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Norton Goes Back on Documented Features

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 08:50:58 AM PDT

Here's an interesting twist on the old bait-and-switch. Carefully describe some nice features in the product's documentation, but then require the customer to buy a more expensive version of the product to get them. That's what one reader is left to understand Symantec did to him.


"I purchased and installed Norton Internet Security 2006," the reader wrote. "On pages 20-22 of the User Guide, it says the system comes with Data Recovery and Performance features. Based upon that guide, I tried to find out why those features weren't working. Specifically it states: 'Limited or no protection in a category may often be resolved by adjusting a category setting.' I couldn't figure out how to adjust the setting because I kept getting 'not available.' So I contacted Symantec."

First the reader tried online customer service, but they couldn't help him. "I then sent three - yes, three - e-mails to technical support," the reader wrote. "What a joke! They kept sending me a canned response saying that if I want the data recovery feature I have to spend $50 more for additional software. All I wanted to know is whether NIS 2006 actually has the features which I was unable to uninstall, but I couldn't get anyone to answer that simple question. And then they talk at you like you're an idiot when you ask why the features are not included when the User Guide clearly says they are."

Eventually the reader received a slightly more comprehensible e-mail saying that the missing features are in Norton GoBack, which is included in the Norton SystemWorks suite for $50 more than Norton Internet Security. While it's still not completely, the reader guesses he just has to accept the fact the two features described in the NIS manual just aren't in the product. "A person pays $73.00 expecting to get certain features according to the User Guide and it turns out they have to pay an additional minimum of at least $50 to get just a portion of those features. It would appear that Symantec decided it could make more money by selling those two features as a separate package after the User Guide had already been printed, which is nothing short of false advertising, intentionally misleading the consumer and essentially pulling a fast one."

The reader says he would have been far less upset if he had just been able to get a straight answer from Symantec support. "Instead of treating people like they are baffoons, they could have just said the the User Guide is wrong for whatever reason," the reader wrote. "It became apparent to me that people at Symantec either do not read e-mail for content or they simply don't care. Perhaps a course in reading comprehension might resolve consumer issues more quickly and certainly giving straight-forward, accurate answers would definitely be an improvement! I like Norton products. I think they are the best on the market. But I have a terrible problem with their support people. I'd rather be shot than have to deal with them."

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The quick solution[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by The Masked Marauder on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 10:45:14 AM PDT

1. Return the software for a refund (a full refund, since it is missing features that are listed in the manual).

2. Tell Symantec to get stuffed.

3. Use freebie software instead (ZoneAlarm and avast! antivirus come to mind).



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Symantec for the home user has gone WAY downhill..[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 12:52:51 PM PDT

Symantec is coasting on their success throughout the nineties (and with Antivirus, perhaps up to 2004). But they're no longer offering the quality products they used to be.

I agree with the first user, take the software back, and argue politely (and then vehemently, if politely fails) that it doesn't do what is advertised. If you have Windows XP, either use its firewall, or add ZoneAlarm, or Sunbelt Kerio Personal Firewall (free addition) and Avast! Antivirus, all of which will cost you zippo, zilch, nada. If you need a web-filtering product for the kids, pay for that product alone, and for spyware protection, use the free AdAware SE, Spybot Search & Destroy, and Microsoft Windows Defender products. Beat Symantec at their own game --without paying a dime.

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...or dispute the charge.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 02:53:33 PM PDT

Just dispute the charge with your credit card company. Or you can inform Symantec that you expect to get the extra feature for $0 or you will contact the BBB, the FTC, and the state Attorney General's office since you have it in writing that feature is supposed to be there...

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Symantec[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 11:26:04 AM PDT

Well, personally, I think this is STEALING. Symantec sold you a bag of goods/features, and NEVER INTENDED ON GIVING YOU ALL THE FEATURES TO BEGIN WITH. I would report them to the Attorney General. To be honest, I find most of them to be fairly cooperative(the AG) in allowing you to make a complaint. I never thought I would be complaining to the AG about software...but I have in the past and will in the future.

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Hey man its not a problem with symantec[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 02:06:28 PM PDT

I would appreciate if you can check the manual again, no where its mentioned that data recovery or performance software is provided with nis. If you look into deeply, its clearly mentioned that there is a Norton protection center included with NIS which provides information on those catagories. if you want data protection you need to buy it separatly.

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Norton[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by LJKREN on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 08:39:23 AM PDT

I too have had problems with Norton. I have used it for years, but since Symantec took it over you will not find any type of service from them, unless it is web based. They seem to forget who pays their wages. I purchased both the Systemworks 2006 and Firewall program in July of 2006. After many installs and reinstalls, it worked partially. But whenever Liveupdate was run, I could not access the Internet. After many phone calls over several weeks, because after Live Update would run, and I was back to square one. Yesterday, Nov 3, 2006 was the last straw. I called tech support????, and was told that I needed to pay $29.95 before they could help me. After talking to a suprivisor and a manager that both told me they could do nothing, but the service was free on the Internet. When I explained I could not get on the net, they told me to go somewhere else and use someone elses computer to get to their programs. Wow!! What service!! I have just uninstalled all of my Norton products, and my computer is running much faster, and once again, I can access the net. Their programs were worse than any Trojan or Virus I ever had on my Computer, and to think I paid for it!!

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A trend continues[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by srynas on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 01:20:35 PM PDT

Many years ago I had Cleansweep, which at the time was not a Symantec product. Symantec then bought Cleansweep. One year they offered it as a freebee when you bought the Norton anti-virus program. So I got the new version only two find that one of the features was now missing, the registry editor program. Ironically it was still listed under the help tab. Anyway, contacting Symantec technical was a joke. They refused to acknowledge that this feature had been removed and kept telling me that I had to buy another program. They finally offered to give me a refund, but of course at the time it was a useless gesture since I had gotten it for free. I have not bought Symantec product since.

As an aside, the actions of Symantec are reprehensible. First, a product upgrade has components removed without mentioning the fact to consumers. 2. Symantec was too stupid to even remove references to a disabled portion of the program. This implies that they didn't put to much time or development effort into the supposedly new program. 3. These underhanded actions make me wonder whether the original Cleansweep program was even actually upgraded.

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Bad[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by tcsbiz on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 05:47:03 PM PDT

Norton continues to alienate customers. How do they stay in business? Also, NIS is a resource hog. This link shows the top software that slows down machines. NIS is right on top.

http://www.thepcspy.com/articles/other/what_slows_windows_down/1

Tom.

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Do not buy any Symantec (and Microsoft) software[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 03:37:52 AM PDT

I stopped buying Symantec products way back in 2004 when they started introducing Product Activation into their softwares. Now I just use AVG antivirus which is fast and consume little resources. I do not have a piece of Symantec software installed on my PC.

Also, I love PartitionMagic when it was a standalone product. After it was acquired by Symantec there has been no further updates to it and was just shoved into a corner.

I recommend we all stop buying Symantec and Microsoft softwares. These 2 companies do not care about home users anymore. I certainly won't buy their products anymore (and I will never pay to "upgrade" to Windows Vista).

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Documented Features[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Sat Sep 16, 2006 at 08:06:41 AM PDT

You should definitely file a complaint with you states attorney general. YOu should also demand a refund for the product and choose a more trustworthy vendor.

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Ahead Nero does the same[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 07:32:12 AM PDT

I bought a DVD drive that came with OEM Nero. Certain plugins advertised on the outside of the box that affected my purchase decision did not work as described in the manual or on Nero's website. Specifically AC3 encoding was not supported. The software also crippled my existing Nero installation by removing my copy of Wave-Editor. The copy of Wave-Editor in the newer version wasn't activated. I did a little search and found a SN crack for the product and oila AC3 encoding now worked.


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NSW $50 more than NIS? In what universe??[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 02:37:32 PM PDT

Where did the user find Norton Systemworks costing $50 more than Norton Internet Security? They are typically the same price. And anyone who bothers to look can find either of them for free after rebate on an almost weekly basis. And once you own one Norton product, you can use it to get the upgrade rebates (the 2006 upgrade rebates even take PHOTOCOPIES of the CD, so it's virtually limitless). In any event, as someone else said, Norton has a money back guarantee, so just return NIS and buy NSW instead.

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Do you live in a Cave?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by VonSkippy on Tue Sep 19, 2006 at 03:37:56 PM PDT

Where have you been the last 5-6 years where EVERY tech trade rag in the world has written about how much Symantec sucks? Next time, do your homework.

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Eh[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 06:22:44 AM PDT

This is a bit unsympathetic and hostile. Clearly, although Symantec has gotten bad press, it's not reached the point that "only idiots would buy it". Unfortunately, lots of people (surely they can't all be idiots, just uninformed or too willing to trust a corporate PR machine over Internet gossip) obviously continue to buy Symantec products, or the problem would already have taken care of itself by means of Symantec's bankruptcy or leveraged buyout by better management.

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Too bad for the Norton name[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Willy on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 06:22:47 AM PDT

I'm really sorry that Peter Norton's name has turned so foul. I owned early versions of the Norton Utilities and Norton Commander. Both of them were excellent products at fair prices with great support. When Norton sold to Symantec, Symantec was a much smaller company with a goofy word processor/database product. I continued to buy the Utilities for a few versions until it was clear it had become buggy bloatware which was terribly supported. I don't know how Symantec became such a large company. It certainly wasn't through quality software or great support. Perhaps there was some soul selling going on.

From the little I have heard of Peter Norton in the past 10 year, I still hold him in the highest regard (although going away from the rolled-up sleeve look was a mistake in my book). I wish Symantec would remove what remains of Norton's good name from their products and label them with the Symantec brand.

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Norton[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 07:48:11 AM PDT

I quit using Norton products 6 years ago when I was a computer coordinator for a school district. I had to completely reformat a HD that had a Norton product on it. Is used to be the best company out there, that is used to be.

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less and less for more and more[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 10:07:37 AM PDT

I started using Norton Utilities back in the old DOS days. I would upgrade with each new version, finding new features and/or improvements on old ones. After the Symantic buyout I went with SystemWorks and noticed that each succeeding version removed features that I had used in earlier versions. I came to the conclusion that Symantic just didn't have the progamming smarts to manage what they had. Needless to say, I haven't purchased a Norton/Symantic product in years.

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Great Article, i agreee with you[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 12:13:13 AM PDT

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