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Oklahoma!!!

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 12:58:28 AM PDT

What would you say if your elected representatives quietly and surreptitiously deleted 50-year-old rules for how consumers and businesses are treated in many legal disputes involving sales of goods, and didn't bother enacting new laws to govern those transactions? Well, if you live in Oklahoma, you should say what you will because that's exactly what's already happened in your state.


Some rather strange things have been going on in the Oklahoma legislature lately, including the intriguing story that Microsoft has been crafting the state's amendments to one of those useless, and now possibly dangerous, anti-spyware laws. But as much as I'd like to examine that issue, right now I must focus on a much more obscure piece of Oklahoma legislation that was actually passed in 2005 but is just now being brought into the light of day.

In its 2005 regular session, the Oklahoma legislature enacted HB 2028, a measure primarily devoted to adopting routine amendments to Article 1 of the Uniform Commercial Code. (The venerable UCC, the law that for decades has governed all kinds of business disputes, is in theory supposed to be enacted in a uniform fashion in all 50 states so that the same basic rules apply everywhere.) But tucked into the bill, in a way that was very unlikely to be noticed, were a few amendments to UCC Article 2, the law that relates to the sale of goods. Oklahoma changed the definition of goods covered by Article 2 to say it "does not include information," and the definition of a sales contract added language that excludes a "license of information" from the scope of Article 2.

Now, this may not seem like a big deal. After all, "goods" and "information" certainly do describe two pretty different things, so what's the issue? Well, it's a software problem. Or, more precisely, it's the problem of whether software -- and the infinite variety of everyday goods that certainly contain a software component like computers, cars, TVs, iPods, microwaves, etc. -- will or will not still be covered by UCC Article 2.

"What is wrong with the substance of these changes is that they create even greater uncertainty about the law governing transactions in software," says Jean Braucher, a law professor at the University of Arizona. "The changes may or may not exclude software from Article 2. Neither 'information' nor 'license' is defined. If the new exclusions are interpreted to mean that Article 2 does not apply to software, then there is no statute governing these transactions in Oklahoma, and the courts will have to use judge-made law on a case-by-case basis."

This is by no means a new issue -- the argument over whether software should be excluded from the scope of Article 2 has been going on for years. On one side, of course, are the software companies who don't want any of the obligations or liabilities that the producers of all other kinds of goods must accept. In opposition to "information" being excluded from Article 2 is a loose coalition of organizations on the customer side centered on AFFECT, Americans for Fair Electronic Commerce Transactions. And if those battlelines sound familiar, they should, because this is simply another front in the UCITA war. (Full disclosure: For any who don't already know it, I am a long-time member of AFFECT and a very long-time critic of UCITA.) And, just as we ultimately saw with UCITA, here too the opponents believe all they need is a fair opportunity to explain the real issues to state legislators in order to defeat it.

"We were deeply disappointed to learn these controversial provisions were enacted in Oklahoma without those who oppose them having a chance to air their views," says Miriam Nesbit, president of AFFECT and legislative counsel for the American Library Association. "We have brought forward our concerns about the Article 2 scope language in a number of states and have been successful in convincing the legislatures not to make such a change. For example, in 2005 similar measures were defeated in both Kansas and Nevada. I believe that we might well have prevailed in Oklahoma had we had the chance to make our arguments."

AFFECT's biggest concern is that -- if indeed software and at least some "smart" goods that contain software are no longer covered under UCC Article 2 -- what law will instead govern such products? Well, the only alternative on the books anywhere (in Virginia and Maryland) is UCITA, so a judge in Tulsa for example might now interpret the information exclusion in Article 2 as an invitation to apply UCITA principles instead. That is presumably what those -- whoever they may be -- who slipped though this stealth piece of legislation in Oklahoma intended.

Either way, though, losing the protections of Article 2 when it's totally unclear what will replace them is a complete negative for Oklahoma consumers and businesses. "Prior to this change we had a clear body of law that tells Oklahoma consumers and small business what to expect when they buy goods," says Gail Hillebrand, senior attorney for Consumers Union. "Now when they buy something contains software or a chip, the body of the product can be under one set of laws while the brains are under some unknown law yet to be developed. So what's in it for consumers is cost, uncertainty, and the fact that it will be harder for you to enforce any rights you still do have."

One would like to assume that the great majority of legislators who approved HB 2028 last year had no idea what a disservice they were doing their constituents. And it would certainly be nice if they'd correct their mistake now, but, hey, the next politician I see who's willing to admit to being suckered will be the first. So it might be best if we all focus on making sure the legislators in the other states know that what was done to UCC Article 2 in Oklahoma is not OK.

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So who was responsible for this?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 10:29:14 AM PDT

Presumably laws like this do not get changed just for the hell of it, so has anyone figured out what company got which legislator to introduce this? I know that Creative Labs is headquartered in OK, is any other technology company?

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Passed it along[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 10:52:25 AM PDT

I sent a copy of your emailed column to my State Rep and State Senator, along with some comments from myself. We'll see if they bother to respond outside the normal form reply.

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Well....[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by CowboyinBRLA on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 11:09:06 AM PDT

In most state legislatures (although not in all, and not in Congress), a bill is filed by a specific senator or representative, and any amendments to that bill must be offered by a specific individual, either the author or a different senator or representative.

In such a case, it's easy to pinpoint the legislator responsible, but since most elected officials couldn't write their way out of a wet paper bag, undoubtedly the amendment was drafted by someone in the industry and handed over as "this is the language we want". In turn, the legislator would have turned it over to a staff person to type up, and he would have presented the amendment quickly in passing as "this is clean-up language to fix some problems with the UCC."

Getting the legislator to point a finger at the lobbyist(s) who pushed the amendment on him, however, may or may not be easy. Sometimes they'll turn and make it public, out of embarrassment, as a way to show up the lobbyist. Other times, they'll keep quiet, and out of gratitude the lobbyist shells out another campaign contribution.

I will say, though, I've seen legislatures rush to un-do something like this when they feel like they've been swindled. It depends on how much public outcry there is. Unfortunately, there's often not enough over UCC-related stuff, like this and UCITA, to generate a response.



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Oklahoma Software = Maryland Credit Cards?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 12:15:29 PM PDT

Could Oklahoma be trying to create special rules to lure software companies? Maryland, for example has a host of special laws favoring credit card companies making Maryland the credit card capital of the USA. If I wanted to protect myself from lawsuits over my software, I'd seriously consider moving to a state that would protect my interests in return for the tax revenue and jobs I would generate for their citizens. Or the Oklahoma lawmakers could simply be inept . . . there is always that, right?

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HB 2028 Flew through the House and Senate[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 12:39:46 PM PDT

Looking at the history of the bill, it shows that HB-2028, sponosored by Representative Fred Morgan, flew through the OK House and Senate with not one single "No" vote... http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/

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Fred's running for higher office..[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 12:31:43 PM PDT

Fred seems to be running for US House of Representatives this year: http://www.crp.org/states/election.asp?State=OK&Year=2006

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Isn't the ALA Representative Two Faced?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 01:12:09 PM PDT

The article says, "'We were deeply disappointed to learn these controversial provisions were enacted in Oklahoma without those who oppose them having a chance to air their views,' says Miriam Nesbit, president of AFFECT and legislative counsel for the American Library Association."

The ALA, however, on its own, without giving those who oppose it a chance to air their views, made two significant changes in the way libraries are run. 1) Librarians will no longer protect children from harm (although all other government employees continue to have such a duty), and 2) it is age discrimination for a librarian to keep a child from any material, whether or not it is sexually inappropriate for children (although no one else is allowed to provide children with such access). The ALA, likely with influence from the ACLU, made this change decades ago. Those who might have opposed them either were not aware this happened or could do nothing about it. Indeed to this very day the ALA keeps people in the dark and children continue to be harmed on a regular basis in public libraries, even despite law such as CIPA and case law such as US v. ALA designed to stop this very thing.

Isn't it two-faced for an ALA representative to decry a lack of an opportunity to respond when that is exactly what the ALA has done to the entire country and children are suffering ever since?

All this is my opinion, of course, except the existing law, cases, and facts.

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Cite?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:12:13 AM PDT

Have you got a cite for this "every day children are harmed in public libraries" claim? I'm not aware that there's a growing problem with library violence (unlike, say, school violence, though there IS a staff requirement to protect the children in a school) or frequent library stick-ups (unlike, say, gas bars and convenience stores, which seem to get shot up every Tuesday and alternate Thursdays in the US)...

Or perhaps you have a peculiar definition of "harm" that includes things like "the imparting of information" as well as violence, physical abuse, etc.? If that's the case, kudos to the ALA for now kowtowing to religious reactionaries and others that know they can only perpetuate themselves if they can "protect" at least some children from becoming worldly critical thinkers. I would consider that "protecting" people from knowledge of how the world really is DOES constitute harm, because these people brought up in a fairy-tale world end up at great risk of being taken advantage of, by the right-wing religious nuts that arrange the circumstances or by unscrupulous corporations, wingnuts on the left, pedophiles, what-have-you...

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speling[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 02:14:39 AM PDT

bah. "not kowtowing", not "now kowtowing".

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"speling" - Response[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 07:02:34 AM PDT

Funny speling error. Hard to read - tongue twister. Seeing as this blog is about another issue, and my question was in regard to the subject of this blog, I'm not going to expand further to a topic beyond the scope of this blog and my comment. Do you have any questions along those lines? Just do a Google search for anything beyond the scope of this blog.

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What harm?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 05:52:14 AM PDT

By harm, are you referring to exposure to materials that _you_ would deem inappropriate for children?

I've been to my public library, and hard as I looked I couldn't find the porn section. I suppose it's possible my son might stumble on a National Geographic and see pictures of semi-naked people, but as long as he reads the articles and, gasp, learns something, I think I'd be OK with it. (IMO)

I believe in taking responsibility for my own child and not expecting other people, especially government employees, from doing my job. When I take him to the library I monitor what he's looking at, not because I'm concerned about the content, but because he might need an age-appropriate explanation of what he's seeing.

Frankly, if he wants to get more information about breast cancer (my wife was diagnosed about a year ago), I don't want someone else deciding that he shouldn't see that material because breasts are involved.

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"What harm?" Response[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 06:59:13 AM PDT

You're behind the times. But you are in line with ALA misinformation. Seeing as this blog is about another issue, and my question was in regard to the subject of this blog, I'm not going to expand further to a topic beyond the scope of this blog and my comment. Do you have any questions along those lines?

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Re: "What harm?" Response[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 09:19:23 AM PDT

1) _You_ brought up the issue with ALA, not me. You stated, as if it were a fact, that the ALA had caused harm to children. A very serious charge and certainly it would be reasonable to ask what harm you were referring to. If you're not able to discuss it, you shouldn't have brought it up.

2) I'm not sure what you mean by "behind the times". Maybe it has something to do with my belief that taking care of my child is _my_ responsibility, and not someone elses?

3) Whether there is any ALA misinformation or not (which we will never know, since you're not willing to discuss it), I am entitled to my beliefs, which I managed to come to without knowing anything about the ALA or you.

4) What difference does it make if the ALA is being two-faced or not? To me, the primary issue is with the possible loss of consumer rights in OK and it's effects on the rest of the country. If the ALA is willing to try to help to fight the loss of consumer rights, I'm willing to accept their help.

Whether or not there are problems with the ALA, it's not relevant to the topic of the OP. It is also very clear that you have your own agenda which also doesn't seem to have anything to do with the topic of the OP.

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response[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 11:26:53 AM PDT

No. Out of respect for the owner of this blog, I'll stick to the topic. Had I my own agenda, I would respond to you here on the ALA issues. But alas, that's not the point here. Look elsewhere if you want to defend the ALA against those exposing how it skirts a US Supreme Court case it lost, US v. ALA, CIPA, community opinions, and on and on.

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ALA[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 12:05:36 PM PDT

No, I am not defending the ALA. (If I was, it would be pretty easy to do, as you rely on quoting or paraphrasing out of context.) I was just asking for a simple explanation of the "harm" that you stated as fact, since I was honestly unaware of the great evil that you claim they are responsible for.

I did a little quick research on the subject, and I can actually understand where some people might have valid concerns, even if I don't share or agree with those concerns.


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Finally[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 08:15:42 PM PDT

Finally some reason from you. You say you can actually understand why parents have valid concerns. Now I least I know you are not an ALA-controlled automaton.

Did you know the ALA has already been sued for harm to a child caused by unfilter Internet access? The ALA won. But that was before US v. ALA that the ALA lost big. Now there are other cases, post US v. ALA, where children have been molested or raped in a situation where it may be the ALA's fault, at least in part. But no one I know of has yet brought such a case. But as more and more children are harmed, eventually someone will sue the ALA. At that time proper resources will be brought to bear on the ALA, and given its actions and a court's search for truth, the ALA is likely to lose. Again. But I can't read those tea leaves. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Ouch[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 08:17:49 PM PDT

Ouch. I just realized you enticed me to go beyond the scope of this blog, even though I saidI wouldn't. I apologize.

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Talk about two-faced...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by ekuns on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 10:11:00 PM PDT

So you bring up something inflamatory that you admit is off topic. You speak about that topic as if it is fact, but don't give anyone else enough information to know what you are speaking of. And you use this charge of causing direct harm to discredit the ALA, it seems, perhaps so as to support the cause that they are opposing. We don't know. Nothing in your post was on topic. Yet when people ask you to substantiate your charges, you say that you don't want to be off topic.

In other words, all you wanted to do is to smear the ALA but now that you have done so, you don't want to be bothered to have a discussion about your statements. And when you respond to people, you speak about whether or not they are an "ALA-controlled automaton."

This sounds like tinfoil hat material to me. You clearly have an agenda, or you wouldn't have mentioned something so alarming ("children continue to be harmed on a regular basis in public libraries") without being willing to substantiate your charge. Rather than several posts saying you don't want to be off topic, it would have taken only one short post to give a link to some appropriate venue where you had commented intelligently about the issue you speak of, and that would have been respectful. Instead, you have successfully diverted discussion.

Lest you charge me with have some ox to gore, the last time I set foot in a public library was so long ago I don't remember when it was. I don't know any librarians personally. All I know about the ALA is the occasional stance they take publically (as reported by the press). I am not reacting to the fact that you said something about the ALA. I am reacting to the fact that you made an off topic strong allegation about some organization causing harm to be done to children on a regular basis, and subsequently done all you could to dance around that issue to avoid having to substantiate anything. It's irritating and it speaks of you having an ox to gore.



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Oklahoma[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 25, 2006 at 02:09:21 PM PDT

Sounds to me like the software giants might just have shot off their own foot on this one. Since UCITA does not apply in Oklahoma, and since the law can be read that other commercial law may not be applied to information licenses, one might conclude that EULA's and such have NO legal standing in Oklahoma. Implied consent and other such concepts are based on contract law (as opposed to copyright law which would still probably rule out pirated copies). There can be no enforcable agreement between buyer and seller without an appropriate body of commercial law except for common law. And note that common law states that a contract must be of value to both parties, not just one.

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It's Busting Out All-Over[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by srynas on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 07:28:33 AM PDT

See "U.S. Copyright May Get Harsher and Broader" by Ed Felten, the other Ed.
http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/

See the Electronic Frontier articles on "The Season of Bad Laws"
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/

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Oklahoma!!![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 11:03:43 AM PDT

Interesting. What implications will these changes have for companies that buy, sell and trade information? Sounds like paradise for banks, credit card companies, insurance companies, etc.

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Geesh, after we fought it off in WA state ...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 12:37:52 PM PDT

you'd think they'd get the picture. But, seriously, I'm way more annoyed by those AMD tear-down ads that show up on Infoworld on the upper right corner and TAKE OVER my screen whenever my mouse tries to click on the Close Tab x box for Firefox - it ANNOYS ME A LOT. Not that I have anything against AMD, I've got them in my WinXP laptop ...

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Ad annoyance[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Thu Apr 27, 2006 at 06:59:25 AM PDT

Yes, I agree with you. Those ads are annoying. Even worse, I printed out a page and the ad covered as much as on the screen. I was forced to reprint and waste paper and time.

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Well, there's a simple solution...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Thu Apr 27, 2006 at 09:52:17 PM PDT

...don't use Flash. Honestly, I couldn't be happier and I don't have to deal with that crap. If I really must see something in Flash, I load it up in IE. For me, IE has been relegated to Windows Update and viewing Flash sites (which are usually so poorly programmed that they probably wouldn't appear properly in Firefox...)

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heh[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by RickJamez on Thu Apr 27, 2006 at 08:27:25 PM PDT

to: the person that mailed the letter I dont think mail will work wonders, it will just get tossed aside. but I guess its better then nothing.
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stop pestering me[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 12:49:06 AM PDT

As is often mentioned here, if normal letters get ignored, send registered mail that requires the intended recipient's signature on delivery. It costs more, but they can't as easily ignore it or fob it off on underlings. This worked for people with rebate and no-support gripes here in the past...

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Not necessarily[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by sconeu on Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 08:07:16 AM PDT

I tried a Registered/Restricted Delivery to the president of a company I had a complaint about.

The Post Office told me they couldn't guarantee delivery in such situations.

I told them to try anyways.

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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What "situations"?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by Anonymous User on Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 05:59:22 AM PDT

In "such situations"? What situations? The post office is supposed to deliver the mail, no questions asked, and not care who it's to (or from) as long as postage is paid.

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What situations?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by sconeu on Sun Apr 30, 2006 at 12:07:47 PM PDT

Corporate mailrooms.  Hey, maybe the local USPS employees were trying to get out of some work.  All I know is what they told me.

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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Corporate mailrooms[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous User on Sun May 07, 2006 at 05:01:03 PM PDT

So, the defacto elitism in the "land of equal opportunity" is now sanctified by the post office, and they will collaborate in obstructing mail being sent from mortals to VIPs? The end really is nigh. If I knew the language I'd move to Japan, since it looks like the Far East is the newly emerging replacement of the West as the powerhouse of innovation and culture, and every act of congress seems to further the offshoring of innovation, culture, and knowledge there by catering to Disney and Halliburton and Exxon...

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Japan[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous User on Sun May 07, 2006 at 06:37:02 PM PDT

Not to mention that it's about the only place now where someone with a high tech degree can get a job that isn't flipping burgers or answering phones with a thick middle eastern accent...

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Re: Japan[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#36)
by Yamagawa on Fri May 19, 2006 at 08:46:47 PM PDT

Not true. Japan is also experiencing a great deal of offshoring of high tech jobs.

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