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Reader Voices: Quality Culprits

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue May 02, 2006 at 12:23:05 AM PDT

It probably will not come as a big surprise that my recent story asking if software quality is getting worse elicited an emphatic yes from most readers. What they did not agree on, however, was just what's to blame for the sorry state of software bugginess.


Some readers attributed the problem to the Microsoft school of software development. "When I was a corporate programmer in the 80s, we wouldn't dare deliver code with bugs," wrote one reader. "And if one was found, we'd be up overnight to fix it. Bad code was a career-limiting move. But as the business got used to paying less on PC software, they'd question the costs we were quoting. I started cutting out huge chunks of time that would've been spent reviewing requirements, testing, and debugging. I'd tell clients that I was using the 'Microsoft Methodology' -- which meant that we delivered a version of the product that wasn't fully debugged, but the user would get it weeks or months sooner and cheaper, and they would help find bugs to be fixed in the next release. And they'd always nod enthusiastically and agree that that was a good model because that's how Excel/Word/Project -- fill in your favorite MS product -- worked."

But software bugs are hardly limited to Microsoft or PC products. "The fact of the matter is, people do not have a decent "Why would anyone build a decent operating system or application when it is evident people will spend hundreds of dollars for something that doesn't work the way it should?" another reader wrote. "This is not to pick on Microsoft. This can be said for most accounting packages, and probably most MRP packages. What is interesting is I don't think this can be said for TECHNICAL software, such as CAD. The market rules: If people are willing to spend hundreds of dollars for crummy software that doesn't work, why spend the money to write good software?"

Some readers felt that software developers simply aren't capable of keeping up with the demands of a more complex business. "I'm not sure if software is getting buggier so much as the environment in which software operates is getting more and more complex," wrote one reader. "You no longer just have to worry about your own software; you also have to worry about lots of operating system variants, hardware, memory-resident utilities, libraries, environment paths, memory architectures, RAID arrays, etc., etc., etc. And especially with stuff like copy protection that is designed to operate 'on the edge,' so to speak, the infinite variety of supposedly compatible computers means there just so much room for things to go WRONG. Personally, as a software professional, I feel the complexity of the environment we have to deal with now exceeds by far what I was encountering ten or fifteen years ago. If I'd known it was going to get this bad, I never would have gotten into this profession."

And bugs wouldn't be such a problem if software support were better. "The state of the art in software design quality control has not kept up with the pace of increased complexity," wrote another reader. "Brute force debugging by herds of QC staff is not sufficient. Thus, bugs proliferate. On the other hand the bugs in prior generations of software were dealt with more effectively. Simply stated, the pathetic decline in the quality of software support is, in my view, the major culprit. The number or severity of bugs is not the issue. Without a sufficient number of flyswatters, the infestations will remain intolerable!"

Many readers feel the bean counters that run most software companies just won't pay for adequate testing before the product ships of bug fixing afterwards. "I think the problem is that there's no clear payback for testing dollars and no clear measurement of what is enough testing," wrote one reader. "Managers save money by cutting back on testing -- by the time the effect shows up in poor sales for the next version they've moved on and aren't hurt by it, it's someone else's problem. Furthermore, the support people seem to be trained to ignore bugs so there isn't even any direct feedback showing how badly they messed up."

And some readers felt the offshoring of software development is a critical factor. "The real issue you should be highlighting is not the capability of quality control departments but the software development talent," another reader wrote. "Could there be a connection to the amount of relatively recent offshore development, and layoff of older/senior/experienced developers onshore? You think? It's not to say that offshore or lower cost staff are naff per se, but anything that puts a large geographic and/or time distance between the company and its designers is going to make quality harder to achieve, especially if the time to market constraints remain the same. Manufacturing has been exported to lower cost locals for years with success, but how often is the whole hardware design team exported too successfully?"

Where do you think the blame for poor-quality software lies? Post your comments below or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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by Anonymous User on Tue May 02, 2006 at 11:48:11 AM PDT

In a letter: C. Here's why:
   1) C (and C++) may be powerful in that they allow the programmer to do just about anything (whether it makes sense or not), but that also requires more responsibility, discipline, and a higher caliber of programmer to write good code. Even now, but especially at the beginning of the Windows era, there just aren’t enough excellent programmers to make the number programs produced that are being produced.
   2) With this power it’s just too easy to write programs with, for example, buffer over-run problems. This in a nutshell is the reason for C# and other strongly typed languages, and Dot NET’s managed code.
   3) C was designed to ease the initial coding effort, making maintenance more difficult – especially on large projects and large teams of developers.

Then of course there’s DLL hell:
   1) Microsoft’s failure to “secure” the windows directory allowing any program to overlay shared DLL’s
   2) Changing DLL’s and then not allowing two different versions to run at the same time.
   3) As a result, the bug isn’t necessarily in the program you are running, but in the fact that some other program upon installation changed the Shared DLL to a different version - incompatible with the first program.

And finally, Marketing has more clout than Engineering and QC.


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by rodav on Tue May 02, 2006 at 11:51:51 AM PDT

I agree with most of this post, but I would like to say that "Technical" software suites are not above buggy coding.

A certain high-dollar CAD program made by a company that shall remain nameless *cough*Autodesk*cough* rubbed me the wrong way a few years back. They had a bug in their software and when I called for a fix I was informed that it was a "known" bug and that it would be fixed in the next release of their product which I could purchase at full price. It was an "update" of like 2.0 to 2.1 (I don't remember the version numbers).

New functionality is one thing. But, should consumers be forced to pay for a new version of software for bug fixes?

Admittedly, they may have changed since then. I have had to support their products for several years now.
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by srynas on Tue May 02, 2006 at 12:39:06 PM PDT

The personal computer and the internet were able to grow explosively because of a common (unified) operating environment, the Golden Goose.  

1. The internet allows for the release of software that is buggy.  With the internet defective software can be easily "fixed" through downloads. Every technology has a "good" and "bad" side.  Being able to update your software through the internet is good, but the vendor then has less incentive (bad) to have an error free product.

2. Ironically, the fact that Microsoft has a monopoly of sorts is a "good" thing because Windows is the predominate operating system. This gives everyone a common interface. The growing "bad" is that vendors are now trying to implement proprietary(DRM)technologies that are not necessarily compatible with the windows operating system. The Sony rootkit debacle is an example of a software program that disabled the operation of a computer's CD drive and also apparently prevented competing software (iTunes) from operating.

3. Microsoft seems to have lost the concept of an operating system. A computers operating system should be the absolute minimum software necessary to manage/maintain/repair the computer. Additional software should be added as "layers" to the operating system. Microsoft is bundling all sorts of software as part of the operating system. Internet Explorer, for example, should not be part of the operating system. However, I will acknowledge that it could be one of the first software layers since internet access is critical for obtaining software updates.

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by Anonymous User on Tue May 02, 2006 at 12:52:22 PM PDT

Unless off-shoring has been going on for more than 10 years, software quality is more an issue of competence than where it's happening.

My own thought is more one of shaky requirements and the desire to use "do anything at any time" GUI design adding a large number of complicating factors over command line text programs. Add to that, the fact that many projects are now beyond the scope of a single individual to comprehend - meaning that "minor" changes in one are can't possibly correlated to effects in some other area because no one person understands the relationships.

I do remember (vaguely) a story told of an operating system with some 100 thousand known "bugs". After much work, a release, and about a year of usage, the number of known bugs for the "fixed" operating system was over 200 thousand.

An additional factor is that there a lot more people using software - meaning that the odds of finding "a better idiot" is a lot higher - thus the odds of finding more and more obscure bugs.

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Off-shoring has been going on for > 10 yrs[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Thu May 04, 2006 at 12:39:12 AM PDT

"Unless off-shoring has been going on for more than 10 years"

Most definitely it has been. I defended a job against Indians for the first time 13 years ago.

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off-shoring > 10 yrs[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 09, 2006 at 11:17:29 AM PDT

My first IT job, 20 years ago, was maintaining and enhancing "old" software that was originally written by a firm in India. The more things change, the more they stay insane.

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by Anonymous User on Tue May 02, 2006 at 01:00:14 PM PDT

I am a developer of various types of software. That's my training and career choice. I regularly face the issue of this person or that, management or not, wanting the product "faster".

I *DO NOT CARE* about these opinions, and am highly resistant to these pressures. The person(s) wanting the product(s) have rarely invested much time or effort in it. Their specifications are NORMALLY pathetic, and frequently amount to incoherent scribblings on the equivalent of a napkin.

My job is to take these scraps of ideas and turn them into a reliable, workable, supportable pieces of code. I don't blame the clients. They think it's all easy, and that computers are just like people. I'm the one with the training and experience.

If it were easy, any old person would be doing it!

And do you know what? I've become known as someone who produces very good, very reliable code. Not quick, but good. That's just exactly what I want.

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"If it were easy, any old person would be doing it!"

...I think you mean young.

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by Anonymous User on Tue May 02, 2006 at 06:16:57 PM PDT

I think he means "capable." All programmers are not created equal. Some are light years more "capable" than others. Some are not.

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