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Paid Verizon Bills Don't Always Stay Paid

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon May 07, 2007 at 09:42:57 AM PDT

It's a good idea to check your monthly phone and Internet bills to make sure the vendor isn't running up too many gratuitous charges. This apparently goes double with Verizon, as two different readers have recently discovered that Verizon's bogus charges can include bills that you've already paid.


"I received my Verizon One Bill statement and noticed it seemed quite a bit larger than usual," wrote one reader. "My bill includes land line, wireless and DSL, and the wireless section had a 'carry forward, pay immediately' charge of $56. I call Verizon Wireless and get the usual drone reading from a script. After 30 minutes of being on hold, I'm told that there was a bill in March 2004 that I didn't pay, and I need to pay it immediately unless I could prove it was paid. Why would I keep three-year-old Verizon bills? I pointed out to the drone that I've been a Verizon wireless customer for 15-plus years, and that before the day is over they'll either realize the stupidity in this billing error or cancel all my Verizon accounts. I can live without a phone and Internet, it's not like Verizon's the electric company. Next I'm handed to a supervisor, who basically says the same things. I tell her I'm going to go eat dinner, if she can get approval to remove this silly charge, great. If not, just cancel my accounts. I get a call in a bit with the solution. Turns out I pay the 'communications' department, which divvies out my money to the three individual entities. Apparently they just forgot to pay the wireless folks in March, 2004."

Since the hard line the reader took with Verizon got the issue resolved fairly quickly, he wasn't going to bother sending in the gripe until he thought about it some more. "The reason I sent it was because of the stories we hear of older people just paying something like this without thinking to question it. The more I thought about this happening to others, the more disturbing it became. It's a cynical world."

Sure enough though, just days later I heard from another reader who had just had an oddly similar experience with Verizon. "When my wife and I returned from a long vacation she thought that her account balance with Verizon Wireless was too large," the second reader wrote. "She always makes our payment for our two lines and text messaging at the Verizon kiosk, and she had paid the last $86 bill before we went on vacation. I logged into to our account online and saw it was showing a negative payment of $86 in the payments history. When I called about it, the Verizon rep sidestepped for a while until she finally told me that my wife's payment had been deducted as it was really a payment made by someone else who notified Verizon that he'd mistakenly filled in my account number on a form."

That this supposed other customer happened to pay the exact amount owed by the reader that month didn't seem to strike the Verizon representatives as an unlikely coincidence. "I went down to the local Verizon center where I was sure I would get my money back. When I arrived early in the morning, the customer rep informed me that I needed to take my place in the queue by entering my name, phone number, (and decline the offer of e-mail specials) into one of their many conveniently located kiosks. After I had done that, since I was the only one in the queue, the rep told me I could proceed to her station and explain my problem. After explaining my problem to her, she dials Verizon customer service on her telephone and hands it to me, and I proceed to explain my problem a third time, and I get the same story. After arguing for at least 15 minutes that they had effectively reached into my pocket and taken my money, they told me that a supervisor would get back to me in an hour."

After the reader returned home, he received the call from the supervisor with whom he had to go through the same arguments all over again. "After that I gave up, saying they can keep my money as Verizon obviously needs it more than I do. I'm loath to call them again for the sake of my own health, as they'll no doubt just take the same tack. They said they would credit us the money when I produce the receipt, but my wife of course had tossed it out by this time. I felt it wrong that they did not feel it necessary to show me any proof of their story, yet it was incumbent on me to show my proof. Of course, I'm sure their rights were well protected by the voluminous contract I had to sign in blood. I just think their software glitched and the 'other payment' overwrote mine in their database, or worse, there isn't another payment and they know it."

I guess if there's a moral to this story, it's that if you must deal with Verizon, check those bills closely, and make sure you keep your old receipts as well. There's just no telling when Verizon might decide that they enjoyed getting your payment so much that they'd like to get it again.

Too many gratuitous charges on one of your monthly bills? Tell us about it by posting your comments below, calling the Gripe Line voice mail at 1 888 875-7916 or writing me at Foster@gripe2ed.com or phone.

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PSC[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by KSalstrom on Mon May 07, 2007 at 11:21:10 AM PDT

A friend of mine works for Verizon and says that management hates it when people contact the Public Service Comission.

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Always pay by check![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by benttop on Mon May 07, 2007 at 06:21:01 PM PDT

I've had my round of online paying, and you can have it. When I pay by check, I have a copy, and the bank does too, and I can prove who cashed it. Works every time. How long till they outlaw checks?

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Byebye cheques[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by James Farmer on Tue May 08, 2007 at 02:16:02 AM PDT

There was an item on the news a couple of weeks ago about banks trying to phase out cheques. I reckon it won't be long now. Come to think of it, I opened a new current account a couple of months ago and had to explicitely request a cheque book, and it still hasn't arrived. Time to go chase them I think...

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Checks[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by tcsbiz on Tue May 08, 2007 at 07:36:40 AM PDT

If you open a new account, the institution tries to push debit cards instead of checks. My current credit union wants to phase checks out within 2 years.

Tom.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 01:39:01 AM PDT

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Receipts?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by LasVegan on Tue May 08, 2007 at 08:22:15 AM PDT

When you pay on-line your bank still has a record of the transfer with the name of the payee on it. I've also found an advantage to automatic electronic payments--the one time I had a problem with one I pointed out it was automatic and there was plenty of money in the account. Therefore any problems were from their end. It was their problem, they reversed the late fee and interest fast enough that I know they didn't check what I told them--it would have taken longer to listen to the tape than it took them to decide I was right.

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Here's another possibility[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by CowboyinBRLA on Tue May 08, 2007 at 01:20:16 PM PDT

It's possible someone working at the Verizon kiosk fraudulently made the change-- as in, pulled the credit from the customer's account and credited it to his or her own Verizon account because of the "mistaken" account number. You pay a bill in cash, the counter person enters it, gives you a receipt, reverses the credit and re-applies it to his own account. Or keeps the cash.

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Fair Credit Billing Act[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by emeryjay on Tue May 08, 2007 at 01:50:55 PM PDT

I know it is a pain to write a letter. Under terms of the federal Fair Credit Billing Act, if you write disputing a bill, the company must respond to you in writing. They have up to 90 days to respond... but it is a big hammer hanging over their heads -- particularly when you complain to higher ups about slow replies. Officers of companies hate hearing that underlings have violated the law.

You can also file a complaint online with the Federal Trade Commission. All complaints are assigned a case number and get replies. It really hurries people up at the upper level when you complain about poor service and reference a Federal Trade Commission complaint number in your letter.

And during the dispute period, they can't report anything to your credit bureau. It's illegal.

The Public Service Commission angle is a good one too. When rate request time rolls around, some states count the number of complaints and use a formula in determining rate increases.

Some states even count unjustified complaints against companies. It may take a while -- what goes around comes around. And to make it come around, learn how to complain effectively.

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KEEP YOUR VERIZON RECEIPTS FOR 1000 YRS!!![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 11, 2007 at 10:43:53 AM PDT

In 2003 I had a home phone disconnected with Verizon. I owed a balance. In 2005 I re-hooked my home phone up, and paid off the bal. In fact the Verizon rep told me to hang on to the receipt for 3 months so there would be no question. I did exactly that. No problems till I went to hook up my business phone. Verizon sent me a letter stateing that I owed 412.00 for a home phone from 2003. I contacted Verozon and stated to them that that bill had been paid 3 years ago and at that time they hooked my home phone up at that time. The rep told me on the phone that don't wory about it that "Verizon does this all the time"..So, I said then I can disreguard this amount of 412.00 then? NO, she said you still have to pay this. I went round and roudn with Verizon reps and even got to person that handles unresolved disputes. No luck there eather. I contacted The Michigan Public Service Commission and they tried calling Verizon for me. Verizon then quickly called me back and said they would investigate this futher. Verizon told the Commission that at the time of my home instillation their "computer system was down" {a big fat lie} and couldn't verify if I had a bill at that time. The also said that the rep that set up the connection order noted on the computer that their system was down at the time.. {how can you hook up a phone with no computer?}. The Commission is now filing a formal complaint I will be receiving the papers in the mail shortly. To make a long story short. Watch out for Verizon digging up old bills from years ago {they know you won't have the receipt anymore}and tring to get some more money out of you. This is a game they play with average people who might not fight them and pay anyway. Well not me!!!!! and you should't be taken by this eather. In closing keep ALL VERIZON RECEIPST FOR 1000 YEARS.

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Check with your bank[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by mklange on Tue May 08, 2007 at 02:34:06 PM PDT

The second reader indicated he gave up because his wife tossed the receipt. The bank should also have a record of a debit that went to Verizon. That record, along with a copy to the Public Utilities Commission should solve the problem quite nicely.

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But...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by CowboyinBRLA on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:47:10 AM PDT

Again, this assumes the wife didn't pay the bill with cash. A lot of people who pay bills in person still do that... and a receipt is the only way to prove it.

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Haha paying in cash - so old-fashioned[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by DavidBSpalding on Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 04:28:56 PM PDT

I guess there's one less Verizon customer who pays in cash at the kiosk! :D

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Verizon Pay by credit card[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by imindel on Wed May 09, 2007 at 05:26:44 AM PDT

I set up my Verizon account to automatically pay each month by credit card. Besides the obvious convenience, I have the credit card company to vouch for the payment, and act as an intermediary in case of dispute. Also, I can always "challenge" any over-payments to the credit card company. Also I check EVERY monthly bill from Verizon, because periodically they try to "sneak in" some extra charge or another. In that case a simple phone call usually works to get the charge removed (well not really simple, if you consider the obnoxious phone tree and waiting on hold time).

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Verizon is famous for billing errors[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Fri May 11, 2007 at 09:12:38 AM PDT

Four years ago Verizon started to give me problems with billing errors, which were always to their advantage. After a year of fighting against various errors and poor customer service I fired them and went to a competitor. I was a happy Verizon customer for several years, but suddenly their billing and customer service departments went to crap. I am happy with T-Mobile and haven't had any problems yet.

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Receipts[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Rey on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:14:09 AM PDT

Since 1967 we've kept EVERY receipt for EVERY expenditure over $10. Time and again we've needed them, sometimes years later. As it happens, the storage carton we save the annual accordian file in holds ten accordian files. Each year we empty the oldest and store the newest, so we have on hand ten years of receipts. This is virtually no work at all, but Oh! the work it saved when we needed a receipt and knew where it was.
Rey in Virginia
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Such dedication[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Mon May 21, 2007 at 12:57:03 PM PDT

"Since 1967 we've kept EVERY receipt for EVERY expenditure over $10."

Wow, what dedication! But we shouldn't all be expected to put in that kind of effort -- the whole point of mass-market transactions is supposed to be to minimize transaction costs, not make them enormous. (And any time and effort spent tracking a receipt for the next forty years counts as part of the cost of a transaction.)


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But for whom?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by sconeu on Mon May 21, 2007 at 03:06:44 PM PDT

the whole point of mass-market transactions is supposed to be to minimize transaction costs

Yes, to minimize transaction costs... for the seller

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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Not just for the seller.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 04:19:26 PM PDT

For everyone. (The seller will pass on their costs to the consumer anyway.)

The problem being that higher prices for goods (even hidden costs, such as, say, and time and effort spent keeping track of the receipt for the next several decades) translate into reduced consumer buying and lower sales volumes. Stockholders hate to see lower sales volumes. Worse, consumer costs that aren't in the sale price, such as ongoing management of the receipt or other data after the purchase, count in lowering the quantity consumers buy but don't count in revenue for the seller.

Suppose the effective cost of this extra work for a consumer is $1, over the expected duration. A consumer with $330 may be willing to buy ten $30 items (rather than 11). To the consumer, these items effectively cost $330; the seller only sees $300. This is as opposed to the seller raising the price a buck. By forcing the consumer to keep the receipts for an insane length of time, they get all the worst effects of bumping the price up to $31 in reduced demand without getting any of the benefits in the form of an extra buck of revenue here and there! That looks like a foot bullet. If doing right by the consumer costs more than $1 per purchase without the requirement, it may still make sense, but an easy way to do right by the consumer basically for free is just to allow returns for a while for virtually any reason, given that the returned item was sold by you. That only requires tracking the serial numbers so you can confirm the item was sold by you, and doesn't require any work on the consumer's part save to avoid damaging the part of the object that has the serial number on it. Putting the number where it's hard for this to occur makes sense, or even something that functions in the role of a receipt embedded into the object. Now the worst case scenario is that a customer spends $50, holds onto your inventory for a bit, returns it, and you got a nearly-free loan of $50 for some period, or something like that. (Of course, if they trash something and then return it that's another matter. Usually that voids any refund though.)

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 01:36:41 AM PDT

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Verizon Mis-communications[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by bsweeney on Mon May 21, 2007 at 08:39:08 PM PDT

I think that would be appropriate branding. As you can guess I've had my own problems with the big V.

For a few years I was a Verizon Business DSL customer. At the end of my relationship with them I made a stupid mistake and forgot to update my credit card info after it changed. For three months after that I was using the service without paying.

Now, I freely admit it was my mistake. But Verizon compounded the error by never actually telling me I had not paid my bill. Before you ask, since I was doing direct-pay via credit card I didn't receive monthly statements.

As a business customer I expected at the very least to get a "So ... you gonna pay your bill?" phone call or letter or even e-mail. Never happened. I even had occasion to call Verizon tech support a few times because there were problems with my connection. Never said a word.

Eventually my service was disconnected. I called and still nobody could tell me anything. After four days on the phone with representatives from customer service and billing I finally got someone who was able to tell me what happened. The worse part was that not only had my service been disconnected, my account had been completely deactivated. This apparently meant I would have to go through the whole set-up process again ... taking at least two weeks.

Since then I've avoided using Verizon (directly) as much as possible. I'm using a regional provider for DSL/phone/long distance service now and have never been happier. Verizon started offering FIOS in my area last year, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I consider it ... no matter how tempting.

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V one bill nightmare that cost me thousands[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:36:57 PM PDT

I moved from Baltimore, called verizon, canceled land line and DSL, little did I know, 1-bill would still pay my wireless account. Later, went to pay my wireless and it was paid by 1-bill still. Called one bill, paid my balance and told them to cancel the 1-bill account. Gave 1-bill my temp address and moved to Phoenix. 4 months later on the DAY of closing, my approved loan was canceled because 1-bill still had a balance and sent a horrible letter and destroyed credit. (FICA from 755 to 640) The 1-bill killer letter just arrived in time to destroy my credit and the loan. I ended up having to get a high interest loan and I am still trying to straighten the credit mess out. (and I paid the balance immediately when I found out). They could have called me or reached me through my Verizon wireless account. The statement to the credit accounts was as nasty as they could be, totally meant to destroy my credit for years.

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Local service only - a Verizon trick[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:39:47 PM PDT

I am an elderly person living on a small income. I signed up with Verizon for local service only. Things were fine at first until a relative staying with me while out of work managed to run up over $300 in long distance calls. How did they do this? Through a 10-10-220 # that is listed on the bill as a separate company. When I called to find out what was going on, I was told that I had not 'blocked' this service - I asked her how I was supposed to know that I had to do that and she didn't have an answer. So beware - signing up for local service only doesn't really mean that. Oh, and guess who owns this 'other company'? Yeah, right, Verizon.

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papeee[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
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by Anonymous User on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 12:37:30 AM PDT

لعبة تسديد ضربات جزاء لعبة تسديد ضربات جزاء لعبة ركل ضربات الجزاء لعبة ركل ضربات الجزاء لعبة ضربات جزاء كأس العالم لعبة ضربات جزاء كأس العالم لعبة حرب الشوارع لعبة حرب الشوارع لعبة قوة حرب الشوارع لعبة قوة حرب الشوارع لعبة مدينة حرب الشوارع لعبة مدينة حرب الشوارع لعبة بيكهام لعبة بيكهام لعبة تسديدات بيكهام لعبة تسديدات بيكهام لعبة مطاردة بيكهام لعبة مطاردة بيكهام لعبة كاس العالم لعبة كاس العالم لعبة كاس العالم للمحترفين لعبة كاس العالم للمحترفين لعبة مستقبل كاس العالم لعبة مستقبل كاس العالم لعبة ركن السياراة لعبة ركن السياراة لعبة تنظيم ركن السياراة لعبة تنظيم ركن السياراة لعبة ركن السياراة الحديثة لعبة ركن السياراة الحديثة لعبة تاكسي لعبة تاكسي لعبة تاكسي الممتعة لعبة تاكسي الممتعة لعبة تاكسي الركاب لعبة تاكسي الركاب لعبة دراغون بول لعبة دراغون بول لعبه بوش السكران يرقص لعبه بوش السكران يرقص لعبة بوش السكران يسقط لعبة بوش السكران يسقط لعبة دراغون المقاتل لعبة دراغون المقاتل لعبة دراغون المحارب لعبة دراغون المحارب لعبة الذهب لعبة الذهب لعبة تجميع الذهب لعبة تجميع الذهب لعبة اخذ الذهب لعبة اخذ الذهب لعبة منجم الذهب لعبة منجم الذهب لعبة التنس طاولة لعبة التنس طاولة لعبة التنس الرهيبة لعبة التنس الرهيبة لعبة التنس لعبة التنس لعبة هوكي الجليد لعبة هوكي الجليد لعبة اهداف هوكي الجليد لعبة اهداف هوكي الجليد لعبة فريق هوكي الجليد لعبة فريق هوكي الجليد لعبة سونيك الجديد لعبة سونيك الجديد لعبة سونيك الطائر لعبة سونيك الطائر لعبة سونيك الشهيرة لعبة سونيك الشهيرة لعبة سونيك لتوصيل الطلبات لعبة سونيك لتوصيل الطلبات لعبة تقشير البطاطا لعبة تقشير البطاطا لعبة تقشير وتحضير الطعام لعبة تقشير وتحضير الطعام لعبة مدي الحياة لعبة مدي الحياة لعبة صناديق مدي الحياة لعبة صناديق مدي الحياة لعبة دمار لعبة دمار لعبة تدمير الطائرات لعبة تدمير الطائرات لعبة دمار بالمينا لعبة دمار بالمينا لعبة دمار المبني لعبة دمار المبني لعبة دمار دبابات لعبة دمار دبابات لعبة دراجات روعة لعبة دراجات روعة لعبة دراجات الموت لعبة دراجات الموت لعبة دراجات الموت الخطيرة لعبة دراجات الموت الخطيرة لعبة دراجات مثيرة لعبة دراجات مثيرة

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