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Part-by-Part Extended Warranty Torture

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 01:06:06 AM PDT

While many consider it a waste of money to buy an extended warranty, flat panel TVs are the type of expensive and failure-prone product for which you might make an exception. But a pattern is emerging in reports from my readers that suggest you'd best think otherwise. By insisting on trying to fix defective devices with one futile part replacement after another, flat panel TV retailers and service organizations are making extended warranties both a waste of money and time.


"I purchased an Insignia flat panel television from Best Buy less than two years ago, along with an extended warranty," a reader in Texas recently wrote. "Last month I was watching the TV when it simply stopped working. Best Buy sent a tech out a few days later who said he'd have to order a part to fix it. That didn't work, and the next tech they sent out requested that Best Buy replace my unit because he couldn't get it repaired, but twice Best Buy refused his request. I've spent hours on the phone with Best Buy's Lack of Customer Care Department, and hours scheduling more attempts to replace different parts. But apparently once the decision has been made to deny a replacement, it's easier to get an audience with the Pope than to talk to someone at Best Buy who can change that decision."

When you pay big bucks for a product, and additional big bucks for an extended warranty, shouldn't that buy something other than an interminable wait to have it repaired? "The tactics Best Buy and others are using with their extended warranties is an issue that needs to be raised," wrote another reader with a family member whose HD TV had given up the ghost. "His warranty says that he can get it replaced if he is not satisfied with the product, but Best Buy says they get to take as long as they want to try to repair it. After his set went out, they did finally agree to come pick it up, but it took them six weeks to fix it. What good is a warranty that takes your big flat screen HD set and leaves you with a big hole in your den while you watch whatever old TV you have lying around?"

It's not just Best Buy though -- another name that keeps surfacing in many of these situations is GE, which often winds up with the service contract for the extended warranty. "My story is the same," wrote one reader in response to a previous story about Good Guys, CompUSA and GE all failing to honor an extended warranty on a Sony plasma TV. "I purchased an LG Plasma TV from a Good Guys store that has since closed, and my $1,000 extended warranty was sold to GE. Two years and four months later, the TV does not work. GE recommended an 'authorized' local repair service that took two weeks just to set up an appointment to come verify the TV doesn't work. The technician said he would have to order a part from LG, because this is the process GE makes him go through. But he was certain the part would not fix the problem. Oh, great. Three weeks later the part is in and an appointment is scheduled another week out. On the day of the appointment the local repair service cannot be reached because their phones are down -- my appointment is missed and I have to reschedule another week later."

Adding to her frustration, the LG customer has since discovered that the local repair service GE sent her to has a very dubious history with the Business Better Bureau and doesn't appear to have a business license. "Repeated calls to GE Warranty Services are greeted with an I-could-care-less attitude. Here I paid $1,000 dollars for an extended warranty and, seven weeks after my TV fails, I'm still waiting for service. My advice to anyone who has the misfortune to have their very expensive extended warranty plan sold to GE is to be prepared for a long and frustrating journey. I will never again buy anything from GE, backed by GE or serviced by GE. Their only interest is in growing bigger and making more money for the Chief Executives -- GE customer service is a thing of the past."

A big part of the problem is that extended warranties are often serviced by third parties like GE that might have little incentive to keep the customer happy and can also have their own interpretation of what is covered. "I purchased a Samsung HLP-6163-WX DLP TV through my Good Guys' account a couple of years back and got the extended warranty because the salesman assured me that the lamp was covered," wrote another reader. "Unfortunately, I'm now being told by GE that the part is not covered under warranty because 'it's a user-replaceable part.' She said it was my fault for not reading the contract I signed. I asked the rep to send me a copy of this contract that says it cannot be replaced and she says they can't do that either!"

Of course, it's almost certain that somewhere deep in the fine print of the original warranty agreement there is language that can get the vendor off the hook. "As far as extended warranties, I've never seen one that was all inclusive," wrote another reader. "In fact, there is usually a list of parts covered and/or not covered a mile long. Most people don't know enough about Plasma TVs, or any other complicated electronic device, to know what parts are expensive or wear out quickly. The warranties seem to be written to take advantage of a person's lack of knowledge. I always thought that technology was supposed to make our lives easier and more comfortable, but it seems more and more that companies are trying to stick it to their customers."

The reader in Texas would agree, although I'm happy to report that -- after complaining to the Best Buy store, the Best Buy CEO, the Better Business Bureau, and everywhere else she could think of -- she was finally given an in-store credit to replace her broken flat panel TV. But she's still not a happy camper. "I had to miss time from work, time for which I was not paid, to be available for the repairman. I paid an expensive cable bill for cable service I wasn't able to enjoy. I don't understand why repairmen can't carry parts or a diagnostic tool with them rather than make me wait a week for each of the parts that were ordered. And it would seem to me that after three service calls weren't able to resolve the problem, that another more productive solution would have been found rather than continue to replace parts at random. Yes, I replaced my television, but this issue isn't over for me. Everyone in the store told me that they hear complaints like mine day after day. It's sad they are treating customers like this -- don't they understand their business depends on people like me?"

Unfortunately, I think what executives of Best Buy, GE, etc. understand is that a lot of their profits depend on customers not ever collecting on pricey extended warranties. Extended warranties are a lot like rebates that way - in fact, maybe they're even worse in that the customer has more money at stake. So if over this holiday season you're going to be shopping for a flat screen TV or other expensive gadgets, you might want to keep that in mind.

Do you think purchasing an extended warranty is ever a good idea? Post you comments below or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Extended Warranties[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 04:58:53 AM PDT

In spite of what many people think, extended warranties are NEVER a good deal for the purchaser. In most cases, as much as half of the extended warranty sales price goes to the salesman that sucked you in, and the balance is such a pittance you should not expect to get anything in return anyway. If you really appreciate the salesmans effort, TIP him, you will both be happier! Then take the balance of what you would have paid for the warranty, and put it away for a replacement when the day comes that you need one. You will be much happier with a new component, than a repaired one, and based upon the progression of technology it will most likely be a much better component, and more reliable.

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Extended Warrantees[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by byelen on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 07:43:42 AM PDT

Whether or not an extended warrantee is worth while really depends on the cost of the original item, as well as how well the warantee is serviced. Three years ago, the charitable organization I volunteer with purchased a Toshiba laptop and extended warrantee for a student we had awarded a scholarship to. After 1 1/2 years, the laptop's display "went south". CompUSA had a new display installed. Six months later, it started giving BSOD's w/out warning, gradually to the point where the laptop was unusable. CompUSA had the motherboard replaced, and no other problems arose. I can't state if this was a policy of "throwing parts", or if the need for a new display and motherboard was arrived at through proper diagnostic proceedures. I Can say that the student was treated with respect at the store, and was not given any "hurdles" over the repairs.

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It's not about one item, it's about many[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 10:54:31 AM PDT

If you look at an extended warranty in the context of actually having to use it on a single item, it makes sense. But if you look at the failure rates on pricey items, over time it never makes sense mathematically. You will save more money in the long term if you never buy an extended warranty, even if you have to pay repair or replacement costs out of pocket. If it were any other way, it would not make financial sense for retailers to offer extended warranties.

If you worry about repair and replacement costs, try this: Every time you are tempted by an extended warranty offer, don't do pay for it. Instead, take 20% of the cost of the extended warranty and put it aside in a repair fund. I guarantee you that over time you will be paying more into the fund than you are taking out for repairs.

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Extended Warranties[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by John V on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 12:30:35 PM PDT

Statistically, extended warranties never make economic sense for the consumer. As another reader pointed out, if extended warranties made economic sense for the consumer, they would almost necessarily NOT make economic sense for the seller. The warranties would probably be too expensive for the retailers to offer in the first place. I never purchase extended warranties for that reason. When I am occasionally pressured by a retailer to purchase an extended warranty, my standard response usually silences the pitchman immediately: "If I truly thought that I would need an extended warranty for this product, then maybe I shouldn't be buying this product in the first place." After all, telling a customer that they are going to need an extended warranty is really just another way of saying that the product will probably break as soon as the standard warranty expires.

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Typical Best Buy[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 05:08:46 AM PDT

I am not at all suprised that Best Buy treats their customers like crap. The last time I did business with them 3 years ago, they did the same to me ...long story. I wrote to their (new at the time) CEO detailing the horrendous treatment I had recieved at the hands of the 19 year olds running their Manchester, CT store, and never even got a form letter in return. Now they are just Worst-Buy for me, and I stay away.

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Best Buy warranty[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by jwboyes on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 09:55:52 AM PDT

While as a general rule I do not buy extended warranties, several years ago I had gone through several VCRs in a similar number of years, I decided to get one of their 4 year if-you-return-it-three-times-you-get-a-new-one warranties. After about 3 months it broke, they fixed it, another year and it broke again and they fixed it. As I was coming down the stretch run toward the end of the warranty, it broke again and took it back and told them I wanted a new one. In the mean time, something very interesting happened to the prices of VCRs. They had been cut by at least 50%, possibly more. They allowed me the full price I had originally paid on a replacement. That basically allowed me to buy the best VCR on the floor with a new 4 year warranty. My Sony is still operating fine. So on this one at least, I came out fine

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Well...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#33)
by CowboyinBRLA on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 11:37:15 AM PDT

When you have a clear warranty with such a simple, easy-to-quantify trigger (3 returns for failure, and you get a new one), it could be worth it. Especially if, as you say, the terms allow for you to spend up to the original purchase price on a new item, instead of a depreciated amount. However, such policies are rare, and as Ed's correspondents pointed out, the standard "extended" warranty usually has a raft of exceptions.

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Extended Warranties[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Judd on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 05:21:12 AM PDT

You probably won't get too many good stories about extended warranties but I have one. I purchased an Averatec 3715 laptop from Sam's Club and also purchased the extended warranty for $29. I needed to have the laptop fixed during the normal warranty period and Averatec promptly took care of the problem and fixed it. After the normal one year warranty expired, it died again. After hearing all these bad things about extended warranties, I figured I was in for a run around. I called the warranty service and the lady asked me a few questions to verify I owned the laptop and had purchased the extended warranty. Then, they had the repair service send me a prepaid UPS box to ship the laptop to them and the box arrived in a couple of days. I sent them the laptop and they fixed it and sent it back by 2nd day air and I had it back in less than a week and it works perfectly. Wow, what a surprise. I couldn't be happier with the $29 I paid Sam's Club for the extended warranty.

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They do make sense on laptops[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 08:49:26 AM PDT

Laptops are difficult to repair without access to manufacturer's spare parts. Rarely are there generic parts available. Even in the case where a small, inexpensive part needs to be replaced, repairs are labor-intensive and therefor expensive. There are few other products that fall into this category.

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Extended agony[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 06:22:43 AM PDT

When extended warrantees were first offered, many years ago, I found them to be worthwhile. But that was when you could stand across the counter from the person who sold you the warrantee and have a polite conversation with someone who personally hoped to sell you another product sometime soon. Today these false products are a consumer ripoff. The exclusions, the faceless interface to "customer service" (which today alone has become a fraudulent claim), the "you can't sue us" arbitration clauses, and the clearly official tactics of delay, deny, duck and cover all mean that you are highly unlikely to get what you paid for. And even if you do, if you average the warrantee over the expected life of all the products, you discover that you are much better off not buying the warrantee and just replacing what does break. My new home came with many appliances and a four-year GE warrantee on them all. The cost of the warrantee for the builder (i.e. me) was $895. During the next 4 years, only one item broke down: a $495 microwave. Net $400 to GE (which is why, of course, that they do it.) The very business model of extended warrantees is predicated on charging you more than it would cost for them to pay for both the replacement and the service people to do it. Extended warrantees offered by the manufacturer are usually there to give the manufacturer a leg up on competition, and used to be (and for some still are) a "loss leader". The cost of the warrantee was usually a little less than the actual cost of enforcement. But third party warrantees are a sham. Unlike insurance, where liability to a given loss may exceed your total wealth, most warrantees are addressing minimal risk situations. As such, they are a waste of your money. Take the risk yourself and pay the occassional (and very limited) loss.

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SUE! SUE! SUE! [ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by kamnet on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 06:40:03 AM PDT

Sadly, customers CANNOT allow themselves to be kicked around like this. As soon as you hear the first "no" come out of somebody's lips with regard to getting your purchased fixed or replace, you MUST start threatening them, making noise, and threaten to take legal action in order to protect your rights that you PAID for. It doesn't matter if it is a $5000 product or a $5 product, you MUST demand that they uphold their end of the deal.

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Arbitration clauses[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by tscoff on Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 02:59:39 AM PDT

And even though there are arbitration (you can't sue us) clauses in the extended warranties, point out that the company will spend much more on legal fees despite that clause than they will spend honoring the warranty and you're filing in small claims court which means your legal fees are $0.

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Cost of Extended Warrantees[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 06:40:24 AM PDT

Do the math. Anyone offering an extended warrantee knows the probability of any one unit needing repair/replacement. The know the price of repair/replacement, which gives them the cost of the contingent liability. Factor in the salesman commission and the profit the warrantee company needs to make and you realize that you are paying far more than the cost of replacement. Cost of replacement plus commisssion plus profit = price you pay for exended warrantee. Then factor in the time delays mentioned in the article plus the "authorized" repair facility may be hundreds of miles away and you can see extended warrantees are never a good deal.

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Complain to your state's Attorney General[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 07:15:06 AM PDT

My brother has a similar sad tale to tell of Best Buy giving him the run around on an extended warranty for his computer. After Googling around a bit, I saw that the company is in trouble with a number of State Attorneys General (e.g. New Jersey and Connecticut). That leads to an obvious recourse for frustrated consumers - complain to your State's Ombudsman or Attorney General or Consumer Fraud Department. Once enough complaints accumulate, they will likely act. While Best Buy and others may be too big for an individual to fight, they will back off when confronted by a State's government. Good Luck

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After many years of experience...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 07:43:14 AM PDT

None of what I heard surprises me. I've spent 30+ years in repairing, then managing life cycles of electronic devices. I worked for companies that pushed me to sell service contracts/extended warranties (same item, different phrase), and have spent the last 18 years in hospitals managing the medical equipment inventories. Fact - Most service contracts have a profit margin of at least 30%. Generally, once they have your money, the vendor is done with you. Example - in a reasonable large hospital; in-house costs for maintaining equipment run about 5%/year of purchase cost. Contract costs run 8-12%/year. This is for medical equipment; if it breaks people can die. The extended warranties for consumer items can easily run 20-25%/year. If it breaks, you're inconvenieced, not dead. If you buy the contract, you've been had.

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extended warranty for lcd tv[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 07:50:28 AM PDT

I had a good experience with an extended warranty. I think. I'd never bought an extended warranty until I bought a Magnavox flat-panel tv from Sears, but in this case I did. The device failed completely within a month (well within the regular warranty period), I took it back, Sears replaced it. A month later (still within the regular warranty period) the tv could no longer sense the remote (it takes a long time to flip through a hundred channels one at a time). I made an appointment with the authorized repairman so I wouldn't have to go without. I took the tv to the shop. The tv sat on his floor for a month, then the part he had ordered came in and he fixed it. Worked fine ever since. The tv's still under the extended warranty. The extended warranty hasn't been used. I sort of had some peace of mind because of the extended warranty, but it's been reduced by your article.

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Generally worthless, but there are exceptions[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 08:15:44 AM PDT

Our dishwasher failed after about 5 years (motor burned out). I called Sears Service (it's a Kenmore) and the representative said they could sell me an extended warranty and it would cover the repair. I bought it, and it did, saving me about $100. And I got an additional year of coverage, which it turns out I never needed.

I've heard to get extended warranties on notebook computers and Apple computers. My Dell notebook warranty just paid for itself when the internal CD burner/DVD drive failed at 2.5 years. I've never needed to use the AppleCare warranties on a (now) nearly 3 year old iMac, a 2.5 year old iBook and a 1 year old iMac, but I know that any failure on these I wouldn't be able to fix myself (I've fixed my own PC desktops) and would cost more than the warranty no matter what failed.

Beyond that, I must say that I've never owned a car or appliance where an extended warranty would have paid, nor have I bought any.

We did get an extended warranty when we bought a first-model-year Ford Taurus in 1986. It was (for the time) such a complex car that we were frightened by the possibilities for failure. As it turns out, during the course of the 60,000 warranty,  the only thing that failed was the electric motor for the car seat, and that wasn't covered!

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Sears[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by sconeu on Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 02:47:19 PM PDT

Ditto on the Sears thing.

We have a fridge, well out of warranty.  It started leaking all over the floor.  The guy on the phone sold me a warranty, and I wound up saving about $200 overall on the repair.

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by maderikapapa on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:57:08 AM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#66)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:47:36 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#68)
by Anonymous User on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 10:46:58 AM PDT

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Applecare[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 08:38:27 PM PDT

I think that the Applecare warranty is the only extended warranty I remember ever buying. But only for laptops -- I never bothered with it for desktop units. I've haven't had to use it for two of my laptops. For the other two, a memory chip went bad on one and the hard drive crashed really hard on the other. It's really nice -- they send the special box to ship it in, they come and pick it up, you get to check the status of the repairs over the phone (maybe online, i don't remember), and I got it back within a week. And it's nice being able to call their Help Desk -- even for things that really were 3rd party items -- and I've always gotten knowledgeable, friendly help who didn't make me step through some script, and they've always solved my problem. So I recommend Applecare.

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About Extended Warranties[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 08:23:32 AM PDT

I am a former Home Depot Associate & Sales Specialist. When I worked in Applicances, we were pushed to sell Extended Warranties on all major applicances... because about 50% of the sale price went to the store's bottom line. So, the earlier comment about this was not entirely correct. It's not always the sales person who makes the $ on extended warranties (my store had an "incentive" program, but they had a habit of changing the rules periodically so that they rarely had to pay off on the "incentives.) Now... if you decide to purchase an extended warranty on any item (be it high end electronics or an semi-expensive refridgerator), there are some things that YOU must do: (1) Keep your original sales receipt (and related paperwork) as proof of date of purchase -- critical if you are near the end of the warranty or extended warranty period; if you can't prove when you bought, they can claim that the warranty started on the date of manufacturer, and if it took 3 months to get to you after manufacture, to bad. (2) Keep all warranty and extended warranty paperwork. Very often, first level customer "service" is told to read from a script about what they can and can not do; but if you actually have the warranty, you don't have to rely on their script (which may have changed terms or not otherwise apply to you) (3) Don't rely on phone calls. Sometimes they keep or transcribe the tapes, sometimes they don't or there are no tapes. If the CSR doesn't enter things in their computer system correctly, it becomes your memory against their stored data if and when a dispute happens. Ask for copies of everything in writing. Take notes. Repeat things back to make certain you understand AND that you have it copied correctly. (If allowed by your state wiretap laws, tape the conversation... after all, they always tell YOU that they're taping for Quality Control purposes, so they can't very well claim that they didn't know that the conversation COULD be taped!) And if things start getting sticky, insist on names (theirs or their supervisors) and addresses -- and mail correspondence to them. (4) Stick to your guns. Don't be bamboozled. If the warranty says "replace" and they want only to "repair," insist on "replace." After all, you have it in writing because you kept your copy, right? And... (5) Complain to the BBB, state Attorney General, newspaper or TV consumer protection reporter. And if needed, file a suit in Small Claims Court (or equivalent). [And don't be scared of those 'aribtration' clauses, as many of them have already been ruled invalid at the state and federal court level -- if they wave that at you, consult with a good attorney] Most of the big companies like GE are practical -- they'd prefer to quietly settle a claim than to set a precedent in court.

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On recording [ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#36)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 02:03:03 PM PDT

I always figured that the phrase "this call may be recorded for quality purposes" was the company giving you permission to record the phone conversation.  If they didn't mean it that way, they could always rephrase the statement.   ;-)

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phone recording[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#45)
by nicievans on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 01:24:05 PM PDT

Move to Arkansas - only one party to the conversation has to know it's being recorded. So as long as you are involved in the conversation and YOU know it's being recorded, it's admissable.

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Extended Warranty at Ritz Camera[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 08:54:31 AM PDT

I have found that extended warranties on high end DSLRs and lenses through Ritz Camera is an excellent purchase. I use my cameras extensively as a hobby, and it is not unusual for me to come back from a trip with 2000~3000 images on memory cards. With this much use, parts wear out. Every DSLR (5 of them) and lens I've purchased from Ritz has included an extended warranty. There has NEVER been a question - I bring it in, and they replace/repair it, regardless of fault. I recently had a trip to Australia. On my one free day to take pictures, I tripped and fell about 100 meters from my hotel. Busted the telephoto lens into pieces. When I got back to the US, I took the lens pieces, along with my warranty, into the local Ritz store, and walked out with a new $1000 lens. That simple and that easy. That is an extended warranty worth having, and also excellent customer service!

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Extended Warranty's - Bah Humbug ??[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Paul Bunyan on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 09:29:31 AM PDT

I have never thought extended warranty's were worth a fraction of the money paid for them. But when I purchased a fairly expensive Sony camera from a mail order (web site) store in the east coast, they pushed hard to sell me an extended warranty. I gave in because I was told it would ship immediatly if I had the extended warranty. Just over the normal warranty a little latch that holds the battery in the camera broke. Upon calling the company they sent all the directions for getting the camera repaired. It turned out they wanted a lot of paperwork inclosed. All receipts, copies of the actual warranty certificate, etc.. I also had to send a check for $10 for return postage. I asked them how much the repairs would have been if I didn't have the extended warranty and it would have cost me a few hundred dollars more. So in this case the extended warranty was worth it. The camera is now just like new. My refrigerator needed replacement and I decided to purchase one at Home Depot. I discovered they didn't service themselves so I purchased a less expensive GE frig with only a one year warranty instead of the 7 year warranty's of some of the other's and decided to take my chances. I guess the thought is if it lasts one year it should last a few more. So far so good and everything is working well. I purchased a 60 inch Plasma TV just over 1 year ago from a local small one owner dealer. No extended warranty was purchased. You guessed it, just over the year the screen went black and a red warning light flashed 5 times. Upon calling the manufacturer they said the error code ment the power supply had gone south and needed to be replaced. I then called the dealer about the problem. To make a long story short they brought a power supply from another unit they had in the store. Got everything working and said they would try to get warranty replacement by taging it to the other unit they had. Seeing the power supply was a $500 unit I was very pleased. To summerize, I feel where you make the purchase and who is the servicing company has a big bearing on purchasing an extended warranty. The stores and sometimes the sales people make a good commission on the sale of an extended warranty and after the commissions I wonder if there is enough money left for any actual repairs. Take time to read the fine print and ask questions. In many cases the decision to purchase an extended warranty is when you are at the checkout line paying for the equipment. I now ask the sales person for the details when making the purchase decision.

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"It Depends"[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by hgoldner on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 09:47:36 AM PDT

You have to be as intelligent about purchasing an extended warranty as you presumably are about purchasing the product you are seeking to warranty.  In addition, the value of an extended warranty is going to be related to the original warranty offered by the manufacturer.

In the case of LCD's, various manufacturers have varying pixel failure rates, and what will constitute a 'defect.'  If you purchase a $1000 screen, you darn well ought to know what that number is BEFORE you decide to make the purchase, let alone whether to buy the warranty.

In the case of a Palm PDA or an Apple iPod, an extended warranty (the manufacturer's warranty, not a third-party warranty) is generally a good idea, because hard drives fail, ipods drop, PDA screens break, etc., and the inconvenience (or emotional trauma) may justify the extended warranty.

Secondly, it is important to know WHO is providing the warranty.  Is it the manufacturer?  Is it a local third party contractor?  Is it some entity overseas?  Do you call the same number for extended warranty claims as you do for original warranty claims?

Thirdly, don't forget that many credit cards come with automatic extended warranties.

And finally, remember that the price of the product may contemplate the purchase of an extended warranty.  If you walk into that box store and buy that vanilla computer system which is marked down to below cost, you should probably buy the warranty which will bring the cost of the system closer to its real value.

One man's opinion, YMMV.

Harold


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You're Right - It Depends. And luck helps![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 11:59:08 AM PDT

I have come to the conclusion that the stuff you buy is meant to break as soon as the warranty has expired. I will say that I have bought a few extended warranties that saved me some $$$. I'll even say that the ones that paid off were handled by GE GM SUV $5000 brake and transmission repair - covered no fuss Toshiba Plasma - $4000 repair - covered and I even bought it from the Good Guys who sold to CompUSA then disappeared altogether. It did take 4 weeks to repair though. Panasonic telephone - covered and it was even handled in store! As a rule I've started buying more of them. We'll see how it goes.

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Extended Warranty - A Scam[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Tinman on Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 08:14:39 PM PDT

I have seen over the years how every other year one warranty company will buy out the other, or are sold to some small company that magically goes bankrupt. I bought an extended warranty through Ford back in 84. They sold out to another company which sold out to another which went bankrupt. I found this out when an expensive ignition crystal went out. Ford was nice enough to cover the repairs though, but most won't..... In the last month I have received 4 notices that I am about to go to the "warrantless" time. I never purchased an extended warranty on this item, and got a notice from 4 different warranty companies, which means that the place I bought it from sold me out to the warranty marketers. And there's no telling how many of them are even leggit.....
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Are Extended Warranties worth it?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 07:29:46 AM PDT

To those who think that Extended Warranties are never worth it, do you have life insurance? Homeowner's insurance? Automobile insurance above and beyond what the law might require? There is not much debate about those insurance policies, even though statistically speaking, you're going to lose money in the long run. There are differences, of course. I'd guess that th