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Amazon Makes You Lie to Log Off

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 11:57:11 PM PDT

Are e-commerce websites making it harder and harder for users to log off? That's certainly a trend one reader has seen evidence of, including confirmation from Amazon that the best way to sign out from your account is to lie to them about who you are.


"Over the last few months it has become very difficult to sign out of a session from sites like Amazon and PayPal," the reader wrote. "The 'Sign Out' or equivalent link that for years was at the top of nearly every page is now missing from nearly all pages of those sites. Even the most obvious page where a sign out link should be -- the page acknowledging completion of an order -- offers no way to log out. Amazon and PayPal have turned things upside down and instead of closing a session, they now want us to remain logged in after leaving their site. Why would they do that? What good does it do Amazon and PayPal when their customers minimize the browser or surf to another site while signed in?"

The reader was particularly bothered by what appears to be the only procedure now for logging out of an Amazon account. "Amazon offers a moronic - i.e., counterintuitive -- solution to signing out. You have to find a page on the site that has 'If you're not (your name), click here' and click on it, thereby saying you're not you. This convoluted procedure is too bizarre to be unplanned or mere Webmaster gaffe, so something's going on."

The reader wrote to Amazon to ask about this odd system, pointing out that staying logged in all the time increases the security risk for customers. To its credit, Amazon responded to his message. (The reader also wrote PayPal about the sign out links he believe are missing from some pages, but PayPal has not responded.) The Amazon representative confirmed that the proper process for logging out is to:

"1. Click the link near the top of the home page that says "If you're not ____, click here.
2. On the next page, leave the e-mail and password spaces blank and click the Amazon.com tab at the top of the page."

The e-mail also included some of the reasons why Amazon thinks a customer might want to stay logged in:

"HOW DOES LOGGING OUT AFFECT MY SHOPPING EXPERIENCE?
When you log out of Amazon.com, access to your Shopping Cart, 1-Click shopping, and recommendations disappears along with your name. To regain access to the items saved in your cart, to place orders, or to view recommended items, you'll need to log in again. Just click the 'personalized recommendations' link that appears near the top of the page, and enter your e-mail address and password. "

But in a subsequent e-mail, an Amazon representative also acknowledged that there are indeed some security risks in staying logged in:

"If the particular system which you are using is being shared with any another user, and if you leave your system with out logging out from your account of Amazon.com, they will be able to view your account information and also will able to place an order from your account. So, I request you to log out from your account before leaving the system."

In other words, while Amazon admits staying logged in to your account is probably not a good idea, they nonetheless want to make it as hard as possible for you to sign out. And it's pretty obvious why Amazon and other e-commerce sites would prefer you stay logged in all the time. If a search engine or online ad leads you to an Amazon page selling what you think you might want to buy, they want to make it as easy as possible for you to indulge the impulse. If you don't have to log in to your accounts, it's far more likely you'll buy from them. So it's a pretty simple equation: the fewer clicks it takes to buy, and the more clicks it takes to log out, the more money for Amazon.

But of course, the other factor in that equation is that the harder it is for you to log out from a site where you can spend money, the greater the security risk to you. That certainly is what the reader concludes. "We cannot expect a business today to do anything but what benefits them, and that often harms customers," he wrote. "There's only one possible reason to change an easy sign out to an obscure, counterintuitive one requiring lying: Amazon wants users to leave the site while signed in because that results in more charges to their account than if they signed out. Since some of those charges could involve theft encouraged by Amazon, I think that's despicable."

Are e-commerce sites making it harder and harder for you to hold on to your money? Tell us what you think by posting your comments below or writing me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Marketing as an Addictive Drug[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by srynas on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 05:48:52 AM PDT

I have not noticed this issue, and I recently bought from Amazon.  I may have simply closed the tab when I finished ordering, so I never noticed.

What I have noticed with e-retailing sites such as Amazon and Ebay (I avoid PayPal) is their increased "corruption" (diffusion).  By "corruption" I don't mean to imply anything illegal, by "corruption" I mean that they are losing focus on what made them great retail innovations.  In the quest to make profits they have entered into joint marketing with "partners" and instituted hyper-aggressive marketing practices.  In the end, aggressive marketing, will be counter productive.  

I have noticed that Amazon runs personalized ads on webpages that I am looking at. (Remember the scene in Minority Report where the TVs play personalized ads to Anderton.) While I am not particularly concerned about this, it does point  to the issue of Ed's post that you are "always" logged into Amazon and that you are being tracked.

When ordering from Amazon, at times I am not really sure who I am buying the product from.  I find this really annoying.  Having access to multiple vendors is conceptually good.  But I like to know who I am dealing with.  Further, Amazon's screen is busy and cluttered which makes it difficult to figure out.  I have to assume that this is being done on purpose.

When ordering from Amazon, I have noticed that Amazon has an Intuit, Ebay, PayPal EULA style (which appear to deprive the customer of any recourse). So far I have just ignored it, but I find it very disappointing.

After reading Ed's post, it occurs to me that I have essentially stopped considering Ebay as a retail opportunity.  Whether I will use Ebay again is indeterminate for now.

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This has always bothered me, too[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 07:39:26 AM PDT

In fact, I recently published this tip on TipBin:

http://tipbin.com/tips/detail/355

Amazon has actually always been this way.  This isn't new.  It's annoying, but it actually isn't a security issue.  Amazon has two concepts of sessions.  The first, which never ends if Amazon can help it, just identifies who you are, and allows Amazon to make all kinds of product suggestions when first get to the site.  The second allows you access to purchasing and account information.  In other words, even though Amazon knows who you are, you always have to log in a second time to access any sensitive data.

Christian

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Yep, that's right[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:44:45 PM PDT

Christian is right: Amazon has always been this way (or at least for several years). It's not something that's happened "over the last few months" as the article says.

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Actually, it IS a security risk[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by ObviousTroll on Fri Oct 05, 2007 at 07:08:44 AM PDT

There's a class of security breaches similar to cross-site scripting that basically get you to click a link that then uses your own browser and credentials to access a secured site. I'm a bit vague on the details because I just learned about it while listening to a podcast on pauldotcom.com. (To the editors: that security question is a bit obnoxious; I'm not a car expert or a dog enthusiast - it took me a while to be sure a "whippet" wasn't a British sports car... ;-) )

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PayPal has a log out link[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 08:22:23 AM PDT

I just checked using my PayPal account and I saw a log out link at the top of every page I visited. Perhaps they remove the link when you are in the middle of a process that requires several pages, but in general PayPal makes it easy to log out and is great about educating their users about security (good thing because it is probably the most targeted site there is). I wonder why some people flip out and say "Never use PayPal"--to me it sounds like they don't know how to protect themselves online and should not be doing any financial transactions online if that is the case (though I suppose shopping with a credit card is somewhat safe for them because the credit card company is required to carry the burden of fraudulent use).

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Paypal using ebay's instant checkout[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:47:15 AM PDT

When I buy something from ebay using Paypal, after completing the transaction, the "sign out" button that used to be on the final screen is no longer there.  Now, I click on the "My Account" (or similar) button to take me to the main Paypal page, and log out from there.

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Paypal logs your out automatically[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:18:22 AM PDT

Paypal will log you off automatically after 5 to 10 minutes of inactivity automatically. Paypal has no incentive to leave you logged in, it's a security risk to your funds if a computer is being shared.

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Not to open up a can of worms here[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:05:54 PM PDT

but I know a few people who won't touch Paypal, and they seem to be more concerned about Paypal stealing their money than J. Random Hacker. In short, it seems that Paypal wants to enjoy all the privileges of being a bank with none of the responsibilities or oversight.

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Yep[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by sconeu on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:58:48 PM PDT

And I'm one of those paranoid people.

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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Citizen Moron[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Sat Oct 06, 2007 at 01:02:05 AM PDT

Un, yes, an attribute shared by 300 million humans, and deserving of 3.3333333333333333333333333333333e-9 of the respect one might have for the country.

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You betcha.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by ObviousTroll on Fri Oct 05, 2007 at 07:11:40 AM PDT

I'm one of them.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#42)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 01:38:44 AM PDT

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Firefox for the win[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 09:36:18 AM PDT

Use Firefox. Hit CTRL+Shift+Del. This will clear private data. You may need to go into the options to have it remove cookies, because I don't think it will do it by default.

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Clear Cookies -- *always* clear cookies[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:26:31 AM PDT

Instant logout, no permission from marketdroids necessary.

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You missed a reason why Amazon wants you logged on[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Marley on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:10:38 AM PDT

As you browse, Amazon tracks the items you looked at. Your recommendations are based not only on the items you buy, but also the ones you viewed.

I log off every time. If someone followed me into a store and made a note of every time I stopped and looked at or picked up an item, I'd punch them in the nose.

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Amazon and the market[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:15:51 AM PDT

My solution to Amazon is simple. I shop elsewhere. I used to enjoy shopping on Amazon but I no longer feel that my shopping experience is truly secure.

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Logging out of Amazon.com[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:27:09 AM PDT

The only solution to this sort of abuse is for everyone reading this blog who has an account on Amazon.com to send Amazon customer service an E-mail that you will place no more orders until the Log Out icon reappears. This is easy to do on the Amazon web site. I did it myself, and it took less than 5 minutes. Do it now! If customers don't let these #@$!!% know what we think about their abuse, they'll think we're O.K. with it.

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This is why??[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 10:39:34 AM PDT

I had noticed this trend and never understood why it was happening. Now I understand. "Despicable" is the correct term.

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Nothing new[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:30:01 AM PDT

You wrote "If you don't have to log in to your accounts, it's far more likely you'll buy from them. So it's a pretty simple equation: the fewer clicks it takes to buy, and the more clicks it takes to log out, the more money for Amazon". I believe this is not true (did you try it to test your theory???). At some point along the way, you WILL need to give your userid and password. Amazon is strange.. I have a Marketplace account to sell stuff. I can actually list things without having to logon to my account but if I go to view my online inventory, it asks for me to logon. Anyway, I've never considered it to be a big deal and it's sad that you are treating it like it is something new and exciting.

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Maybe they're tracking user behavior[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 12:12:05 PM PDT

I suspect that these sites, which are known for targeted marketing, are gathering information that they can tie to your account. By making it easy for users who think they are more secure by logging out, they are losing valuable information about users who use their site that may even benefit the consumer. The obvious security issue is if you stay logged in, someone who has physical access to your computer while you are logged in may be able to make fraudulant purchases. Personally, if frauds have access to your computer you have bigger problems to worry about. Additionally is someone can remotely access your desktop over the internet, they could perhaps try to buy something while your not looking. Again if you have a problem like this, staying logeed in to Amazon et. al. is again not your big problem. So, moral of the story, be sure to log out of your computer when you walk away from it to prevent any kind of unauthorized access. Logging out of a web site is a false sense of security.

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It's Google, too[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 10:14:42 AM PDT

"I suspect that these sites, which are known for targeted marketing, are gathering information that they can tie to your account."

Seconded. Google does this too; if you use gmail or google groups and don't log out you'll find that you are "recognized" at search pages, comment posting forms at some blogs, and elsewhere on the net. That's where it visibly seems to know who you are. Given the nature of Google's business I'll bet your searches, blog participation, and other non-gmail non-gg activities are being tracked in some huge database they mine, probably for targeting AdWords.

Of course, it stands to reason that you're recognized and may get creepily targeted advertising whenever you later encounter an AdWords block on a random Web site while logged in to gmail.

More than that, though, there's Google Analytics. If you know what you're doing you can check if a given site uses it, because if it does it will load a script called "urchin.js" from a Google Analytics domain. The potential for tracking between a perpetual gmail logon and Google Analytics covers an even larger subset of the web than AdWords blocks -- perhaps half of it(!)...

Of course you can log out. Google-affiliated pages that actually explicitly recognize your gmail id offer a logout link (and a login link when you're logged out). This includes Google itself, SERPs, those blog comment pages, and of course gmail itself and google groups.

Firefox provides more potent defenses against this type of tracking. Aside from cookie munching options, you can install two useful extensions: Adblock and Tab Permissions. The former lets you block, in fact, any loadable page elements, not just images and Flash. Images of course can be blocked with a couple of mouse clicks on the offending animated .gif. Flash can be done via the Adblock menu accessed by right clicking "Adblock" in the lower right corner of the browser tab, and "Overlay Flash", then click anything now showing "Flashblock" that used to show something animated, annoying, and advertising some product you'll never buy. But you can block anything by left-clicking that "Adblock" if you know what you're doing. Sorting the table that appears by URL helps, as everything "native" to the site you're at will clump, as will everything native to doubleclick.net, Google, and so forth. This makes locating dubious off-site materials, even 1x1px Web bugs and questionable tiny iframes, easy -- and killing them, too. Best of all, you can nail any Javascript loaded by external file. Iframe killing lets you nail AdWords blocks (and can also, I think, be accomplished by right clicking in the iframe.) Javascript you can block includes urchin.js, the Google Analytics tracking bug. So much for your every step on the Web being tied to your gmail account then. As an extra added bonus feature, the scripts responsible for "Intellitxt" and similar-style advertising, which turns words in the editorial content of a page into links to irrelevant stuff (read: advertising partners) and is seriously unethical (blurs the line between advertising and content!) can also be nailed. Try just inserting a block rule for "intellitxt.js" to get rid of Intellitxt; reload a page that had the bogus links and it will be refreshingly clean and readable and the only links you'll see will be genuine links that were actually inserted by the author of the content. Nifty!

Where Tab Permissions comes in is with the small but growing set of sites that try to block Firefox+Adblock users. The examples I've seen so far rely on Javashit to pull off their tricks. Installing Tab Permissions initially seems not to alter your Firefox. You need to customize a toolbar first -- there are now new icons for things like "disable meta redirections" and "disable Javascript" that you can add to a toolbar. Those are the two you want, by the way; I put mine between the address bar and the google search box. If you hit a site that says it's blocking you because you block ads, disable JS and reload. If you get redirected to a page that just says "This site requires Javascript", as is all too likely, disable meta redirects and hit back, and if you end up back 2 steps, hit the link you originally followed. If you still see "This site requires Javascript" or the site is now simply blank, mangled, or unnavigable, then you're probably going to have to either skip it or resort to IE (ugh), no thanks to their evil use of scripts presumably to render all of the content that should just be HTML. :P But I've run into very few of those so far. (You can also try disabling Adblock for the one site and see if it works then. It's also possible that they use server-side methods to exclude all Firefox users. If they do something that evil, you'd best just ignore them, but if you really must use their evil, horrid site, you can also find tools to spoof the browser's self-identification as Internet Exploder or whatever else.)

With a bit of experience and those extensions, a Firefox user should be able to greatly increase their surfing privacy; only the sites you visited will directly know that you visited them, and all they'll have is your IP address, which usually means the most they know is your city and your choice of internet provider (assuming you even had one). Third parties like Google will know nothing unless the site shares its server logs around or something.

This public service announcement was brought to you by the letters 'F' and 'U' and the number 600613. ;)

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Bah[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 10:22:01 AM PDT

Autoformat is apparently not the sharpest knife in the drawer. The thing to use to block intellitxt is *intellitxt*.js

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#41)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 01:35:52 AM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#40)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 01:00:10 AM PDT

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Amazon MP3 Downloads[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 02:00:22 PM PDT

I was able to purchase songs from the new Amazon MP3 Download store without having to enter my Amazon userid/password. For more see
http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13554_1-9788009-33.html
Michael Horowitz

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So you're still logged in?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 07:14:19 AM PDT

I'm thinking the worst that can really happen is someone comes upon your logged in session and orders a bunch of stuff that gets billed to you AND also sent to you... You would also get email notifications of the purchases in time to cancel 'em

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Amazon[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by laf1157 on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 07:13:12 AM PDT

As for risking someone else buying on your account at Amazon, that doesn't seem to be an issue. For one, you have to login again when you checkout, especially if you add an item to an order. Secondly, if you add a new shipping address, you have to reenter your credit card information. If you clear your browser cache and delete your cookies, you've effectively "logged out". This won't clear your shopping cart. It will clear who you are until you log in again. As to someone else seeing what you looked at before, short of using a sniffer while you were shopping, they'd need a copy of your Amazon cookie using the same browser.
L. Free
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Is problem with "One Click"[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 07:36:20 AM PDT

I disable One Click and feel perfectly secure. I wonder if One Click is enabled if you can order without the login confirmation? Frankly, I've found the suggestions Amazon makes based on your history to be valuable and I favor the site for all purchases of items they sell. I never log out, but then I don't use public systems. The original subject title about having to lie is sensationalistic and an exageration. EBay/PayPal seem to have many safeguards as well.

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it is sensationalistic [ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 08:27:12 AM PDT

Yea this is really sensationalistic it requires that people are using the same account and that you are not cleaning out your cookies. Every system in th past 7+ years has had individual accounts and there have been ways of automating having your cookies deleted. So that leave low tech places where you have a single account and no setup, the only places I have seen is in small hotels where they have a free computer to do some mail checking. Those systems are easy to notice and you are foolish to enter any type of password on them, it is not that cookies it is all the spyware and loggers that are probably running on them. Simple solution to that is just click on the buttons to clear the cookies and history before you leave the computer. If you have Firefox available set it to delete cookies when you leave firefox.

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Amazon still protects your account data[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by davidspalding on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 08:45:28 AM PDT

What's the fuss? Amazon won't let you access "My Account" or check out without a username and password being provided, even if you look "logged in." Paypal has a LOGOUT link on most every page, except the mid-process transaction pages. It's at the top-right, where it can be easily found (Wachovia's online banking pages have it in the same place). So what's the fuss? Compared with other Gripelog issues, this one is barely a blip on the fringe of my radar.

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by Carrie on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:12:12 PM PDT

I haven't noticed this before. I'm not a frequent user of Amazon but I use Paypal quite much and I have never paid attention to that. However if this is true it's real bad since it's not secure at all.
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Great Article[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
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