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Are Unfair Takedowns Becoming EBay's Trademark?

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:39:27 AM PDT

We've had quite a few stories here (see "Embroidery Piracy and EBay/PayPal Privacy" for example) about abuses of the power EBay's Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) programs gives vendors to arbitrarily take down auctions. But while most of those stories have involved takedowns over alleged copyright infringement, one reader's recent experience suggests that trademark claims might be an area where the abuses are even more troubling.


"I recently listed some Don Ed Hardy T-shirts and hats on EBay," the reader wrote. "Within four hours they were all taken down, and within eight hours my EBay account was suspended. I received an e-mail from EBay saying they had been taken down because VeRO member 'Nervous Tattoo, Inc., dba Don Ed Hardy,' had claimed that my items were counterfeit."

The reason the reader was relatively certain that she was selling authentic Don Ed Hardy merchandise was that, as a military family member, she had purchased the clothing through the local PX. "What is important here is that my items are all 'Brand New With Tags.' We live in an area where the Ed Hardy brand is not that well known, so I was able to get them at a clearance price. I have the receipt, and I purchased them from a huge, very reputable company called AAFES (Army Air Force Exchange Services). Most people in the military know these stores as the BX or PX. AAFES have over 12,000 stores worldwide and directly serves the United States military. This was the company that Nervous Tattoo, a big Hollywood outfit, was claiming sold me counterfeit goods."

As with all of EBay's VeRO notices, the reader was told that her only recourse if she thought the takedown was a mistake was to contact the intellectual property owner who had made the claim. So she wrote to the Nervous Tattoo "fraud" department and attempted to persuade them with the receipt, detailed pictures of the merchandise with the AAFES tags still clearly attached, and an e-mail from AAFES headquarters confirming the merchandise was authentic. But the folks at Nervous Tattoo seemed uninterested in determining whether the goods were actually counterfeit. Instead, all of her very polite queries to the Don Ed Hardy fraud staff received terse, nasty responses accusing her, AAFES, and basically anyone else selling their merchandise on EBay of being crooks.

While the reader wanted to get her auctions reinstated, her bigger concern was getting the suspension of and black marks against EBay account removed. "I have been with EBay for over eight years with thousands of all positive feedback reports -- not one neutral, not one negative," she wrote. "I have worked very hard for a long time to maintain my feedback rating. I am an honest person and I have done nothing wrong. I feel like my legs have been kicked out from underneath me."

As she began the process of getting EBay to reinstate her account - which includes having to take a condescending online tutorial on intellectual property and swearing that you'll never be bad again - the reader also was able to contact with other EBay sellers whose Don Ed Hardy auctions had been taken down. "Some sellers who had not yet actually sold any Don Ed Hardy goods were told by the fraud department that 'test purchases' had proven their goods were counterfeit," the reader wrote. "Some were told that it didn't matter they could prove their merchandise was authentic - Don Ed Hardy would continue to take down their listings via VeRO by citing 'violation of a trade agreement' between the company and its distributors. And all were threatened as I was with trademark litigation that could result in treble damages, paying their legal costs, etc."

Our reader was not inclined to put up with any such nonsense, and contacted everyone she could think of to get the nervy Nervous Tattoo folks to back down. "I have filed several formal complaints with agencies here and in California where Don Ed Hardy is located," she wrote. "I also contacted the Public Citizen organization which has done a lot of work in this area. In addition to that, I tried contacting Mr. Henry Mandell, the president of Don Ed Hardy, on several occasions to respectfully ask that they remove any black marks against me with EBay. I did reach one Ed Hardy sales representative who admitted the items were made for AAFES 'off price' and were indeed authentic. But the 'fraud department' continued to say they would not allow me to list my items again."

Perhaps it was just the cumulative effect of all the steps she took, but ultimately the reader did succeed in finding a Nervous Tattoo official who acknowledged the authenticity of the merchandise and permitted her auctions to proceed. But the reader certainly remains unsettled by the experience, particularly how EBay leaves those falsely accused of trademark infringement to beg for mercy from their accusers. "One thing I learned in this situation is that the counternotice provisions in DMCA takedowns don't work for trademark infringement accusations," the reader wrote. "With trademark law, the burden of proof seems to lie more with the accused than the accuser. This whole thing should have never happened, but it just seems that with EBay a VeRO member can claim counterfeit any time they want as many times as they want with no repercussions whatsoever."

It's pretty scary to think there are actually circumstances where one would be better off if the DMCA applied, but that does seem to be the case here. Of course, it's certainly true that trademark holders like Don Ed Hardy/Nervous Tattoo suffer from the sale of truly infringing products on EBay and elsewhere online all the time. But there needs to be some sort of balance that prevents trademark holders from abusing the system just because online sellers of authentic goods may be undercutting their price. Otherwise, EBay may find its brand standing for unfair takedowns in all our minds.

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And so it continues[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by James Farmer on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 02:05:52 AM PDT

The market economy is dead; capitalism now is about cutting off the little guy to strengthen existing market dominance, not the competition on price or quality that made the capitalist system better than its rivals.

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Selling AAFES purchases for profit...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 08:20:41 PM PDT

Apparently no one noticed the fact that it is against military regulations to buy goods from the BX and sell it for a profit.... We call that "black market" and it is cause for losing shopping privileges at the BX...

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did you read all the posts?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 06:48:11 AM PDT

Apparently, you didn't read all the posts. That issue has been addressed.

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Are Unfair Takedowns Becoming EBay's Trademark?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#46)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 04:47:32 PM PDT

Thank you for a great article.  I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the Ebay seller, Tabberone.  She has fought this battle against a number of companies, including Disney, M&M Mars, MLB and a host of others.  

Take a look at her website.

http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/trademarks.html

Its a wonderful read!

Thanks again, great article.

NurseRobert

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Since it's your online reputation here...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 08:37:43 AM PDT

Wouldn't there be some sort of recourse in a slander/libel lawsuit against EBay and the accuser? If you can prove that you are not a counterfeiter or thief in a court of law, what does that do to people deliberately ruining your reputation in business with provably baseless accusations?

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How many laws are they breaking?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 09:11:50 AM PDT

Probably can't get them for slander/libel unless they publicly posted your name as a counterfeiter. However, I think you could have ground for rackettering, illegal business practices, and intimidation... Perhaps the vendor needs to start shipping their shirts with an End User Agreement that prohibits reselling the shirts :)

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RE: How many laws are they breaking?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 11:06:51 AM PDT

However, they do publish publically to your profile the negative points and remarks. SO libel may be actionable.

I've not read a ToS for EBay lately, so there may be a clause in it that mitigates taking any recourse  against them for this type of feedback.


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Clause[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:03:20 PM PDT

Any such clause still leaves Nervous Tattoo wide open to a lawsuit though.

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Loss of business opportunities is actionable.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by richard233 on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 10:27:46 AM PDT

If you can show that someone knowingly made false statements to a third party (Ebay) which results
in a negative impact (loss of business opportunities) you can likely prevail in court and recieve damages.

Once the company acknowledged the items as authentic and legally obtained, any attempts to stop you from selling them are actionable.

In other words, unless the person who sold you the items had an obligation to have you agree to not resell the items, you have the legal right to sell those items.

The 'Fraud department' knowingly preventing sales by falsely stating that the items are not real can indeed be sued for damages relating to losses incurred from those false statements.

The question is, is it worth the time and legal expenses involved? Get a lawyer to do it on a contingency basis where they only get paid if they get a judgment.
It might be worth doing just for the principal, but that's up to you.

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This is like repairing credit report or identity[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 10:56:45 AM PDT

In 10 seconds, a black mark on your credit rating propogates around the world. We've all read the stories about identity theft. Why does it takes days and days of hard work to laboriously contact every insitution one and a time and prove your innocence and fight to get the blemish removed? But all the bad news seems to accepted withtout question. The obvious answer in those cases is that it's a defense. Accepting the "bad news" protects the banks, stores, and credit card companies from the risk of doing business with you. But anyone could claim to be innocent and honest, so they are more motivated to assume your guilt than your honesty. This was a great though painful story to read. It does seem to be inherently unjust in that the claims of infringement do not need to be substantiated. I can understand eBay acting promptly and putting the sale on hold. If they didn't the items would sell and it'd be too late. But if the claim cannot be supported with facts the person's account should remain pristine. And if facts are presented later, eBay should restore the account to it's prior good standing.

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Fake Goods[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 11:19:29 AM PDT

I would file suit against the company for "Restraint of Trade". There is no provision in law that prevents a person from selling trademarked goods they have purchased. It seems that this "takedown" allows trademark holders to prevent sale of otherwise legit items that might compete on price. I'm sure the state AG of California might be interested since both Ed Hardy and eBay have offices here. This is clearly "Restraint of Trade". If it crosses state lines the FTC might be interested. tech

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And the defending lawyers would say...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 11:36:50 AM PDT

I'm sure the Ed Hardy and eBay lawyers would say, "She was allowed to proceed with the sale.  We acted in good faith, investigated and released the hold."

Now she has to prove that she was damaged.  As previously mentioned, she was probably not damaged enough to justify the suit.

This is where punitive damages come into play.  In general I am not a fan of them, but they do have a place.  Each individual suffers minimal harm.  But the practices and policies that lead to situations like this are "just plain wrong" (not a legal phrase I'm sure), so you win your $10,000 and then the court adds on a huge punitive settlement to "teach the company a lesson" and encourage them to change their ways.

I think that punitive damages are overused and used to bully business for many reasons beyond the scope of this topic, but this could be an example of a valid use of that tool.  Maybe.  But then you have to argue the amount...

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I don't think so.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 11:25:58 AM PDT

I think there's a better course of action for eBay that satisfies everyone's needs in the CYA department.

When a claim of infringement/counterfeit goods is made, instead of immediately canning an auction, possibly suspending an account, and possibly putting a black mark on a seller, eBay suspends the one auction with a message "Suspended pending verification of authenticity", takes no other actions, and waits until the seller and whoever claims infringement supply evidence or come to an agreement. THEN, IF the goods are determined to be phony (the seller in particular can't prove they're genuine, AND the other guy has actual evidence that they're fake), the auction goes down and the seller may be sanctioned. But IF the goods are determined to be real, nothing happens.

Or better yet, if baseless VeRO complaints occur, the complainant gets a black mark on a record eBay keeps about them. Many unfounded complaints result in future complaints from the same company being taken less seriously, or requiring more stringent evidence to convince eBay to take any action on those complaints.

Right now, their knee-jerk reaction is "the seller is guilty until proven innocent", but that's not required for CYA purposes; suspending the auction pending a decision to either resume or actually cancel it would still prevent the suspect goods from selling unless they were determined to be legit.

So why doesn't eBay do all that? It may be more work for them, but it may also improve their own reputation, which is flagging, and increase their transaction volume, which they monetize.

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Thowing the baby out with the bath water[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 11:43:52 AM PDT

I agree that eBay's VERO program takes draconian measures. A client of mine who runs an eBay consignment shop (40,000+ closed auctions) recently ran afoul of them when he listed some samples provided by the company's own U.S. distributor. At the end of the fashion season they are his to dispose of as he sees fit. Instead of just taking down the 6 auctions, eBay pulled the plug on 250+ auctions, and had my client out of business for 2 weeks, necessitating that he lay-off two employees. eBay provided not so much as a "we think you have a copyright infringement situation here, please take down these auctions" message which he would have done and checked things out with the company filing the complaint. Add to that the black eye he got when he wasn't able to process auctions that had closed just before the suspension - some 70 were stranded and required a lot of work to process payment etc. When eBay removed the suspension they were of no help in restoring the auctions that weren't under question either. So much for Pierre's "community".

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Site defaced![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 11:32:19 AM PDT

ALERT! Ed, the gripe following this one (the EVGA one) has been defaced. When the link for "Full Story" is clicked, the browser spins for an abnormally long time, and when it finally loads the whole gripe, sidebars, Infoworld header, comments, and everything have been replaced with the crypric message "The DB is down" in large bold text. It's the only thing on the defaced page. I assume it's meaningful in the hacker circles whoever did this move in, even if not to us.

You need to get your site's security up to scratch. Probably there's a patch for the vulnerability that got exploited. Make sure the server's operating system, http server software itself, and anything else internet facing is up to date on patches, and that the firewall is configured such that anything used only at the back end is not visible directly on the internet.

Also, I don't know if that was you or the defacer, but somebody has changed the default from "Auto Format" to "HTML Formatted". Please change it back, and avoid changing it thereafter. (Patching your vulnerability should prevent anyone else changing it thereafter.)

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Defacement and default[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:05:37 PM PDT

The default seems to have been changed back to auto format. Thanks for the prompt action. Has the defaced page been restored from backups? Has the vulnerability been patched, or even identified yet? We obviously don't want anything like this to happen again.

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Website Problem[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Ed Foster on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 12:27:03 PM PDT

We have been having a problem with the server hanging since the weekend, and we are still trying to diagnosis what's causing it. How many minutes before you posted this message was it when you encountered the "DB Down" error message? -- Ed

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Eh?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 01:49:22 PM PDT

"Error message"? What I saw was a defaced web page -- completely blanked and replaced with something cryptic. Not a 404, 503, or whatever, or "The server didn't respond" or "The server doesn't exist, make sure you spelled the link correctly", or whatever.

Anyway, I arrived here to read the latest gripe and any new comments on the others currently on the front page. I viewed this gripe, and it behaved normally. I viewed the EVGA gripe and got the defaced version. I returned to this gripe and posted my comment reporting the defacement pretty much immediately (so certainly in under one minute). Then I moved on to the next gripe after the EVGA gripe. The EVGA gripe was the only one affected; I didn't see anything unusual with any of the others.

Given that only the one gripe was affected, and in particular that as it so happens all and only those griping about a specific vendor were affected, my going theory had been that a shill or fanboi, acting with or without said vendor's authorization, had hacked in and deleted the offending gripe.

I'm not sure we're even talking about the same event now. I had been seeing a lot of spurious 503 errors over the preceding few days, and there've been a couple of gripes indicating other people are experiencing them too; perhaps you thought I was referring to that? That wasn't what happened with the EVGA gripe though. Also, the 503 errors affect the whole site, or at least all of the gripe pages, while this affects only the EVGA gripe's page. (Assuming it's still in the abnormal state I saw it in. Has it been restored to normal now? And have any of the comments been lost?)

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Misunderstanding[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by foxyshadis1 on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 11:50:14 PM PDT

DB means Database, so it was just a cryptic standard error message "The database is down", not an actual defacement by some group called DB.

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"Standard"?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#33)
by Anonymous User on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 11:56:08 AM PDT

It was not a standard error message. That would have had a 400-something or 500-something HTTP error number, like the bogus 503 errors that had been occurring at around that time.

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No, you're wrong.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by sconeu on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 05:21:52 PM PDT

A 4xx or 5xx is an error in the server itself.

What you saw (and I got it too, a few times) was an error out of the database backend that maintains the posts.

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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Pardon me.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by sconeu on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 05:22:36 PM PDT

A 4xx or 5xx is an error *FROM* the http server, not *IN* the server.

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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Excuse me[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 09:26:46 AM PDT

There is no need to be hostile or insulting. And the standard behavior of a web server unable to access the back end is to send a 500-series error anyway.

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Excuse me, indeed.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#39)
by sconeu on Tue Jun 19, 2007 at 10:34:31 AM PDT

How was I hostile or insulting?  In addition to discussing what I believed to be the technical aspects of the error, I pointed out that I received it as well, thereby showing (by implication) that it was not aimed specifically at you.

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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Being sneaky?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#41)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 22, 2007 at 10:40:00 PM PDT

The body of your post was perfectly civil, that much is true.

It was the subject line that contained the personal attack.

Just because you put it in the subject line instead of the body doesn't mean it didn't happen. :P

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What?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#42)
by Anonymous User on Sat Jun 23, 2007 at 05:37:41 PM PDT

How is telling you that you're wrong a personal attack? If you had been called blooming idiot... THAT would have been a personal attack.

BTW, you are wrong. Not a personal attack, just the truth.

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Hey jerk! Yes, you![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 12:15:11 PM PDT

It's an accusation of incompetence, moron. Yeah. That's right. Moron. See how you like being insulted in public!

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100% right?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#44)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 02:05:45 PM PDT

So, you're always 100% right? OK? You are delusional.

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You![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#45)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 03:17:10 PM PDT

Stop publicly questioning my intelligence, competence, and mental health or else.

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by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 12:51:36 AM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 12:51:18 AM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 12:48:23 AM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 12:50:31 AM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫