on backorder too long." (No, that doesn't make any sense to me either, as just because HP warranty parts didn't have any doesn't mean I didn't still need one.) I too, wrote in a couple of e-mails, and was promised somebody would figure out what was going on and get back to me. I too, had endless promises of call-backs and returned e-mails. Yeah, it was all useless. The moral of the story is: ask to have the case escalated to a "case manager". And then do what I did: vow to never buy anything from HP ever again, not even an ink cartridge. SirWired

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Looking Good, Not Being Good[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:54:59 AM PDT

"His explanation as to why it was canceled was 'it was on backorder too long.'"

What this says is that HP is boosting its statistics to look good. They want to look like they are providing good service, not actual provide good service. By canceling the order, they stopped the clock on how long it takes to get things fixed. Further, a new ticket means more justification for a claim that they solve x amount of problems.

So x amount of problems fixed within y amount of time is really a fudged number to fool people. And HP seems to implicitly admit that.

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Repair Saga[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 11:58:17 AM PDT

I had a Compaq laptop that would crash if I simply picked it up. If I left on any surface and didn't move it, it was fine. I had seen this problem in a client's ThinkPad and IBM replaced the system board, on-site, the next day. I called HP had to go through the usual tech support script with India. I told him that it was not the hard drive as I had swapped the drive with an identical machine and it worked fine. I sent the machine in. I got it back a week later with a new hard drive and the same problem. So I called HP back went through the entire process again and sent in the laptop. Several days later, I check the site for an update and there was a $295.00 charge on the site for my machine. The machine was under warranty. I called HP and they said I had a non-standard hard drive in the machine and that was why there was the charge for the repair. I told the person to look at the last repair on the machine and to note that the non-standard hard drive had been put in the machine by HP less than a week ago. They dropped the charge and sent the laptop beck with... you guessed it another new hard drive and the same system board. I called HP again and didn't stop until I got to a person with an Australian accent. I explained that it was the system board and not the hard drive. I said the only change I had made in the machine was upgrading the O/S from XP Home to XP Pro. He then commented that the machine may not be certified for XP Pro. That was the last straw. I vented all of my frustration and said that I was sending in the laptop for a new system board and if it came back without one I was going to personally go to Freemont, California and deliver the machine in person to get it repaired correctly. 12 days later, I got the machine back and it worked. I will never but pr recommend Compaq or HP machines again.

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How 1 latch = $1000[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 01:36:10 PM PDT

It's a design flaw.  They have no part numbers for latches - you have to replace the entire display panel.  And we all know how much more $$$ out-of-warranty parts are than the percentage of the part as the unit was purchased... by design.  Problem is, it doesn't foster repeat business...

I have posted before that HP's service/support arm is in the lowest areas of demise, and if they have _any_ hope of staying ahead of Dell in $ales, someone at HP had _better_ sit up, take notice and take action, or they'll be sniffing Dell hiney in that dept again very soon.

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A "Lance Armstrong edition notebook"?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:28:16 AM PDT

Mmmmmm . . . OK. Well, I have used IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads for the last 10 years, and have always received very good service -- in warranty. I think Lenovo service may have slid somewhat from its heyday but I think it is far better than support for any other laptop vendor. For out of warranty service, there are a number of independent service firms you might try. I was actually thinking of switching to an HP laptop -- I guess I won't.

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$300 latch[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by VonSkippy on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:36:47 AM PDT

What a moron, who would pay $300 to fix a stuck latch?  Have you NO technical skills what-so-ever?  Ever hear of MacGyver or Duct Tape?  Laptops are commodity items - once the warranty expires - either fix it yourself, or toss it in the bin and buy another one.

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Gee[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by bwomble on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:26:33 PM PDT

I doubt that he is a moron but I'm 99% sure you are a jerk.

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I wish I had your money[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 02:08:41 AM PDT

Gee. I've had this Acer laptop for almost 4 years now and haven't had any problems with it thus far except for a dead battery. I must be an idiot. Let me throw it under my car and buy a new one.

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$300 for latch[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by griffon327 on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 03:07:36 AM PDT

I found this link while trying to find support for how to fix my DVD drive latch on my Dell Inspiron 1100. I personally do all my own repairs and sending things off for repair even under warranty is something I prefer not to do as I have had my share of difficulty in tech support from all the major companies. In the event I cannot fix the latch I will simply replace the drive from a used one on ebay for anywhere from $15-$60 rather then send it in for repairs even if it was still under warranty. Rather then cry about problems I choose to find a fix and then do it myself. This same lap top was purchased used at less then $90 simply because it had a defective Hard drive and cooling issues from gunk in the heat sink and cooling fins. Presently my DVD drive still works however it will not stay closed and is held in place by 2 rubber bands... This is not a viable option as a repair simply a MacGyver band aid until a replacement.

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Read the article, Dude[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by sconeu on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 11:02:47 AM PDT

It's not a drive, it's the latch that holds the whole laptop closed.

Yes, if you can do your own repairs you should.  Laptops, especially the case, though, are difficult to do so on.

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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Compaq Repairs[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 11:04:47 AM PDT

After poor service experiences with Compaq laptops purchased for my wife and daughter I started buying Toshibas or Sonys. HP support is horrendous! I have used Sony Vaios for years. I had a client who's Sony needed repair - just barely out of warranty. Not only did they ship a carton out to return the laptop safely in (at no charge), they called upon receipt of the laptop and true to their word it was repaired and shipped in three business days. Even though it was three months out of warranty they repaired it no charge. My own laptop needed a system board and I received the same, personal treatment.

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Sony's[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by rrosen on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 01:42:37 PM PDT

That's interesting. We had a problem with a Sony Vaio (the clip holding the modem jack in the case broke). Sony told us to get it fixed it would have to be shipped to Japan (at our expense) and would take 8-12 weeks. Bought a PCMCIA modem and never bought another Sony.

On the other hand, our IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad service experiences have all been good.

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Livestrong notebook[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 11:15:35 AM PDT

The hinge area of my lid cracked. I glued an aluminum extrusion along the area. It fixed the cracks and makes the laptop easier to grab. Moral? Fix it yourself if you can.

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Try this[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 11:43:37 AM PDT

A few years ago I was having a terrible time with HP and their Enterprise class products (Unix servers, high end storage...). There was an "Email Carly" link on their web site and I used it. For all her misteps and faults, some one from Carly Fiorina's office called me. They even tracked me down at home and I don't think I gave them my home phone number. Try this: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html It is a link to email Mark Hurd, Chairman, CEO and President of HP. While I wouldn't wait for him to reply, a flood of emails to this address might stir things up a little.

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Hmm, I have the same system and guess what?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:56:23 PM PDT

Mine just turned itself off about a week ago and wouldn't turn back on. I too was offered the $300.00 send it in option but, I opted to take to someone I trust first. It would only be $60.00 to have a look. I have a Dell Inspiron 3000 laptop purchased circa 1999; still runs through two operating system upgrades from Windows 98 through Windows 2000. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 laptop purchased circa 2000; still runs through two Win32 operating system upgrades and one change over to a Linux OS distribution. I have this same HP L2005cu laptop purchased July 2006; system ceased to function two months out of warranty. Tim Andaya

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HP Service[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by itmhq on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:11:30 AM PDT

I have gone through similar ordeals with every HP product I've purchased over the past 3 years. And I mean EVERY product, not every time a product had a problem. I have not bought anything from them that did not have a problem, and, as the tale of the latch demonstrates, their customer service is non existent. All you can do is pray your call goes to Canada instead of India. The folks in Canada are top notch, really helpful, and follow up to be sure you are satisfied. Unfortunately there is no way to be sure your call goes there. Bottom line, I've purchased my last HP product. I would not even consider using them if they gave me the products for free -- there is just too much down time trying to keep the machines on line. Lo how the mighty have fallen . . .

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Thank you[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 11:27:31 AM PDT

I've been researching to buy a laptop. I just crossed HP out of my list of brands.

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HP Gone for me too[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 12:44:56 PM PDT

I used to be an HP bigot and was on the Board or Directors for an HP User's group. In those days they could do no wrong. Service was incredible and highly personal. Then, in the early 1980s, things began to slide. This slippery slope for HP seems to be getting worse over time. I bought a great HP4100DTN laser printer several years ago and just had the rollers serviced for the first time. Great printer! Well designed! Designed functions are well thought out and reliable! But, never again with HP...unless they can demonstrate several years of reliability for their new products AND service.

When shopping for a wide format ink jet printer a few months ago, I had only one question for HP Sales Support: Do your ink jet printer cartridges still have a timed expiration on them regardless of amount of ink left in the cartridges? When I received a "yes", it was easy to say thank you and move on to evaluating the next printer. I eventually spent $3,000 for a wide format Epson and am quite pleased with it. HP could have had that sale but they have chosen to not compete for my money any more.

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HP Support[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 11:02:26 AM PDT

After reading all of the negative input about HP, I just want to provide some positive feedback. I bought a HP desktop about 18 months ago but after using it for a few days, I was unhappy with the monitor. I called and received competent help but still didn't like the monitor so I returned the system. About a week later, I received a follow up call asking about whether or not I have resolved my problem. Last November, I bought a new HP M7690y. It worked fine for awhile but developed a problem with the DVD drive. After two calls and trying the suggested actions, HP sent a representative out to my home to replace the drive. Everything has been working well since. Competent help in both circumstances.

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HP Product Support[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 05:57:57 PM PDT

I've found my blood pressure zoom when dealing with the audio response system. Just try to communicate "XB3000 expansion base" in my best Texas twang. I usually get something back like "You are saying storage....". I got in the first time by somehow identifying a printer then got routed back to the US to an office that was closed for the day. I tried again using the model name for my laptop. I was able to get the parts exchanged -- but the expansion base was in worse shape than the one I returned. I'm waiting for the time to go through the routine again to return the bad one for a new one. I read somewhere that another customer went through four units before they got one that worked. I wonder how one returns their purchase??

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Hp Products?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by griffon327 on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 03:22:01 AM PDT

Wow... was researching for a fix on my dell laptop dvd drive latch when I came upon this thread and while I have used HP printers flawlessly over the last decade or so without incident I am glad that I never invested in one of their PC's. I thought dell was a problem when I would have to have them switch techs 3-4 times on a service call in order to get someone on the line who not only spoke English but had more technical knowledge then me as all the others would keep asking me to do things and try things that I did days before. once took me 45 minutes to convince the technician that the video card in my machine made by dell was in fact an MSI product and he had to locate an internal memo in order to verify that although dell said the video card would not support HDTV it in fact would all I needed was to remove the Dell drivers and use Nvidia drivers... Tech support is over rated.

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HP was bad to me too.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by bmeacham on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 01:45:23 PM PDT

Ed helped me out with an HP problem a couple of years ago.  They sent my Compaq laptop back without its battery cover!  And then I could not get anyone to send me one.  After Ed posted my plight (I had found a battery cover on eBay), an HP rep called me and paid me what I had paid on eBay.  I went through torture with HP for two weeks.  Never again.

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cheap solution?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by smyran on Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 10:24:38 AM PDT

I can open my dell laptops with a credit card. Does that not work with HP laptops?

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