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Microsoft E-Learning Needs a Lesson in Security

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 12:11:37 AM PDT

Security is a top priority for most organizations these days, and certainly Microsoft proclaims that it's job number one in Redmond. Which is why one reader found it very strange that Microsoft would insist on using his credit card number as ID for an E-Learning account.


"I had an interesting experience recently in trying to sign up a client to a Microsoft E-Learning account," the reader wrote. "I used my credit card to pay the $9.99 course fee, planning to let a user at the client do the course. After I signed up, there was no way to remove my credit card from the account. I didn't want the user to be free to charge additional courses, but once the credit card was attached it seemed to be there and free to use."

The reader contacted Microsoft to see how to let the client's user take the course without having access to his credit card. "After hours spent talking to various support lines, I was disturbed at what they said," the reader wrote. "There is no way to remove a credit card from the E-Learning account, short of deleting the account -- which prevents you from using the course that you paid for. Why is that? It seems that somehow the user identity is intimately tied not only to his e-mail address, but also to the credit card itself. At least, so they said. I'm not sure if this is some anti-fraud thing, DRM scheme, or what. There is no legitimate need to keep the credit card number as there might be, for example, with an online VOIP service where the monthly charge may vary. The course charge is fixed at the beginning of the transaction."

The reader did notice something that might explain why Microsoft has set the E-Learning payment system up this way. "A related and somewhat annoying issue is that Microsoft apparently will not sell this to corporate accounts using a common credit card," the reader wrote. "They limit a single credit card to two users. E-Learning is included as part of the Software Assurance licensing program, but if you don't have SA then there is no way that they could suggest for a corporation to buy E-Learning directly. My client is currently buying SA licenses, so this problem will go away for us. But what is going on here -- is this another way of forcing Software Assurance on people who don't want it?"

Whatever Microsoft's reasons, the reader thinks Redmond still has some lessons to learn when it comes to security. "I find it disturbing that a major vendor would use credit card numbers for anything except billing," the reader concludes. "After all, one of the points of something like Paypal is to keep your credit cards away from vendors."

Have you seen a vendor playing a little too fast and loose with customer information? Tell us about it by posting your comments below or by writing me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Microsoft E-Learning Needs a Lesson in Security | 17 comments (17 topical) | Post A Comment
I can see an advantage to them[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by LasVegan on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 07:25:53 AM PDT

By tying the credit card to it like that you make it very undesirable to let anyone else use your class. It sounds like an anti-piracy measure.

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Close.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by sconeu on Fri Oct 26, 2007 at 09:19:53 AM PDT

By tying the credit card to it like that they make it very undesirable to let you use their class.

There.  Fixed it for you. :-)

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There's a way around it[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 06:38:33 AM PDT

Buy a Visa gift card for that amount and use that.

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PCI data security standard?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Sat Oct 27, 2007 at 11:50:55 AM PDT

After hearing so much chatter about the PCI data security standard, I have to wonder if this doesn't violate it in some way. If it doesn't, it sure makes me wonder what improvements are offered by the PCI data security standard.

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cancel the credit card, if possible[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 06:52:14 AM PDT

which would certainly stop any additional charges, even if it is a pain.
DishNetwork routinely asks for a credit card number "for credit purposes" as a requirement for service (or, at least, used to). The "credit purpose" is so they can charge the card if you are late with or stop making payments, or cancel the service early. It's in the fine print on the form on which you list the credit card number (but guess what percent of people actually read that?)
DN salespersons have actually suggested to potential customers that if they do not have a credit card, they get a check/debit card from their bank. The customer does this, and 7 or 8 months later, after they stop paying the bill because they have moved somewhere that they can no longer receive the service, they find a $249 charge on their bank account (for the receiver and dish), and another charge for the remaining service months - charges that they don't understand and don't think they agreed to.
Savvy customers who read the fine print would request a debit card, get the dishnetwork system installed, then call and cancel the debit card. (Effectively ruining DNs preferred method of recourse for the owed charges.)
The point being, even if MS won't untie the CC number from the account, you still have a way of making sure it isn't used again. You may even be able to call your CC company, explain what's going on exactly as you've written here, and get them to transfer the account to a new card number and close the current card. Just don't forget to update any autopay accounts that use this card!

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Advantage -- Customer[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 10:21:42 AM PDT

Thanks to competition, I guess. I remember when I first got telephone service, they made sure you didn't run off with their equipment or not pay the monthly bill by requiring a deposit. Taking the credit card number is basically a kinder deposit (since you aren't out the money) but does open up the possibility of the service provider being scammed by the customer.

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Virtual Cards[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 09:53:15 AM PDT

http://www.orbiscom.com/product.php?product=cpn Depending on the controls set by the cardholder (or the card issuer) the number can be good for one transaction or for multiple transactions. Pity about lack of Vista support though :-(

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Virtual Cards[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 09:57:45 AM PDT

2nd try

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CC #'s[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 04:31:46 PM PDT

I have a Visa/Mastercard account for collecting payments. They are quite adamant about security of the credit card number, and MS's use of it in this way is in direct conradiction to Visa's policy. The card number is never supposed to be exposed to anyone but the owner, and the people in the company who need to see it to process it. Using it as an account id is an asinine misuse of the number.

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Disposable credit card numbers[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by jabba17 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 06:17:49 PM PDT

Some credit card issuers (Discover, AmEx?) will issue you "disposable" credit card numbers that are only good for one charge.

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For a price, yes.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:05:07 AM PDT

Read the above.

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