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Making Bad Terms Worse

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon May 15, 2006 at 08:34:11 AM PDT

We've certainly seen some pretty bad terms in our discussions of software license agreements here. Sometimes, though, it's not so much a matter of how bad the EULA's terms are as it is how badly the software company wants to use those terms to force more money out of its customers. That's what one reader discovered in his dealings with a software company called Mixzon.


"Here is a prime example of a bad EULA," the reader wrote, pointing to the posted license agreement for Mixzon's Cormix outfall modeling software. "We purchased a license of this product in January 2004, paying about $1,300 including one year of technical support. The machine that we put it on had been replaced since the user had last needed the product. We still have the software, but when we called them to provide a new activation code, they refused."

Mixzon support acknowledged to the reader's staff that their records show the 2004 license purchase for the same user who wants to use it now, but Mixzon insisted they would not re-activate the software because it's no longer the most current version. "We own version 4.2 but their latest version is 4.3," the reader wrote. "Basically they refuse to service any changes to the underlying hardware or software. Once it's on a machine, you cannot move it anywhere. They state they are well within the rights of their EULA based on provisions 5-I and 5-J."

Interestingly, those two provisions are the only two in the Mixzon EULA that are in bold type, perhaps indicating that Mixzon cites them a lot. The two provisions read:

"I. MixZon, has no obligation under this agreement to support the following: Non-current versions of the Product, Software problems created by customer negligence, software problems resulting from hardware update/upgrade/malfunction, software problems resulting from operating system update/upgrades/re-installations, software installed or used on a computer system not authorized under this agreement."
"J. MixZon is not required to supply new unlock keys to Licensee due to hardware/software changes/updates/upgrades/failure or operating system updates/upgrades/failures. In such cases, MixZon may require the Licensee to obtain a Software Maintenance Agreement or new licensing terms for new software unlock keys."

The reader's company would have been willing to pay for renewal of its technical support agreement if that would entitled them to re-activate the software, but Mixzon insisted it would only support the latest version of its software. "If we got another support contract, we would still not get support the non-current product," the reader wrote. "Their suggestion is we purchase a current version of the software at $6,500 including a support contract to cover installation and activations after 30 days. Then they can provide an activation code."

Now, certainly it's true that the language of Mixzon's EULA says it can do this. It makes you wonder, though. If a software company's EULA were to say that "we have the right to hold a gun to your head and take your money whenever we want," would that actually give them the right to do so? As this reader learned, the only thing more unfair than a bad EULA is a bad EULA in the hands of a company that only cares about extracting more money from its customers.

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Strategy for MixZon[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Mon May 15, 2006 at 12:18:40 PM PDT

Assumming they agreed to the above terms, they may not be out of luck.  The agreement does not define the term 'new'.  

The customer bought the software with an unlock key and has every reason to expect the old unlock key to function as long as he does not violate the terms of the agreement.  Based upon the narrative and my reading of the agreement, he is only attempting to use the software on one machine.

Nowhere in the agreement does it say that the original key will expire or otherwise be terminated.

This is an issue for MixZon to fix, the person does not need a new key, they need the company to reactivate their original key.

As for the section I, the problem was not created by the installation on a different machine, the problem was created because the company deactivated the software key.  Again MixZon's issue.


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by Anonymous User on Mon May 15, 2006 at 01:12:08 PM PDT

I doubt they'll see it that way.

The customer is advised not to throw good money after bad. Blender is free modeling software that is competitive with Max, Maya, and others featureset-wise. (Free as in speech, and as in beer.) It will require retraining to use, but it's extensible and customizable and can generally be made to import any other modeling app's data, so data migration shouldn't be a problem. And I doubt the retraining will cost $6500 or even another $1300.

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Blender?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Wed May 17, 2006 at 01:49:33 PM PDT

Did you even bother looking at what the software does before you suggested an alternative?

I highly doubt that "software for 3D modeling, animation, rendering, post-production, interactive creation and playback" is going to be very useful when what they really want is a "simulation and decision support system for environmental impact assessment of mixing zones resulting from continuous point source discharges."

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This is confusing[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Wed May 17, 2006 at 04:54:40 PM PDT

Where do you get that? The original article says something about a modeling app. Notoriously expensive, as a rule, but there are free ones out there, though not so easy to use.

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It's on their website[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by tcsbiz on Wed May 17, 2006 at 06:54:14 PM PDT

This is what the software does:

www.mixzon.com

"The CORMIX methodology contains systems to model and design submerged single-port and multiport diffuser discharges as well as surface discharge sources. Effluents considered may be conservative, non-conservative, heated, or contain suspended sediments. Advanced information systems provide documented water quality modeling, NPDES regulatory decision support, visualization of regulatory mixing zones, and tools for outfall specification."

Tom.

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by Anonymous User on Thu May 18, 2006 at 10:35:23 PM PDT

Cormix. There's open source implementations of that, too.

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Who?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by tcsbiz on Fri May 19, 2006 at 12:06:45 PM PDT

How about posting some names of open source alternatives to cormix? I'll pass them along to someone I know who is looking to implement a cormix-like product but finds cormiz too costly.

Thanks.

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http://www.state.nj.us/drbc/cormix.htm

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I'll pass this along.

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