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Getting New Drivers Isn't a Canon of Faith

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 12:34:12 AM PDT

We all understand that manufacturers can't be expected to support their older printer and scanner models forever. But at what point should a customer still be able to have faith that drivers will be available for his or her device for newer OS releases? That was the question one reader was asking after running into a problem with drivers for some Canon scanners.


"I know this is almost certainly not a new story," the reader wrote. "HP has been accused for years of not providing updated drivers for old -- what they call old, that is, not what in general I would call old -- hardware for new operating systems. But now Canon appears to be doing the same thing. I'm in the process of rolling out new PCs at one of my clients and all of them have Windows Professional x64 installed. The client has two of Canon's LiDE line of scanners, one of which is a year old and one that is just a few months old. Of course, Canon does not have drivers for these scanners for the x64 version of Windows and the old 32-bit drivers won't install. When I contacted Canon support, this is the response I got:"

"Canon has currently developed Windows XP 64-bit drivers for the CanoScan 9950F, 8400F, and LiDE 500F scanner models. Canon has not announced plans to develop drivers for other models at this time. However, should drivers be developed, they will be posted directly to our Web site at www.canontechsupport.com when available. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause."

The reader found this answer particularly unsatisfying. "So the party line is not even yes or no, but they don't know," the reader wrote. "We're just supposed to keep checking the website, and if not, go out and buy one of their new scanners that does have x64 drivers. Now, I'd like to state for the record, it' s not the money that bothers me, or my client. $125 for a new Canon scanner is nothing, since I remember paying over $2,000 at one time for an HP Scanjet IIcx, but it's the fact of having a perfectly good, working piece of hardware that's still technologically current but unusable on any machine with XP Pro x64. It's just such a waste."

Obviously, the world is hardly rushing en masse to Win x64, so it would be one thing if Canon had simply chosen not to support that OS with new drivers at all. But since Canon is offering x64 drivers for some LiDE scanners, while not on other recent models, it does seem like the reader and his client have a legitimate beef. And if Canon isn't going to support these models that customers may have purchased only a few months ago, couldn't it at least come out and say so?

What do you think? If a peripheral manufacturer wants to keep faith with its customers, at what point is it fair for it to stop offering updated drivers? Post your comments below or write me directly at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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It pays to do research first![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by wantobe on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 03:03:41 AM PDT

When you bought the scanners, did you know you would be migrating to x64? When you migrated to x64, did you check to make sure that drivers for your equipment would be available?

I'm sorry, but unless Canon specifically stated that they would develop drivers for x64 I don't see this as a legitimate beef. The OS might be from the same company, but the underlying architecture is quite different. It would be the same principle as if you bought the scanners to run on Windows XP Pro and suddenly decided to change over to OS X without checking to make sure your hardware would work with it.

Rob Miles
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Possibly use for older machines[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 11:13:08 AM PDT

I agree it seems insane to replace something that works fine and is only a few months to a year old. Since their doesn't appear to be a best-case solution, what about buying new devices and donating the old ones to somewhere that you can get a tax credit. Maybe a local school?

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OS[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 07:57:36 AM PDT

"...it seems insane to replace something that works fine" At first glance, I thought you were talking about the OS! But the point still holds: Why upgrade the OS in the first place?

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OS[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:50:21 AM PDT

This is a good point. Swapping out printers, while potentially annoying, is not a big problem. Swapping out operating systems potentially causes all sorts of problems due to software incompatibilities, hardware upgrades, etc. Is there any valid reason for moving to 64-bit Windows on individual workstations now?

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64 bit[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by tcsbiz on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 12:01:28 PM PDT

Why did the client go to 64 bit in the first place? Is there software or a business reason that requires it? A vendor should not have to retro-fit drivers for different OS's. It should have to for upgrades to the same OS. XP-64 is like a completely new OS and Canon is writing drivers for only its most profitable equipment. Drivers for XP-64 will be written as it goes onto general use. If that never happens, then, good luck in getting drivers written for most peripherals.

Anyone looking to use the XP-64 needs to check out Microsoft's website. Here's an excerpt on drivers:

"All drivers must be 64-bit. There are still quite a few gaps in the list of available drivers but the situation should improve dramatically now that Windows XP Professional x64 Edition is officially launched. If you're buying new hardware, you should definitely make sure that there are x64 drivers available before you buy. And if you're recycling older peripherals to use with your new x64 computer, you'll want to check with the peripheral manufacturer or vendor about available drivers. One site I've found that has been quite helpful in finding drivers for x64 is PlanetAMD."

In this case, it truly is "buyer beware".

Tom.

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More on the subject[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous User on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 05:24:40 PM PDT

OBTW, Microsoft only recently releases x64 drivers for their own hardware peripherals (mouse/keyboards). Also, as x64 is branded as XP, it is often virtually impossible to figure out whether it is supported or not without trying it. Many manufacturer websites are silent on the topic. Many device work just fine, with no specific mention of x64 support. As far as being a completely differnt OS, x64 is based on the server 2003 SP1 code base, but as the memory addresses are completely different in 64 bit, device specifically addressing hardware (e.g., printer drivers) are not compatible with the 32 bit OS.

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"Get Lost"[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 01:42:38 PM PDT

The vendor could and should, but will not. They have no excuse, because 64-bit has been around too long, and Win64 has been coming for quite some time. Refusing to take responsibility is the same as saying folks like your customer don't matter, nor do thousands of others. They have indirectly said "get lost" and I really believe it's time to find printer vendors who will serve the customer.

I've known for a long time Canon loves money but hates customers. HP used to be pretty decent, but I trust them less and less. Epson isn't even considered; they've been downright nasty to me. I've told my clients and friends to avoid them and Canon, because I will not support them. Tell everyone you know.

At the same time, realize any printer below $300 is junk, anyway. All the manufacturers are turning out inkjet junk like fire-n-forget missiles. Product pride is fogotten. Get something worth having, then take them to court if they refuse to provide the service you demand. As I said before, 64-bit has been around too long for any business to act like it's not an industry standard.

Isn't it crazy? Some of the folks I serve have begun looking at dot-matrix again, because they see old machines with decent drivers, a readable output, and very low operating costs.

Ed Hurst

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"The vendor could and should"[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 07:58:54 AM PDT

Where is this written?

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Canon impressed me[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 12:11:52 PM PDT

I have to admit I was pleased when I had to call Canon technical support and was speaking with an intelligent and knowledgeable person, in the US, who spoke English as her first language. In my book, that puts them leagues ahead of HP and several of the others when it comes to support. As for the drivers, early adopters have to be prepared for things like this.

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To be honest ...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 09:07:29 PM PDT

"I was pleased when I had to call Canon technical support and was speaking with an intelligent and knowledgeable person, in the US, who spoke English as her first language."
To be honest, you can also get this level of support from "Psychic Friends Hotline." No guarantee, though, on whether PFH can solve you print driver problem.

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Psychic Friends Hotline[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by sconeu on Thu Mar 16, 2006 at 07:02:24 AM PDT

If I recall correctly, someone once did a tongue-in-cheek comparison of MS tech support vs. the Psychic Friends Network, for diagnosing a problem with his PC, and... the PFN won!

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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The vendor could and should. . .[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 12:49:22 PM PDT

A peripheral manufacturer is under an obligation to provide updated drivers for the operating systems that it initially supported when the product was first marketed.  When new patches or service packs are released for the OS, new drivers should be forthcoming.  

I don't agree that Canon has any responsibility to provide a driver for an OS that had not been released when the scanner was first marketed.  Canon did not claim to support that operating system in any of its product literature.  In particular, x64 is a high end OS for power users.  The scanner in question (a $125 machine) is intended for home use rather than commercial/industrial use.  As such, it is quite unlikely that Canon would find very many of these machines attached to a PC with a 64-bit OS.  There is no economic justification for supporting that particular combination of resources.

On the other hand, if the 64-bit OS actually does take off, why shouldn't Canon leave the door open to support it more broadly in the future?  "Maybe" is as legitimate a position as is "no."

Regarding Ed Hurst's dyspeptic diatribe against all of those peripheral vendors, I'm wondering exactly which vendors he does favor?  Centronix?  
Gwyl


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Centronix?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Ed Foster on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 02:11:32 PM PDT

Personally, I'm on the lookout for a good DataProducts line printer. -- Ed

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Data Products Line Printer wanted[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:35:02 PM PDT

I'll watch for one at the local flea market and let you know. Heh-heh! :-)

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DataProducts[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by sconeu on Wed Mar 22, 2006 at 08:11:50 AM PDT

I believe they're owned by Hitachi-Koki now.

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Star Micronix[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by tcsbiz on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 02:46:37 PM PDT

Star Mirconix dot matrix. Still works in DOS mode with PFS: First Publisher and the original version of Avery Label Pro. Ribbons getting hard to come by, though.

Tom.

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re: Star Micronix[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 16, 2006 at 11:30:26 AM PDT

Personally, I prefer a good Okidata Microline, Epson LQ-series, or IBM Proprinter 24XL model myself, but hey, who's counting?...

And now that we've gotten this OT, something I couldn't resist:

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I feel compelled to mention what I know to be a gloating point:
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Which shows for input vegetable, animal and mineral
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CHORUS:
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And need I even mention Nixdorf, Univac or Honeywell?
CHORUS:
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CHORUS:
Which shows for input vegetable, animal and mineral
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In fact when I've a floppy of a minimum diameter,
When I can call a subroutine of infinite parameter,
When I can point to registers and keep their current map around,
And when I can prevent the need for mystifying wraparound,
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And when I can afford to use 100K for buffering,
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You'll marvel at the speed of my asynchronous transmission rate.
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Though all my better programs that self-reference recursively
Have only been obtained through expert spying, done subversively,
But still for input vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I've built a better model than the one at Data General.
CHORUS:
But still for input vegetable, animal and mineral,
He's built a better model than the one at Data General.


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Supported OS & Hardware[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Fushigi on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 06:47:23 AM PDT

XP64 was apparently released in April of 2005. Based on the OP saying some of the scanners were just a few months old, it is reasonable to assume they were still being marketed after XP64's release. Also, Canon would have had access to the XP64 beta to use to develop drivers.

If XP64 is a high-end OS, that would presume it is for high-end hardware. Yet a quick trip to HP's notebook "home and home office" section shows AMD64-based notebooks starting well under $700. Hardly high-end. I helped a coworker buy an AMD64-equipped notebook some time ago (IIRC Summer '04) and again it was geared towards consumers and not business (optimized for DVD playback & gaming).

Changing tracks a little .. What's surprising to me is that the drivers would be different. In this day and age a lot of manufacturers try to unify their drivers across the bulk of their products. Witness nVidia and ATI video drivers. Canon is raising their own costs by not standardizing the internals to a sufficient extent that the drivers can be unified.

BTW, I had a similar experience with a Umax SCSI scanner. Drivers were fine through Windows 98 and NT 4 but they didn't release any for Windows 2000. A friend managed to make the NT drivers partly work in 2000; I gave up.

Finally, Okidata still markets the Microline dot matrix printer. They're actually more expensive than most other low-to-mid grade printers, but they are still available new-in-box.

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Different issues[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by tcsbiz on Thu Mar 16, 2006 at 07:00:47 AM PDT

Having a 64 bit processor and a 64 bit O/S are two entirely different issues. The AMD 64 bit processors can run the 32 bit versions of O/S. They support all the way back to Windows 98 and ME (shudder at the thought of ME).

Running 64 bit XP requires different hardware drivers. Having a 64 bit processor does not if it's running 32 bit XP.

Tom.

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Not really different[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Fushigi on Thu Mar 16, 2006 at 12:49:23 PM PDT

I was responding to the above Anonymous poster's comments: "In particular, x64 is a high end OS for power users. The scanner in question (a $125 machine) is intended for home use rather than commercial/industrial use."

I made a case that 64 bit hardware was not and is not 'high end' and is in fact marketed towards the home user. Considering that those with 64 bit hardware are the sole target audience for a 64 bit OS one pretty much has to consider XP64 as having some marketability to the home user. Of course, whether it makes sense for the home user is another issue entirely.

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Don't toss that scanner...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by Lazlo Nibble on Thu Mar 16, 2006 at 10:17:29 AM PDT

BTW, I had a similar experience with a Umax SCSI scanner. Drivers were fine through Windows 98 and NT 4 but they didn't release any for Windows 2000. A friend managed to make the NT drivers partly work in 2000; I gave up.
Not to derail, but I was able to get my ancient Umax Astra 1200S working great under XP Pro SP2 with a package called VueScan from Hamrick Software. For the 1200S it talks directly to the scanner, so there aren't any drivers needed. Folks who are hitting the wall with their manufacturer's drivers should give it a try. It supports several hundred different models, runs in Windows/OS X/Linux flavors and is a lot cheaper than buying a new scanner (especially a new 14" one, like I would have needed). It's also a lot more powerful than any of the pack-in software I was able to get out of Umax over the years.

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Astra 1200S[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Fushigi on Thu Mar 16, 2006 at 12:51:14 PM PDT

Yes, that was the model. I'll let my friend know about VueScan; he may still have his scanner. I've moved on and no longer even have SCSI in any of my machines.

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The annoying part...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by mhkohne on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 05:16:54 PM PDT

about drivers for XP x64 is that it's not that different from XP x32. Frankly, if you are writing against a current DDK, most of what you have to do is pick your types correctly, give it a little thought, and it will simply compile and run under both OS's. Obviously there's still a testing load, but it's not THAT much extra work.

Michael Kohne
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Move On...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 12:19:27 PM PDT

Sell on Ebay...buy new scanners...move on...writing new 64-bit drivers for these low end products is not adding to Canon's bottom line.

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An interesting point[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by LasVegan on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 10:37:52 AM PDT

Canon probably doesn't expect many people to use low-end equipment on the 64-bit version of Windows. The guys who want the powerhouses generally don't buy low-end stuff.

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Sony Products[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by jskar on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 12:52:15 PM PDT

As an aside: I have had problems with Sony. Many years ago, Sony was at the top of the Japanese manufacturing junk heap. (Remember "..made in Japan,") Several years ago their products were visionary. Now, they are reverting to also-rans. I create videos using Sony software (VEGAS), a Sony DVD burner, and a recently bought Sony DVD player. Many times, the DVDs will not track accurately, but, will play fine on a JVC or other brand player. I wrote a letter to Sony praising their past and asking for them to heed market pressures to better their products. As expected, I heard not a word in reply. Oh well.
<<ME>>
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There's More to This Than--Do Your Homework[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 01:20:56 PM PDT

I believe most of the posters are missing important points here:

1). In business, upgrading to Windows X.X is driven by purchasing/budgeting cycles. It should be the businesses' choice when and how;

2). Yes, XP64 software is not terribly popular right now. However, the hardware is increasingly available and Longhorn is in Beta testing. It's coming, and coming soon;

3). Why go 64 bit? 4GB memory limit, that's why (among other reasons). Just wait until YOU try loading more than 4GB on a 32-bit OS. This is going to happen ever more often. Also, don't talk to me about PAE. It's a kludge, just like the bad old days of EMM/EMS/XMS/HiMem/???;

4). Where is Microsoft in all this? Shame on them for not supporting, at least in some limited way, 32-bit drivers. Certain drivers probably need to be 64-bit for performance and other reasons (video & disk come to mind). However, it's only print servers that print continuously. Printer drivers are not, as a rule, performance critical;

5). I rather doubt that 64-bit Windows is a "completely new" operating system, whether it's XP64 or Longhorn. That's just not realistic. Comparing Windows to another version of Windows is a reasonable thing to do, and everyone is going to do it;

So the original submitter didn't do all their homework and got a little burned. I don't blame them.

The vendor is being coy and refusing to come out and say what they will commit to. The vendor is probably trying to estimate market demand for 64-bit. However it has to be frustrating for the customer.

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Similar problem[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Enoemos on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 01:26:04 PM PDT

I had a similar problem years back with a Mustek scanner. It stopped working when I upgraded from Win 3.11 to Win 95. A call to Mustek revealed that they had no plans to upgrade the driver, and they were actually rather snotty about it. They recommended buying a new scanner. I did, but not a Mustek. I have never dealt with that company again (and never will). That's the only way to deal with these types of problems - vote with your wallet.

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Vote with your wallet[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 04:07:11 PM PDT

I agree, vote with your wallet. Poor customer service should not be rewarded by the customer buying a new model from the same manufacturer. But here's another twist, didn't consumers already telegraph their vote by buying $50 printers and $99 scanners? If we demand quality and support, and are willing to pay for it, then ultimately the quality and support will improve or the companies unwilling to change will leave the marketplace. Or will W-M type business practices simply take over everywhere?

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remember this concerning new computers[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by aoz on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 05:14:44 PM PDT

to all, re: drivers, hardware, etc REMEMBER these hassles, in case your CURRENT computer blows up (mine did). I am NOT buying a NEW computer until Vista comes out, because if I buy one now, all these hassles will come about in about 6 months; If I can hold out for 6 to 9 months (patch up old system), I can buy a NEW sysem with new windows vista disk, drivers, license, etc, avoid a $200.00+ upgrade cost, etc. Just my two cents. Nick

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One other option[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 11:18:56 AM PDT

There is one possible option. Keep an old Windows machine on the network for scanning purposes. You don't need the power of 64-bit to scan a lousy image.

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One other option[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 12:46:12 PM PDT

You also don't need the power of 64-bit to scan a GOOD image. :)

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HP?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 03:15:33 PM PDT

"HP has been accused for years of not providing updated drivers for old -- what they call old, that is, not what in general I would call old -- hardware for new operating systems.

I'm not sure where that comes from. I had no trouble last May in finding a Windows XP driver for my HP LaserJet 4L made in 1992.

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Updating Hardware Drivers[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#36)
by joep42 on Wed Mar 22, 2006 at 10:23:36 PM PDT

Same here - I don't know or care about all this XP64 stuff.  I'm glad my HP 4L laser, circa 1995, still works.  The driver was built into XP - thanks Microsoft.

After reading all the horror stories about software that goes dead or crippled, with the vendor leaving users out in the cold, you got to admit Microsoft's stuff works for the most part.

HP does seem to try to keep drivers around.  I recently reconditioned an OfficeJet K60 All in One (circa 2000) that someone was throwing away and got the drivers and trouble shooting guides from the HP site.

As to the question how long should hardware vendors provide drivers for future OS's?  I would hope for 5 years but if not, I would hope Micrsoft would provide them as they did for my HP 4L.

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Old Printer Drivers in XP[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#50)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 02:24:45 PM PDT

Dude, thanking Microsoft for including the drivers that HP wrote, tested and sent to Microsoft isn't really thanking the company who put all of the effort into writing XP drivers for a 10+ year old printer - all of that work was done by HP and Microsoft just included what was sent to them.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#62)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 02:47:28 AM PDT

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Fargo Hater[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#33)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 21, 2006 at 09:38:44 PM PDT

Well, in reference to the cheap crap not being supported, there are companies that would not support their expensive crap as well, note the Fargo Primera Pro printer of days gone by - made picture perfect pages for Win95 ONLY... completely refused to write drivers for 98 - a $1200 printer. Support? My ass. I have to run 95 to use it. I will buy only SCSI devices whenever possible to avoid this predicament, however, even SCSI is going away now due to its dumber than pecans user-perceived high cost versus realistic performance value. Try to buy a SCSI DVD writer. BUT, burn a ide/sata dvd while doing much of anything else - I dare you.

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Burning a DVD[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by LasVegan on Wed Mar 22, 2006 at 11:24:53 AM PDT

So long as I'm not doing things that are going to freeze the computer up or hammer the disk hard I have no problems with burning while doing other things. My burner resides in an external box with a firewire connection.

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Xerox: Hating new OSes since 2000[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#37)
by kbiel on Tue Mar 28, 2006 at 10:27:41 AM PDT

I wrote Ed about this back in 2000, but I thought I would post my story here for anyone considering Xerox:

For Christmas of 1999 my parents and my in-laws both purchased a multifuntion printer for my wife and I as gifts. Having a choice between an HP and a Xerox to return to the store, we decided to keep the Xerox because I have never been impressed with HP's bloated drivers and software.

At first, I was very pleased with the Xerox Workcentre Xi70c. The drivers for it worked quite well in Windows 95 and the resolution was decent. Then in April of 2000, only four months later, I ordered a laptop from Dell. Having used the recently released Windows 2000 at my office for a couple of months, I was very impressed with its stability, speed, and functionality. So, I ordered the laptop with Windows 2000 pre-installed.

This is when the problems began. We received the laptop within a week and gave our old desktop to a family member. I began setting up various peripherals and software that we used with the laptop with very few problems until I got to the Xerox Workcentre Xi70c. I could not find Windows 2000 drivers for the printer or scanner and the Windows 95 drivers definitely would not work.

I spent the next six months e-mailing and calling Xerox in anticipation of new drivers. Every representative promised that the drivers would be out soon, but nothing would happen. In June of 2000, one Xerox representative said that I could use the Windows 2000 printer drivers from one of their other multifunction printers to get the printing functionality to work on the Xi70c, but that the scan drivers did not work consistently. I started using the other drivers so that we could at least use the Xi70c as a printer and even the scanner drivers worked with some extra effort but only at 300 dpi.

Finally in August of 2000, I called Xerox again asking about new drivers. The support representative I got on the phone was clueless and I asked to talk to a manager. Instead she routed me to a 2nd level technical support person. I explained my problem and vented my frustration to the tech support person and he then told me the truth. It seems that Xerox had only sold about 5000 Xi70c units that Christmas and decided that it was not worth their time to support it anymore even though it was only eight months old. In fact, they had effectively stopped supporting the Xi70c within four months of introducing it on the market. They had released it in time for the Christmas shopping season and priced it to sell, but it did not sell as well as they had hoped. So, Xerox stopped making the Xi70c and decided that they didn't need to produce new drivers for any OS other than Windows 95. In other words, even though the printer was first sold in November of 1999, they had already moved it to extended support less than six months later as if it were a much older piece of equipment.

I tried several contact options at Xerox to seek a refund or a trade for a multifunction printer that did have Windows 2000 support, but it seems that Xerox already had my money and didn't care if I never bought their products again. I either did not receive a reply from their various representatives or they told me that I was just out of luck.



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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#64)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 02:56:22 AM PDT

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x64 beta scanjet drivers available now !!![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by Anonymous User on Sat Apr 22, 2006 at 02:19:18 AM PDT

get them here : http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=14562&pid=213135&mode=threaded&show=& st=&#entry213135

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Not just Scanners but Printers too[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#42)
by Bunch on Thu May 18, 2006 at 08:36:06 PM PDT

Canon is screwing its printer users as well by not supporting relatively new hardware.

Visit my Canon webpage at the link below for more info and a petition signed by over 6,000 users: http://www.carletonmacgregor.com/html/canon_bjc-5000_5100_windows_xp.html

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My canon products now gather dust...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Anonymous User on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 08:35:44 AM PDT

Canon appears to only be offering x64 drivers for their high end products. Low end product users are out of luck. If they have driver software for high-end, it should be that difficult to extract a lower end products needs. Canon just chooses not to. Replace your hardware with our nwe products. In fact, Canon went so much as to point me to their upgrade program so I could get a deal. Frankly, it's not going to happen. Not going to replace my Canon products recently purchased (within the release timeframes of x64) with new Canon gear. Every vendor has the right to choose it's customer base, and I have the right to choose my vendor. Canon is no longer a vendor of choice. Although, this issue affects my home use, Canon fails to recognize my realm of influence. As individual that recommends or denies hardware standards within my first (top 4 bank), Canon is no longer approved. If they are unwilling to support products they have manufactured for a reasonable period of time, then I cannot count on them. If we happen to choose a high end product they decide not to support going to Vista, then I will have spent millions of dollars on the wrong choice. Canon by demonstrating their lack of commitment to customers has lost sales and opportunties within my organization which translates to real dollars.

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Not "power" user or a Canon user [ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#51)
by Anonymous User on Sat Sep 15, 2007 at 05:42:16 AM PDT

I thought that Canon might have released a driver for the LIDE50 by now, it was a great little piece of kit, took up next to no room, I didn't need another power socket for it, it worked for those few times once every few months that I needed to scan something. Now it's useless to me. I'll try to find a friend who might be able to use it and then go out and try to find another inexpensive scanner which can do a similar job. But you know what - it won't be a Canon scanner - I'm through with them. Good thing I'm not commenting on accounting packages on whirlpool...

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Not fun[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#52)
by Daisy on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:37:07 PM PDT

I can understand perfectly well that it's not fun to have to buy new equipment when you have working hardware only a few months old. Unfortunately I think there is not much else to do...
Daisy, IT Professional currently working on the diabetes healthy eating project.
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#61)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 02:06:19 AM PDT

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