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College Kid Learns Lesson About Dell's Warranty

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Thu May 10, 2007 at 03:08:59 PM PDT

What is it about Dell and schools? Last year we had a story (see "Dell Gets a Failing Grade in School") about the failure rate of Dell computers in a high school. Now our recent discussions about useless extended warranties prompted another reader to relate his experience with a Dell intended for use at college.


"My daughter's $2,400 desktop Dell for college was expected to last four years, and was covered by an extra-cost, four-year in-room warranty", the reader wrote. "The PC lasted from September to January of her freshman year before the hard drive failed -- 4.25 months. The drive was warranteed for 12 months by Dell and by Western Digital, but Dell refused to admit the drive was bad despite all the evidence. On top of that, the drive was one of a huge bad run of WD Caviar drives everyone knew about, including me. So I had it in writing Dell would NOT use this drive on the machine!"

"They never came to service her machine, not ever," the reader wrote. "What they did was tell her to re-format the drive and re-load Windows. They told her to do this more than a dozen times, and she did it, all under the SAME incident number -- so they knew. Then she became disgusted and brought the PC home to me. After Dell gave me the format-and-install run-around three times, I threatened suit for fraudulent warranty. Then they sent someone. He installed ... a new Western Digital Caviar drive! It lasted 45 days before a massive failure."

By this time both the reader and his daughter had learned their lesson. "I returned that one to WD under their warranty, put the replacement drive they sent up on eBay, and bought a better drive for the Dell. Not much point to that -- daughter would never touch it again. She went through Kenyon using the desktops they provided in the dorms. Maybe I've been lucky, but in 70 years I've never dealt with a worse company than Dell."

What worthless warranty stories do you have to tell? Post your comments below, phone the Gripe Line voice mail at 1 888 875-7916, or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Not my experience[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:43:25 AM PDT

My daughter also had a Dell PC for school and a two year extended warranty. After 14 months, the hard drive failed and after doing the "reformat and reinstall" dance two times, Dell support determined it was a HD failure (also a WD Caviar drive). A service tech was dispatched and the drive replaced (with a different model.) All of this happened within 4 days. Dell may make mistakes, but I personally have not had any issues with their service or support.

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Anonymous[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Rey on Tue May 15, 2007 at 08:58:24 AM PDT

The problem with anonymous accounts is we can never be certain a post is legitimate and not PR to tear down or build up.
Rey in Virginia
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reply[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:40:30 AM PDT

"The problem with anonymous accounts is we can never be certain a post is legitimate and not PR to tear down or build up.
Rey in Virginia"

And requiring a log in prevents this how? Not like creating an account proves your identity on this or any other blog/message board.

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I'm real[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by modcon on Tue May 15, 2007 at 11:14:18 AM PDT

I understand your doubt, but I am a real person with real experience with Dell products - (fortunately?) none of them negative. I subscribe to Ed's blog and have read his Infoworld column for years before the blog, but I couldn't remember if I had an account or not (as with most people I already have too many id's and passwords to remember and don't really want more...) I figured out what my account info was, and reply under that listing. Does it tell you any more about me? ;) I am perfectly willing to say that maybe I've just been fortunate with Dell. As I said - "Dell may make mistakes, but I personally have not had any issues with their service or support." And I'm aware that, as with any company, Dell doesn't get things wrong all the time and they don't get it right all the time. But a person's perception of any company they do business with is based mostly on personal experience, and with Dell mine (as well as other people I know) has been good. I understand others have had bad experiences and they have gotten a lot of press. But if those with good experiences never post then those with no experience will not get an even-handed picture. The thing with blogs like this is more often than not negatives receive a much higher hit rate than positives. After all, it is called "The Gripe Log" not "The Praise Log." Just remember - even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and if you only look at it at those times you would think it's working fine. :)

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besides[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 05:03:25 PM PDT

Maybe they didn't mean to. I just posted as anonymous on accident. My login doesn't seem to work. Firefox even filled in both fields for me and no go :( There is nothing asking "did you mean to post anonymously" if name and password entered when making a reply don't work :(

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A Daughter away at School as well [ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 02:32:55 PM PDT

I bought a Latitude D610 for my Daughter going away to Princeton from where we live on the west coast. I bought the best unit available at the time and was the same unit I used at work (Boeing). I paid exter to have it under warranty for 4 years with complete care on it for accidental damage. Thinking that I would not have to get involved with it further. That she would start with the best and fight her own battles. I was wrong of course the unit went about four months before she had to call into Dell tech support. She had a bad hard drive. I had read about the bad WD drives and she had one. But that first call turned into 8 before they would replace the hard drive and even then said it was a best guess. It lasted another 2 months before she had to call again. This time a wireless card. And third time a couple of months later for a battery. Which they only cover for the first year of the warranty by the way. Even with a complete care warranty. This got her out of the first year. The second year more of the same. After 3 formats and a reinstall for a BSOD error. A motherboard was replaced. Followed by the ram and another hard drive and about 35 calls into Dell. The third year another BSOD so a "hero" kit was sent that was a motherboard, memory, processor. Needless to say that by the third year my daughters work was suffering and she was no longer at the top of her class. Because of some missed assignments or lesser grades for late assignments. So now that we are in the fourth year I am calling for my daughter no more letting her fight her own battles because she is losing the battle if her work suffers. I called in and was escalated through the layers of Dell support. Never dropping the Boeing Bomb on them. But just giving my daughters information. I was finally escalated to Dell Corporate in Round Rock. To the REC as they call it. Resolution Expert Center is the real name. I talked to a escalation rep by the name of Jeffrey Scully. I told him of my daughters plight with her unit. And he could see from the logs under her account. Which were massive. And without even asking for it he blurted out the he thought it would be a better business decision to replace the laptop due to its extensive repairs. As to carrying on further and roll the dice that your daughter would have a dependable unit for the remainder of her warranty. Which was 8 months to go. And that he would replace my daughter's unit with a brand new D630. I asked him why the others had not drawn the same conclusion were they not Dell employees also? And he said that generally they do and they are getting better. But he was the only Dell badged person who had entered notes into the log to date in all the entries. Which meant that I had finally reached a Dell person. When I call using Boeing I get a Dell person within a minute. They man our help desk. The new D630 arrived 6 days later. And has worked flawlessly since now in its 8th month. I called and had the warranty extended for a fifth year for graduate school. And yes my daughter did graduate and at the top due to her turn around her final year. Which I can directly contribute to her finally having a working unit. Through all of this I would actually buy a Dell again. And have done so for my son. Sometimes computers will fail and there is nothing that can be done about it. Even replacing what amounts to every part they will fail. But it kind of restores my faith that and don't get me wrong now I was angry before. But talking finally to someone whom actually worked for Dell. And did the right thing just by reviewing what had transpired goes a long way with me. That is what I wanted people told me "no" the same people whom were pushing another repair on me. I get to the real Dell. I am taken care of. Sorry Jeffrey for mentioning your name. But it is your fault for being there and also being the only one who can help.

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Dell Warranty[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by RDMjr on Tue May 15, 2007 at 09:09:50 AM PDT

I haven't had problems with Dell's warranty, but I do take one step before I call them. I go out to either Dell's web site (preferably) or the drive manufacturer's web site and get a diagnostic program to check the drive. I've had two drives fail, and both times starting the call with "I've got a bad hard drive; I've run the diagnostics on it and here's the result code" has short-circuited the reformat & reinstall dance. They've also replaced the keyboard, touchpad and a cracked piece of the housing on my son's laptop when he got back from Afghanistan. They also replaced the power supply brick and the battery on it; I won't order laptops any more without the CompleteCare package.

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Wow... drive, battery, power supply, keyboard...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by aladdin on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:08:53 AM PDT

Good thing you have that extended warranty to replace EVERY part of that fabulous Dell laptop?!? Essentially, you've had your entire laptop replaced under warranty in LESS THAN TWO years... now that's the Dell quality and reliability we all know about. Next time try a Thinkpad... sure, they're more expensive, but other than batteries (which most people are at fault for damaging for leaving the laptops ALWAYS plugged in and set to 100% charge - just like cordless phones), there aren't many problems...

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Worked OK for Me[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:33:42 AM PDT

I've have a couple of Dell desktops, and so far have only had problems with the power supply on one of them. I also did some research and diagnosed the problem before I contacted them, but it didn't save me from a 90-minute chat with some dude in India. He read his script, I lied and told him I was doing each step. He finally got to the end and told me it was the power supply and dispatched a technician. The tech was onsite about a day and a half later, and all is well. So, it was a little painful, but it wouldn't stop me from buying another Dell.

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Diagnostics don't help[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by sconeu on Wed May 16, 2007 at 07:35:32 AM PDT

"I go out to either Dell's web site (preferably) or the drive manufacturer's web site and get a diagnostic program to check the drive"

Doesn't help.  I had a Dell that had a bad onboard ethernet.  The "Dell Diagnostics" didn't show anything, but the Broadcom diagnostics bundled on the CD showed the onboard NIC was bad.

The Dell script follower refused to acknowledge the problem.  I wound up just buying a $10 PCI ethernet card and disabling the onboard ethernet.

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Dell & Supplied Software[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:23:02 AM PDT

One of our Dell machines was ordered with Corel's WordPerfect office suite. A user issue (not a problem) arose. It was not a software nor machine failure but a user question on an advanced software function. Call to Corel & time wandering around their help system. No human came forward. Just machine answering systems. Tried eMail & after a day or 2 a response was received reporting Corel doesn't support application software delivered as a part of the "computer system package." We weren't qualified for Corel free customer service. Back to Dell we go. Much ringtone time on the phone line. A little music. Clicking sounds. A couple of disconnects. Still no answer. In a state of frustration research started & a work-around was found. The result? Dell fell further down our list of "use again" suppliers. Dell's fall started with the "free printer" & other gimmicks that helped draw us in as customers. And they call it marketing.... Archie - - The Grumpy Gopher # # # # # # # # # #

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Dell - coporate versus private[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:27:57 AM PDT

We use Dell laptops and desktops exclusively where I work (Fortune 50 comany) and the service and system reliability has always been top notch. I recently bought a new desktop computer for my son (our third new Dell system). In the past I have bought the almost latest and greatest model (one step behind sticker shock). I should have researched the system more thouroughly this time rather than believe the marketing hype. The hardware does not perform nearly as well as advertised and there is no upgrade path. The motherboard design is about as cost-reduced as it can get. I would have returned it but my son managed to ding it up enough the first few days that they would not have taken it back. Next time...

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Dell Warranty Wear'Em Down[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by HeloSonar on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:37:34 AM PDT

This sounds remarkably like the policy of the not-so-fictional insurance company in John Grisham's "The Rainmaker". Deny, delay, tire them out until they go away.

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ONE good story about Gateway...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:39:13 AM PDT

Okay, I'll be the first to admit this is the FIRST time I've had such a good experience with Gateway, but give this a shot: A customer bought a laptop at - hold your breath - Goodwill. That's right. No AC adapter, no power, no books, no nothing. She paid next to nothing for it and brought it to me. Using my universal AC adapter I could get it to POST but there were many issues. Looked like bad RAM, definately bad hard drive, computer would sometimes turn itself off during install... Anyway, finally got Windows installed. Went to Gateway's site and typed in the serial number to limit my driver choices. Found out the laptop still had over 180 days left on an extended warranty! Called Gateway. For $44 they shipped me a special box with prepaid two-way overnight shipping. In 3 days from that day I got the laptop back. They replaced the keyboard, RAM (and upgraded to 512 from 256MB), hard drive, DVD drive and palm rest!! Funniest of all was a note beside the keyboard line item: "liquid spill detected."(!) They never asked a question and repaired it 100%.

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Worse than Dell?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:53:03 AM PDT

There is only one company worse than Dell. GATEWAY !!! They mis-represent, use false advertising, sell you SHAREWARE (expires in 15-30 days) programs that run needed hardware (CD-RW and other required hardware), and refuse to honor their 3 year warranty (paid extra for that!). And this is after myself and two others paid a total of more than $7,500.00 for 3 new computers purchased at the same time. Never again! I still have a 486DX-33 running Win 3.1 that was bought in 1991 and has run continously since then without a crash.

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Dell laptop hard drive problems[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by auctionhugh on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:58:14 AM PDT

The last two times we purchased dell laptops, we bought two identical ones (one set with a 3 year and one set with 4 year extended warranties, cheap after rebate - worth every penny).

This makes diagnosing problems extremely easy. Swap the hard drives. If using the other hard drive solves the problem, it is a hard drive or software issue. If not, it is a laptop problem not related to the software or hard drive.

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Dell Bailed Out By Costco[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 11:53:23 AM PDT

I bought a Dell Inspiron laptop at Costco last year. The (very good) price included a 3-year warranty. When I went to Dell's site to activate the warranty, it said nearly three months of it had already passed. In effect, I had a 2-year-9-month warranty. Dell's position is that a warranty starts running when the machine is made. That's apparently a violation of California law, but Dell persisted in its stance. I called Costco, who offers 6 months no-questions-asked returns on PCs. They contacted their Dell rep, got the same response I had, and told me not to worry, they'd make good if there was a problem in the final months. They gave me the name and phone number of someone to talk to, and sent an e-mail for my files, just there would be a record of their commitment. Meanwhile, the Inspiron has run flawlessly.

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Costco[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by sconeu on Wed May 16, 2007 at 07:41:39 AM PDT

Costco is one of the "good guys" as far as I am concerned.

I've had occasion to use their "No questions asked" warranty, and it really is that way.

My last company bought a Toshiba laptop there -- needed a one-off, so it was quick and easy to do it that way.  I came back from a trip, and the LCD display was dead.  Costco took it back with no problems.  This was about 2 years ago.

Even better, last year, my next door neighbor had bought a desktop LCD display there.  About 3 months later, it died.  He couldn't find the receipt or the original box.  He still tried to take it in.  They looked up the purchase and agreed that it was still under the 6 months no questions asked period, and exchanged it.  Now THAT's customer service.

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Different classes of Dell warranties[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by fedsysad on Tue May 15, 2007 at 12:44:19 PM PDT

I'm a civilian sysad for a large IT organization within the US Army. We have hundreds of Dells, most of which are high end models operating in a classified environment. We normally get the three year support, and, for the most part Dell hardware and its support has been very good. However, I recently had a drive fail in a Dell system purchased just a few months ago, and, in discussions with Dell technical support, they agreed that the drive needed to be replaced. Then I discovered that they no longer allow us to destroy the failed drive - we must return it or be charged for the replacement drive. When a hard drive fails in our environment and is replaced, the failed drive, because of classification, cannot be returned to Dell, but must be physically destroyed. Since sending these failed drives back to Dell is not an option, we have virtually no warranty on our hard drives. It seems that we must now upgrade (at additional cost) to a "keep your old hard drive" warranty in order to have warranty protection on our hard drives.

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Check your contract[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 12:54:08 PM PDT

Have procurement and/or legal check your contract. While the Dell rep was correct for normal circumstances, your situation is far from normal. There should be clause in your contract allowing you to destroy the HDD. If there isn't (and I would be very surprised if there isn't) your manager/superior needs to make sure the procurement and legal depts have that worked out with future contracts.

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Also check for alternative proof of destruction[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 15, 2007 at 03:02:02 PM PDT

You may also inquire again. You may be able to destroy the drive platters and only return the shell or some other part of the drive to Dell as proof of destruction.

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So send it back[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Fushigi on Wed May 16, 2007 at 05:50:02 AM PDT

Run it through one of these ( http://www.machine-solution.com/prodinfo.asp?number=IND+380-500 ) and send the scrap metal back to Dell.

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Dell support of four years ago?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 29, 2007 at 01:30:23 PM PDT

In reading the original description of the problem, the Dell not getting fixed for the college-student daughter, it seems like it is a description of how things were four years ago. "She went through Kenyon using the desktops they provided in the dorms". Implying that the particular problems described are several years in the past. Not to assert that it has, but Dell's level of quality in their tech support might well have changed since then.

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Yep[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Sat Jun 02, 2007 at 02:43:10 PM PDT

"Dell's level of quality in their tech support might well have changed since then."

Sure. It might be unchanged, or it might have gotten even worse.

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warranty[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
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Bought a Dell in November,2005 for $2500. In June, 2007, I had to replace a video card, which they did for free. However, I had to send them the bad video card. In December, 2007, it crashed. Called the service number and was told it was cost $40 just to talk to them. What a privilege! After paying the $40, they though it was the mother board and since the warranty was up; there was nothing they could do. I suggested that maybe it was the video card. Their response was that those refurbished parts are only warrantied for 90 days. What really got me angry was somebody in India calling me Dude.

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