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AT&T Fails to Communicate

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 12:57:27 AM PDT

The big vendors are capable of bringing a lot of resources to bear on a project, but sometimes putting all those heads together means nobody hears anybody else. That's a feeling one reader has had on several occasions recently, most particularly on a disappointing day when AT&T was supposed to turn on his company's new T3 telecom service.


"We are installing, hopefully, a new service," the reader wrote. "It is a new full T3 carrier system that will replace our existing technology and give us a nice bump in performance to remote sites. However, AT&T has so many people involved that no two of them have a clue what is going on."

The reader started getting mixed signals from AT&T early on in the project. "Early in the planning stages I asked for details and was given generalities. As the project progressed, I asked my leadership the same questions when I was directed to order the hardware for our side of the new circuits. My concerns were 'on the table' and 'to be discussed' at the next meeting/conference call. Skip ahead to two weeks before the first circuit is to be turned up. I nearly had a heart attack as I envisioned $30,000 worth of improperly optioned routers when the AT&T documents stated the previously identified frame relay circuits were to be ATM. A few panicked e-mails and phone calls later I'm assured it is frame relay."

"So now jump ahead to yesterday -- test and turn up day for the first T3 port," the reader continued. "I dialed the appropriate number for the conference bridge and sit on hold as the first participant. I sat on hold for 15 minutes until the bridge dumped me for being the only participant without a chairman ever joining the call. Doesn't a T3 get any respect these days? Later that same day we were going to test and turn up another port. It was documented as a T1 frame relay port. After sitting on hold for 20 minutes waiting for a tech -- since T1s are first come, first served status -- I finally got a tech who couldn't access the system. He kept calling back periodically to update me. Finally, at almost 5 PM, they call to tell me that the circuit should be up but it isn't showing the protocol active. We start going over parameters and guess what? It isn't frame relay after all. It, too, is PPP -- even after the many, many times I've requested confirmation on all aspects of this project."

A few days after that disaster, the reader took stock of where the project was. "Part of the new service is up. It is an MPLS network so each node represents another point of meshed connectivity. I currently have three nodes of 16 turned up. I've have VPs and every one of the dozen order handlers, techs, account managers, account specialists, high speed account specialist calling to apologize for the problems but they seem unable to correct most of it."

Getting everybody on the same page when dealing with big vendors seems to be getting harder and harder to do. "AT&T let us down three times that day if you count a cut to a new circuit that didn't go so well on a completely different project," the reader wrote. "But it's not just AT&T. IBM contractors are giving me the same types of headaches -- six people on a conference call and none of them actually DO anything. They are all project managers that don't really get it."

Have you run into a big vendor who doesn't get how to communicate with its customers? Tell us about it -- post your comments below or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Welcome to the new AT&T[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 10:32:22 AM PDT

You may not have gotten good service from BellSouth, but you did get service eventually. Now you're lucky to get anyone on the phone at all. You can forget it if you need anything quickly.

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Customer communication best practice...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 12:12:53 PM PDT

We've all had the bad experiences... what about good ones? Where does it work? Who does a good job, and what makes it a good job? I'm sure sometimes it's just the individual you are working with.

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Good Telecommunications[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 11:45:47 AM PDT

We've been with Sprint for LD Voice and Data for over 5 years now and I can't remember having a problem. When we have conference calls with them things are done and they are done when they say they will be done.

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Bellsouth, AT&T, doesn't matter[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 12:15:41 PM PDT

Having been their customer for decades, and sat in a cube in one of their offices for a year (on contract to a vendor), I have NEVER seen such lack of competence or concern as at Bellsouth.  On the other hand, AT&T is definitely not better.  

A small business client of mine recently had their T1 line go out, and their DSL backup was dead, too.  EIGHT calls to AT&T and a tech visit later, we determined that there was a fault in a switch a few blocks away (T1), and an administrative problem (DSL) that our sales rep can't make go away.  

Here's a great conversation:

TECH: Oh; here's the problem.  The switch (or router, I forget) up the street is giving a bazillion errors.  I'll put in a request for it to be serviced.

ME: When did the errors start?

TECH: A couple of months ago.

ME: You don't monitor your network equipment for faults?  Isn't someone supposed to notice this?

TECH: Oh, no: we just respond to customer complaints.

Now, the tech only came out because I insisted there must be something they could do, because this client's T1 had experienced 4 outages in 2 months.  That's 4 "customer complaints," just from me!  Even so, no-one thought to do any kind of diagnostic.  

The tech was about to take down the DSU/CSU to do 2 hours of diagnostics on the equipment in the client's office, when I stopped him.  He agreed it didn't make any sense to take down a 24-hour operation whose backup Internet access was still out, given the huge number of faults from the upstream box, but it was on his work order, so he was about to do it anyway.

Decades ago, I had Mindspring dial-up Internet access, and THEY were good about monitoring their network equipment, for their customers paying $20 a month!  But AT&T can't bother to do network monitoring for T1's?  I can't wait until Clearwire or someone else like that comes to town.

As far as I know, 3 months later, the DSL still isn't working there.  I have heard the owner shouting at the AT&T rep (on the phone) from the next room, but she can't straighten out whatever administrative snafu has it turned off.

At least the T1's been good since they swapped out that card.


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So Called Project Managers[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 12:15:49 PM PDT

"six people on a conference call and none of them actually DO anything. They are all project managers that don't really get it." What a great line. I had a crotchety old manager who hated dealing with "account managers", "project managers", "customer satifaction managers" and other similar types. Whenever one would show up, he'd begin the conversation with a technical question. When the "salesman in disguise" (his term) couldn't answer, he's stand up, end the meeting and tell the other person he'd like to talk more, but next time please bring someone who really knew how to do the stuff he was talking about. On every project this guy ran (while I knew him) he somehow managed to get the people who actually DID stuff on the phone during the project. Your wonderful post reminded me of him. James S. Huggins

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AT&T email[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 01:17:51 PM PDT

For the last couple months, certain legitimate people have been unable to get messages through to my att.net email address. For one person, whose email address didn't change, suddendly her messages couldn't get through to me due to some kind of timeout. In other cases I can't receive email from companies such as Southwest Airlines. AT&T claims it's had a temporary problem only on specific occasions, and I can't get them to do a thing.

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AT&T Fails to Communicate[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 02:17:09 PM PDT

Back in the 90's we leased a frame relay line from AT&T that happened to cross state lines. During troubleshooting, it rapidly became clear that the two crews in each state had no way to directly communicate with each other. All corporate communications had to travel up the bureaucratic chain through national HQ, and then back down to the other end. Problems that could have been solved in minutes took days, or weeks.

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I used to be one of those PROJECT MANAGERS...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 03:13:05 PM PDT

And the poster's description is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. While I handled "CPE" installations (routers, voip phone systems, etc.) I had to coordinate circuit delivery with the network side of the company. I was given the run-around and the rude treatment just as much as the customers, and I was a FELLOW EMPLOYEE! Working for the phone company for 4 years was a miserable experience - something I will never repeat.

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disasters, pandemics, and corporate america[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by aoz on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 06:31:24 PM PDT

and anybody who thinks we stand a chance, in a pandemic disaster, needs to read the fiasco's such as this one..... actually, get a case of beer,sit on the mountain, wait for the flash.... anyway ...

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The worst[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 06:28:51 PM PDT

I feel for the original poster. I've had an unbelievable number of horrid experiences with AT&T (aka SBC aka Pacific Bell).

We had a DS3 install a few years back and SBC showed up on the committed install date, said, gee, we don't own that multiplexor. Fine, I said, go get one - this is the promised date. Took 5 months. Basically the MUX in the building was leased to a company going bankrupt and SBC simply dragged their heels till they could take it back rather than install one to meet their promises.

At a prior company we took over office space with a Centrex system. SBC never did figure out what type of system we had and repeatedly sent the wrong techs to troubleshoot. We moved before they got it straightened out.

At the new place they put in a data T1. Don't even get me started....

But looking at their stock price and profit, incompetence is apparently profitable.

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The Business Model Has Changed[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by madsailor on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 06:06:56 AM PDT

All of this indicates that the business model for companies has changed from providing a product or a service to customers to providing money to shareholders. This not-so-subtle shift in philosophy pervades almost every company. As long as we pay the bill there's no incentive to provide true customer service. Why should they - they get paid whether their product or service works or not. And we take it and take it and take it. It's our fault as much as it is theirs.

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AT&T Big Vendors[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 06:15:15 AM PDT

I have had similiar issues with the "new AT&T" which means they took the shoddy cusotmer service model from the old SBC and messed their service. My experience has been most issues revolve on how good your local rep is and so far I have not been successful with a responsive rep from the old SBC or the New AT&T. Other big vendors have been much nore responsive hence my decision to remove AT&T wherever possible from my telecom strategy.

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The "New AT&T"[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 11:48:32 AM PDT

I had a good relationship with my old SBC account rep, but he didn't make the cut for the "New AT&T". On a recent SW Indiana T-1 outage, I had to communicate through a technician in Indianapolis, an inside rep in Atlanta, an outside rep in Louisville, and an advocate that was assigned to me located in California. I told them I don't want to hear the term "Legacy S' anymore. Our "new" corporate decision is to move as much business away from AT&T as possible.

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Some customers are more equal than others[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by jimdoria on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 07:10:24 AM PDT

Hmmm... Do you suppose the government gets this kind of incomptence and bumbling from AT&T when they try to install their network spying and phone call eavesdropping gizmos? A cheeering thought, but somehow I doubt it.

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ATT customer service is an oxymoron.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 11:10:39 AM PDT

This thread is only confirmation that ATT is not just out to get you, they really are that bad. From the time of the AT&T "breakup" until now, ATT as a corporation has continually allocated less and less resources to customer service. Yes, the exceptional "rep" can be of significant lift, but the support infrastructure is so taxed from under investment for decades, there is NO hope. Get yourself an agent working for a firm made up of ex-ATTers whose business model allows them to go to War for you. Unless of course, you are Fortune 200 and have a staff of telecom experts already doing ATTs work for them, just ditch 'um.

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AT&T (formerly SBC ) is worst possible[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 05:17:45 PM PDT

Your story reminds me of what happened in 2005 when I tried to consolidate all telecom and data services with SBC. We had plants in Atlanta and Bakersfield, CA at the time and I was promised the moon by SBC. Contracts were signed in Feb. with installation and cutover to be done by the end of April. Well things went bad and installation was finally finished up the following January. I should have cancelled everything after I was paid a visit by the internal security people for SBC. It seems our salesman sold us a contract with a monthly min. of $1,000 of long distance but changed the contract after it was signed to a monthly min. of $100,000. of long distance. Again that should have been the sign to bail but I made the mistake of not cancelling. Long story shortened, after many months of pain and many different SBC Vice Presidents involved, they finally got circuits in but they couldn't keep them up. Now jump ahead to earlier this year. I am working for a different company and had short notice to move an office accross Atlanta to a new building. In less than 4 weeks the then USLec was able to provision new circuits, test and bring them live. In fact they were so good that when I called them on my cell phone to tell them I was taking down the router at the old location and to make the swap to the new circuits, they were able to get it done such that when I arrived at the new office and plugged in the router, the new circuit was live and everything worked. Now USLec has changed their name to Paetec, but the service still works great. Stay away from AT&T and use Paetec instead.

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