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An HP Support Nightmare and Customer Recourse

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue May 22, 2007 at 12:23:46 AM PDT

Today's gripe is a tale about HP and the grueling support gantlet a reader and her son were forced to run to get a broken computer fixed. But I want to emphasize that it could just be easily about Dell, because we've certainly had similar stories about them. Or Gateway ... except if it were Gateway, we probably would not have as happy an ending as we can relate here.


At the end of March the reader began copying me on e-mail she was exchanging with HP support concerning an HP Pavilion 6000 notebook her son had ordered in December. "My son saved his money for a year and a half to buy a computer," the reader wrote. "He waited by the door for it to arrive for two weeks. But there was something wrong with it. It flashed on and off and had green lines running across the screen. We tried and tried to fix it, were on the phone for hours trying to follow directions and do everything the folks said. Finally, after days and days of trying, they said it was defective and we needed to send it back for service. We tried to return it, but it was a few days after the so very generous 21-day return period given by HP to 'guarantee' the quality of their products."

Three months after they'd purchased it, the computer had been back and forth to HP support and was only the worse for the experience. "We have sent it for repairs and it was returned with the same problem. Not only was it not fixed, they sent it back to us without a battery or cord. To top it off, the computer was beat up while it was gone and is now scratched. Now, I am up to 25 hours on the phone with HP over the last few weeks, trying to get help to actually get the new quality computer we thought we were buying. My son is sick and distraught that he saved for so long for this scratched-up, not-usable computer. What can we do? Nobody will help."

By this time HP's "Total Care" had supposedly escalated the reader's case to the corporate level, but it didn't seem to be making much of a difference. "When we called again, we were told that they hadn't actually changed the LCD screen as their letter to us had stated, so we were going to have to send it in again. More time waiting for another special box to arrive, more time calling HP to see where it is. And again the computer was sent back worse. They couldn't have even turned on the computer without seeing the obvious problems! And again we received a letter, same as the first, claiming that all this stuff had been done. For real this time? I think not."

All the desperate reader and her son wanted now was to be rid of the computer completely and get their money back. "We just want to send this mess back and get a new one. And we don't think we should have to accept a downgraded version of the system we paid for. We have put in hours and hours of our time on this, trying, with no compensation. We just want the quality computer we thought we were buying, not a defective, rebuilt one. My son has felt so powerless, he has decided to picket HP in front of Staples instead of spending more wasted time on the phone. And he and his friends are making a very entertaining movie to be titled 'True Story: HP Total Don't Care' which will be out soon on YouTube."

Computer support horror flicks? Not a bad idea, actually, although it's a genre that might be a little too scary for some of us. Still, when you're stuck with a lemon of a computer, anything you can do to call attention to your plight and embarrass the vendor is a good thing.

Obviously, contacting the Gripe Line is one of those things you can do. My normal procedure when I get a gripe from someone in really desperate straits is to publish it as quickly as possible in the hopes will it spur the vendor into taking corrective action. HP however has always been very helpful in responding to my reader's stories, so I already knew who I could contact there to speed things up for the reader and her son. The same is true of Dell, by the way, as they also always seem willing to look into any cases brought to their attention. But not Gateway, as we saw quite recently (see "A Stray Gateway Lemon"). Some companies are harder to shame than others - just a point to keep in mind the next time you're in the hardware market.

At any rate, my HP contact quickly agreed that something had to be done in this case, and a few days later the reader received a call from an HP executive who was ready to make things rights. On May 11th, five months into their ordeal, the reader wrote me that her son had just gotten his new computer. "He even got some upgrades," she wrote. "He also sent the defective computer back today -- so nice to be rid of it! At the last minute, the monster was still 'alive' -- I snagged myself helping him return it, as the last technician who 'serviced' it had screwed a screw completely through the case/chassis before returning it in 'excellent working condition.' My son and his friends are now happily gaming instead of making movies for YouTube about HP's 'Total Don't Care' ... Thank goodness."

Gee, I love a happy ending. But let's not kid ourselves -- there are more computer horror stories out there than a dozen Ed Fosters could help rectify, even if we did nothing else. Shouldn't computer users have some other recourse when they are stuck with a machine that doesn't work and that they can't get fixed? In my next story we'll talk about that further.

How do you deal with support nightmares? Post your comments below, phone the Gripe Line voice mail at 1 888 875-7916, or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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There is[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by TonyK on Tue May 22, 2007 at 05:41:17 AM PDT

the US Postal Service if the unit was being shipped by USPS. She could contact her state Attorney General's office as most have consumer protection offices she can file a complaint with.

The BBB can take a complaint (she would need to make it with HP's city of operation) and that sometimes gets people to do what they should have done in the first place.

Most cities have news stations that have consumer protection segments. Contacting them would provide additionally visibility that HP would probably like to avoid.

A final recourse could be small claims court in her city. HP would be forced to send a representative and the cost of defending itself, especially if the customer kept excellent records, would be more than the cost of a new system. Please the bad publicity would hurt HP at a time they are trying to recover customer goodwill.

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Buy from Costco[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 08:21:26 AM PDT

Then you can return it to them and let them fight with HP.

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Return it[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 10:18:26 AM PDT

I think we are becoming to used to shoddy quality. If you buy a brand new pc and something is wrong when you open the box, just return it. You shouldn't have to send a brand new product in for service. Also buy on a credit card so if they fight you over the return you can refuse to pay for the charge.

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Agreed -- Return it[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 10:24:07 AM PDT

Return it immediately and do not deal with tech support. I return any laptop for the slightest flaw. I keep about one out of every four laptops I receive from Lenovo.

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Broken computer[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 10:43:10 AM PDT

This should show the value of one thing. ONSITE support. I always advise people who have computers to always look at having onsite support. If they had it with their HP a technician would have come out and replaced the screen if it still did not work it would ahave been much easier to get a replacement unit! I would also always advise people to remove the hard drive when sending computers out for repair. Sometimes the repair place will either reistall Windows or replace the drive and you will lose all your data not to mention the risk of theft!

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Yeah, right...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 11:22:10 AM PDT

Look at all the complaints about onsite support at this site... First, some lowlife in India tells you in broken English to reformat & reinstall Windows. Four hours later, when you call back, another lowlife tells you the exact same thing. When you refuse, he tells you to open the case to see if something "by virtue of kharma had begotten loose." Then, six hours later, once they're thoroughly stumped, they transfer you over to 2nd-level support in the US. Then you complain bitterly about this extra onsite support contract when they decide that the sound driver must be the reason why you're getting lines across the screen...

Hours & hours spent before they're willing to send the tech from the company who bid the lowest hourly amount on the contract... This is the state of "onsite" support nowadays...

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Gateway Problem[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 11:32:12 AM PDT

I am a little surprised at the negative comments regarding Gateway. I have bought Gateway products exclusively for many years and I have always been impressed with their customer service and tech support. In my experience, their tech support has been prompt, unaccented, and helpful - even in the middle of the night. It kind of reminds me of the good old days of WordPerfect for DOS and the exemplary support they provided (for those of you old enough to remember).

This is not just on our corporate account - I recommend Gateway to all employees looking for personal computers. Those who have had occasion to call for support have reported being pleased with the results.

Maybe I've just been lucky (and that worries me) but I'm not going to change providers until I run into a problem myself. Fortunately, that hasn't happened yet.

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Gateway's "warranty"[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by tscoff on Tue May 22, 2007 at 01:38:16 PM PDT

I remember having the following conversation with Gateway about a $14,000 order for four computers with their "gold" level warranty.

Me: You admit that these four computers did not work out of the box.

Gateway: Yes

Me: I have the Gold, on site warranty.

Gateway: Yes

Me: So send someone out to fix them

Gateway: I'm sorry, but that isn't covered

Me: Then why did I pay for the warranty if it doesn't cover fixing a defective computer that you admit didn't work out of the box?

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Repair or replace[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by James Farmer on Wed May 23, 2007 at 03:32:47 AM PDT

If it doesn't work out of the box, aren't you entitled to a replacement rather than a repair? I would certainly expect a brand new replacement if I were shipped something that was faulty when it arrived.

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One good experience w/ Gateway service[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 10:56:47 PM PDT

Consistent customer service is a very hard thing to deliver. I bought a Gateway 24" monitor at BestBuy, but it turned out the DVI port didn't work. I called Gateway and they sent a replacement immediately along with a prepaid mailing label that I used to return the defective monitor in the box the replacement monitor came in. Sometimes I think you are better off buying computer equipment retail because the manufacturers hate getting returns from retailers. They would much rather you call them and they will jump through hoops to keep you from returning it to the store.

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Whiners[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Wed May 30, 2007 at 04:05:38 AM PDT

"Consistent customer service is a very hard thing to deliver."

Oh, my sympathies. Fighting fires is hard work too. So's fighting wars. So is an assortment of grunt heavy lifting. Society still manages to employ people in these jobs, hard though they may be.

If providing consistently good customer service is too difficult for whoever is currently charged with doing so at HP, then perhaps they should create a vacancy in that position and find a better qualified applicant? In place of whoever currently whines that their job is too difficult and therefore just sits on his can ... while of course continuing to draw his pay and benefits.

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Lack of caring[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 11:59:34 AM PDT

This is also a perfect example of how people at the lower ends of the company food chain just don't give a damn. Why does it take an executive of a company to get a problem resolved? Why aren't the people who hassled this family for months fired or reprimanded? This story speaks volumes about our society in general. It's sad, real sad.

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It may not be that they don't care[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 12:17:35 PM PDT

In many cases, it may not be that the lower level support doesn't care, they just cannot by policy do anything. Now, in the example here, failing to do their job (i.e. fix the @#$% computer) does not fall into that category -- that's fraud both against the customer and HP by whomever the "tech" was/were that was supposed to fix the return. But as far as being able to spend company money to send a new computer, or any other rectifying action -- the lower level people have absolutely no authority nor ability to do those things.

That's why screaming at the desk clerk at a store is such a tremendous waste of time, they can only follow the policies they are given -- they don't make the policies. Unfortunately, you aren't likely to encounter anyone on site who can do so either.

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Not So[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 22, 2007 at 12:37:14 PM PDT

Typically "screaming" or "making a scene" at a clerk, customer service person, or salesman will usually get a reaction from a floor manager who will do something to rectify the situation. A store never wants the public to see a dis-satisfied customer. While I personally do not have the balls to make a scene at a store, I know people who do, and they always get their way.

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It might be his fault.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by foxyshadis1 on Tue May 22, 2007 at 06:19:32 PM PDT

That same executive may be in control of creating the same nightmare policy. Or of course, he's not really "executive" of anything, just the guy who gets paid to be the fixer - quite a few companies have people dedicated to surfing forums, blogs, rating sites, and websites for public problems. authorized to hush up rants with a little grease. I've been contacted by them before and see plenty of them, it must be cheaper than fixing the whole system. (Not to be confused with companies whose technicians genuinely support their products on the web.)

Either way, they're happy to fix one out of ten problems that threatens to become public if it means they can keep making money by screwing over the other 9 in private.

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Tech Support[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Wed May 23, 2007 at 08:49:48 AM PDT

Is HP's tech support off-shore?

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Why is this "happy"?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Wed May 23, 2007 at 01:05:01 PM PDT

I'm happy the "little people" finally got a working computer from HP.  But "happy ending"?  Really?

The only way to get this resolved was for a high-powered IT columnist, with "connections" into HP, to raise the issue.  The "normal" people don't have that benefit.

What has HP done to fix the processes that led to this customer being so thoroughly screwed by HP?

What happened to the "technicians" who falsely stated that the computer was fixed?  How about their manager?

The only thing I got out of this article is that HP shafted a customer -- repeatedly -- and continued to do so until they got called on it by someone who has the ability to expose HP's support incompetence in a public forum.

What I got from this is that if you're not a corporate customer, or part of the Fourth Estate, HP will screw you into the ground.  I have an HP printer from some years ago, and I can only hope that I never have to deal with HP.  And I'll be avoiding HP gear in the future.

"Happy"?  Nope.

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Faulty HP BIOS update[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:14:28 AM PDT

I've tried three times to get HP to fix the faulty version 3.11 BIOS for the A8N-LA (Asus) motherboard in my Compaq Presario SR1820NX. The BIOS update, which the included HP updater offered to install without specifying that it was necessary, makes the fans run full-blast with the slightest provocation.

I did send it once to HP, with the promise that they would downgrade the BIOS to the 3.01 version it had when sold to me, but it was returned to me with 3.11 on it.

I tried twice more, but HP's only solution was either to get me on the phone, where they're not accountable for what they say, or to send my computer in again. Since they didn't fix it before and the fix is only a download away, if only they would provide it, there is no good reason for them to have their hands on it again.

Other computer and motherboard manufacturers have no problem offering multiple BIOS versions for download, but HP apparently has decided that we are stuck with this version. Asus doesn't have anything on its web site for this board, despite it being apparently their product.

Software products like Speedfan don't work with this motherboard. The only solutions I have found so far are products that force the CPU to run at a low speed or hardware fan controllers.

HP should be ashamed of the so-called service it provides and the gyrations it forces customers to experience just to get a hint of resolution.

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Hardware nightmares[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Wed May 23, 2007 at 08:01:06 PM PDT

I have been on both sides of that phone call. In the 80s, I was an online tech for Packard Bell. I can still remember working one Christmas morning, their support line is open 24/7/365, and walking grandma and her 12 year old grandson through opening the case of a brand new computer, resetting the hard drive cables twice, powering on and off at least three or four times, all to come to the obvious conclusion that the system had a DOA hard drive. I had to ruin these people's Christmas morning by making them go through this hour long process, because that was the only way the supervisors would grant an RMA number. (And my Christmas was not much better as the supervisors would be standing over you if the call took over ten minutes.) This was probably the very first computer either had ever touched in their lives and the entire experience was possibly poisoned by this experience. Personally, if I had had to break down a brand new computer in that fashion, I would have returned it, got my money back and never bought another product from that manufacturer.

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HP service crushed me, too[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:02:39 AM PDT

I have tried multiple times to give HP the benefit of the doubt in helping me with my printers, but I've now spent enough time on their service lines to be done with HP forever. I've spoken with inadequate service people, using inadequate systems that don't let them fix some problems (e.g., charge the right price, find my transaction, know who I am), and a culture of passing the buck and making it difficult to do anything but take your money. I've regularly experienced hold times of 25-30 minutes, and one time it was 1 hour 25 minutes, this being on their pay-extra service line (I had to give up because I have a job to do besides sit on the phone). I've had to give basic math lessons on transactions to get them to charge the right amount -- I wish I had a recording of that one, painfully funny now that it's over. For upfront purchasing, I think retailers will have my business for years to come, and I am definitely shopping other brands MUCH more heavily than I would have a couple years ago.

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HP desktop worse after service repairs[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 04:18:16 PM PDT

I got a HP Pavilion a1630n desktop model, which had MS windows problems from the outset--could not add a user and connect that user to the wireless network.I got no help from HP customer care on any of the problems with the system.Also, the motherboard was/is defective.The built-in ethernet works off and on, serial port died, etc. I took it to an independent repair shop and they told me the mother board was defective. CompUSA, where I bought i,t has been closed, so I took it to Geek Squad at BestBuy. They sent it in for HP warranty repair. Three weeks later, it comes back, with no motherboard replacement.The serial port is fixed, but both rear USB ports are now not working. I will be getting a new power supply, quality name brand motherboard and case and plug the cpu, memory, etc into it and I will have a de-HP'd system. Also, I toasted windows XP media center for kubuntu 7.04. From now on, I am just going to build my own desktop systems from good parts. but what to do about getting a laptop?

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HP does not stand behind their products[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 10:02:48 AM PDT

I'm glad I read these postings before I put more money into my HP notebook. I just got off the chat line with HP. This after talking to customer service who informed me that I needed to pay $49.99 just to have the privilege of talking to tech support for 14 days. The chat line informed me that I will need to pay $398 to get my defective motherboard fixed on my out-of-warranty (bought in 2006) notebook. This after just paying $300 for a new hard drive 2 months ago and $150 for data backup at BestBuy. That's $450 for work already done and another $400 for probably a refurbished motherboard from what I'm understanding here. And who knows if the work will really be done?? I think my only recourse is to bite the bullet and purchase a new notebook from someone other than HP, Dell or Gateway. I will never buy another HP computer. They do not stand behind products. I've read at other sites that this motherboard failing is a common problem but there seems to be no recourse other than paying more and more money to HP.

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