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Jeers and Cheers for Retail Stores

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 12:25:26 AM PDT

Are the return policies better at brick-and-mortar stores than online retailers? You'd have to doubt it from the complaints we hear in the GripeLog about buying technology products at most retail outlets. But I was surprised to learn in a recent discussion that there is at least one retailer whose return policies many readers stand ready to swear by rather than swear at.


As we've seen many times before, counting on a store like CompUSA to honor even one of their extended warranties is a dubious proposition. "About a year ago the plastic edge supporting a battery door hinge on my HP850 Camera broke," wrote one CompUSA customer with a recent example. "The camera was just one and a half years old, and I had a CompUSA extended warranty on it. They looked at the camera and told me that a plastics problem was considered to be cosmetic. They wouldn't honor the warranty or refund the warranty cost even though they agreed that the camera was now non-functional due to this 'cosmetic' problem. I finally had to do my own workaround by attaching an aluminum plate to the camera bottom with a machine screw, leaving a nice-sized lump on the bottom. Needless to say both, CompUSA and HP camera have lost a customer on this one."

Another store that's proven not to be the best in this regard is Best Buy. "I bought a flash MP3 player from Best Buy about three months ago," wrote another reader. "The salesman touted their extended service agreement for $10. He said I could just bring it back in for so little as a scratched display crystal." When the unit turned out to have an annoying but non-fatal defect, the reader took it back to the store. "I waited in line for the next service associate for about 10 minutes. It took her not more than 30 seconds to pull out my copy of the service agreement and point out the written statement that the unit was not returnable to the store, but had to be mailed to Best Buy in some other city. I objected that when I bought the unit I was verbally told I could return it to the store. She said no, they used to do that, but not any more ... Best Buy gladly sold me this contract for $10 and some sweet verbal promises. When the time came to make good on them, they flat out refused to do as promised."

Reader comments in a recent discussion, however, singled out one retailer as having far better return policies and practices that the rest: Costco. "I buy all my electronics at Costco," wrote one reader. "Everything except computers you can return at any time, period, no questions asked, while computers are limited to six months. Occasionally I'll get something that's a lemon or just doesn't perform well, and back it goes. I then turn around and give them lots more business."

A number of readers said they'd avoided the computer service hassles we often see by buying at Costco. "About a year ago, my company needed a one-off laptop, and needed it quickly," a reader wrote. "We bought it at Costco. About two months later, the display panel died. We brought it back, no problems. Costco's six-month, no-questions-asked policy is a wonderful thing."

In fact, maybe all this high praise for a company should make me a little nervous. "I buy everything I can at Costco or Costco.com," wrote another reader. "I stopped supporting the stores with horrible return policies years ago, even though it is very rare that I return anything. I hold Costco in high regard for many reasons. Check out this ABC News 20/20 report on the company and you'll be amazed. If other companies shared some of Costco's traits, we wouldn't have a need for the GripeLog."

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Costco[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 09:44:38 AM PDT

There is a Costco right down the block but I've never shopped there because of the $45 annual fee. The story has convinved me to rethink that decision. It sounds too good to be true, but I guess it is. First, I'll look at their web site to see if I can buy things online without the fee!

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Costco.com[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 10:08:35 AM PDT

Yes, I believe you can buy from the website without buying a membership. I'm planning to buy my wife's new laptop that way -- because of all the recommendations here, btw...

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Can't bypass the fee[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 06:42:19 AM PDT

The website will ask you for your CostCo member ID number. It is not really that bad. They have good values on good products.

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the $45 fee pays for itself in no time[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Reziac on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 11:54:25 AM PDT

You can save $45 on your first month's worth of grocery shopping at Costco. Yeah, you might have to buy 6 cans of ravioli -- at 85 cents apiece, rather than one can at the regular store, for $1.69. But if you're gonna eat 6 cans anyway, why not pay less??

I also have a Sam's Club membership, and it's very similar.

Between the two, I probably save a couple thousand dollars every year just on food and everyday household-use stuff, and an average of about 50% on appliances and big-ticket items. And I never worry about whether something works or fits or whatever, because of the return policies being so good.

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Costco Membership Fee[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 01:11:59 PM PDT

I have an Executive membership at Costco which costs me more than the regular fee. The Executive membership adds several features including a yearly rebate based on my purchasing for the year. The rebate check I get at the end of each year is much more than my membership fee. So why would I consider going anywhere else first?

Two weeks ago I needed a new wrist watch. I shopped at the local watch store in the mall and thought they were over priced. Then I remembered that the Costco immediately adjacent to the same mall also sold watches. I was able to buy the same watch listed for $180 in the mall store for $80 at Costco.

I also have a membership at much larger Sam's Club which I use less frequently than Costco because Sam's location is inconvenient and because Costco's features make it easier to use.

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No fee at Wal-Mart[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by Anonymous User on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:57:19 AM PDT

There's no annual fee at Wal-Mart, and although their electronics selection is limited, their return policies are very good on anything you buy--I've even got a refund on a DVD that wouldn't load on my system. Sam's Club has a lower membership fee than Costco, by the way.

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Wal-Mart return policies[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#36)
by jam on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:18:44 AM PDT

I'm not sure about other items, but I'd watch out about software returns at WalMart.  A few years ago when Intuit had the activation issue on TurboTax, I had bought it at a WalMart.  I tried to return the software to the store, but because it was opened, they would only exchange it for another identical item.  Given that the CD wasn't defective, but rather the software on the CD was, that wouldn't have helped me.

I ended up using TurboTax that year since I couldn't return it, but haven't bought TurboTax since.  Of course, this isn't an Intuit gripe, but more of a gripe about WalMart, so watch out with software returns there.  I'm not sure about computer hardware, as I've never tried returning electronics to a WalMart.

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Only one gripe with Costco[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#39)
by Anonymous User on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 11:33:32 AM PDT

My only gripe with Costco is that (where I live at least), they force you to use their AMEX card. I've never cared for the way AMEX does business, specifically the high-pressure to purchase services when you activate your card and earliest in the month due date for bills, usually allowing only one weekend in which to pay the bill in order to get it in on time before they try to charge a service charge (with no allowance for envelopes postmarked before the due date). Costco itself is a good place with which to do business, their gas prices are usually always the lowest in town as well.

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AMEX[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous User on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:21:10 PM PDT

I wouldn't say they force you to use AMEX. True, it is the only CREDIT card they accept, but they do accept debit cards with the mastercard/visa logos. This doesn't apply to their web site; they will take VISA/MC credit cards online.

That said, I do use an AMEX card there. I didn't notice the card activation process to be any worse than that of other cards. AMEX's return protection and Buyer's Assurance (warranty extension) have saved me lots of money over the years.

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AMEX Card[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#41)
by Anonymous User on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:24:49 PM PDT

Not true about Costco's AMEX card. I use my personal AMEX card at Costco or I use my Visa debit card. Either works well.

Sam's Club also accepts limited cards including debit cards, Discover, or a personal or company check.

I shop at both because each offers products I want that the other does not carry.

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Costco[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#48)
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Don't forget, the $45 membership fee is fully refundable anytime, even after a year.

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Costco computer purchases[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 11:04:47 AM PDT

About two years ago, my in-laws were looking for a new PC. They had decided to buy an eMachines system, and I discovered Costco had a comparable system to the one they were considering, and at a better price.

They don't have a Costco membership, so my wife and I purchased the machine on their behalf. At every step of the way, Costco employees made sure I understood that computers only had a six month return window. Given that even big chain stores generally allow (at most) 30 days to return something, and quite a few offer 15 days (or less), I was impressed.

BTW: I've bought a few things at Costco that had rebates. They've largely done away with rebates, but their rebates were far-and-away the easiest (and fastest) rebates I've ever gotten. You can go to Costco's website and punch in the receipt number and it'll show you which rebates you're eligible for. You click to get the rebates, and the check arrives in a couple of weeks, tops.

Costco is my preferred place to buy lots of stuff.



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COSTCO[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 04:28:09 PM PDT

I have been a loyal COSTCO for many years.  During that time, I have have returned very few items - I think it is because they sell higher quality items than is found at other stores.  I must confess I have not bought any complete computer systems, as I prefer to build my own.  However, I can vouch for the ease I've had in returning other items.  

The last item I returned was a box of laundry detergent that I had been using for the past two years.  Even though the box was 2/3rd gone, I had no problem returning it for a full refund.  If this problem had happened at any other store, I would have just thrown it out.  Somehow, I felt a loyality to Costco to return the item with an explanation of the problem.  I want to help them succeed.  

I'm not sure why I felt this way - Perhaps I thought they would listen and put out an improved version in the future.  I don't get that feeling at many other stores, particulary ones that have more than 25 employees.

 

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Detergent[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 06:17:14 PM PDT

2/3 of a box of laundry detergent lasted you two years???

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Can you say big sizes?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 08:06:03 AM PDT

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Wow...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#55)
by dogbert on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 02:11:59 PM PDT

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Defective Soap?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 06:25:13 PM PDT

How is a box of laundry soap defective?

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Who cares ?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 02, 2006 at 10:45:46 AM PDT

The powdered soap stopped disolving completely - the result was tiny white bits remained on my clothes after the wash.

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Another Satisfied Costco Customer[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 11:05:57 PM PDT

I, too, have been a faithful and happy Costco customer for years. I will say one thing, though - I've often had a 'question asked' upon return of an item... generally, something along the lines of, "Is there anything else we can help you with, sir." They really do a spectacular job. Oh, and I agree with the rebate comment. Nobody does it better!

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No Costco, but Sam's Club[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by wantobe on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 06:56:33 AM PDT

We don't have Costcos in my neck of the woods (that I know of), but you could all be talking about Sam's Club as far as I'm concerned. My wife bought her HP Laptop there, and the 3 year extended warranty was only $75. I wouldn't have gotten it if it weren't for the very plain language of the deal: if something goes wrong I take it to them and it's either repaired or replaced.

And for those getting ready to fire off a post about how stupid getting the extended warranty is, don't bother. I get a warranty like that for the same reason I buy auto insurance. I hope I never need it, but it's cheap enough to make it worthwhile in case I do need it.


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My take on Costco vs appliance stores[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 11:31:24 AM PDT

I agree with the positive things others here have said about Costco. However, I find their selection around here to be somewhat limited and sporadic. When I'm looking for something specific, electronic or otherwise, I can hardly ever find it at Costco. But I have come across good deals on things I wasn't necessarily looking for. I too have been burned by CompUSA and Best Buy, with their extended warranties. Those fees are pure profit for them, so its to their advantage to avoid accepting exchanges. I've had a very good post-sale experience with Circuit City, though.

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Sam's Club ! I was just going to say the same.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#53)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 07, 2006 at 12:14:19 PM PDT

No Costco here either, but there is a Sam's club. Most recently I bought a laptop for my wife which had a minor problem that I was afraid could turn into a bigger problem. It was replaced immediately. The second one showed the same weakness, which could have been a batch problem. They suggested that a wait a few weeks until the next shipment, which I did. When it took it in for the second replacement, they check and found the price had dropped, so gave me a refund of 106 dollars in addition to the new replacement. This is the only time we have ever had reason to experience their warranty service and it's the kind of thing that creates loyality.

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Costco Fee[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 11:24:50 AM PDT

It always amazes me how people are put off by the Member Fee at Costco! I save nearly twice the fee in just the milk I buy from there every year.

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Amen to that...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 01:06:04 PM PDT

I've got four kids, and their yearly fee is recovered within one month - just in the savings in the cost of milk. Also, we ended up buying a leather recliner last weekend at Costco that saved us over $300.00 compared to the "sale" price of a similiar recliner at the local big box furniture retailer. As far as returnes are concerned, on one occasion I had to return some software that I purchased from Costco that wouldn't run on my computer. I was amazed how much of a "no hassle" attitude they had when I made the return... ON SOFTWARE!!! They just asked if there was a problem with the software, and I told them it wouldn't work on my computer and "POOF", I got my money back... I was amazed.. I've been a loyal customer ever since, shopping there at least once a week.

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You guys . . . you don't know how to raise hell[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 11:30:30 AM PDT

I think some of you are wimping out by being too polite. When faced with something like the CompUSA situation, raise your voice to a yell if necessary. Pound the counter. Insist on seeing a supervisor. Call CompUSA headquarters on your cell phone while standing there. I have gotten great results by being an ass. Not to be crude or funny . . . it's just true.

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Same with Fry's[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Reziac on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 11:59:06 AM PDT

Back in 1995, I bought a refurbed laser printer from Fry's. Got it home and discovered the innards had been pilfered (no imager, no toner cart). Now, by law, refurb is supposed to be "good as new". I took it back to Fry's, and the returns clerk gave me a song and dance about how they weren't responsible... I got rather loud in front of a long line of people waiting to return stuff, and soon had both a manager in attendance, and a replacement printer, with ALL its body parts this time (I made them open the box and check).

I still have the printer, but I've never bought anything at Fry's since.

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~REZ~
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Escalate Immediately[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 01:09:23 PM PDT

I have experienced the "we don't do that anymore" at a major retailer and I had the original warranty docuemnt right there in my hand. If I get any hint that the person serving me is going to stonewall me I just say, "Fine, let's go see your boss." If the boss won't help, then I ask for the boss's boss. I once insisted one sales rep call the VP of Marketing at their corporate HQ while I stood and waited for a replacement of a defective item (which I did get!). If they won't go up the ladder, I just ask for their business card so I can get their name right when I write to the higher-ups and the BBB - that generally lossens them up. I should note, though, that in all these dealings I was absolutely entitled to what I was after. BTW, raising your voice (just a but) and looking very, very angry in front of other customers also works quite nicely.

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Doing Business with CompUSA?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 01:25:27 PM PDT

I have found it a waste of my time to try to help any retailer like CompUSA to improve their customer relations. They simply don't give a damn about absolutely anything other than maximum profits on their bottom line. They represent the apex of success by MBA types of making an operation so efficient that they have totally forgotten why they are in business. Their business is making money. Their business is NOT to serve their customers.

My second to the last straw was when they absolutely refused to accept a traveler's check for equipment I attempted to buy for a client when on a business trip. I have used traveler's checks throughout the world without question including my local grocery store. But, a nationwide computer operation refuses to accept them.

My last straw with them was when they refused to accept my Corporate American Express card for payment. So I went directly across the street to Best Buy and made my purchase there.

CompUSA is owned and managed by a gaggle of inept wantabes. If I can't buy my computer related stuff at another local store I will order it online from PCConnection. Their service is outstanding.

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The point is...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous User on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 04:27:49 AM PDT

why should you have to do that? Especially if you can buy from someplace that won't put you through that. For those of us who are conflict-avoidant, it's not only the stress of the return, but the stress of the conflict on top of it. I don't buy all of my electronics at Costco, but I do look there first.

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Cheers for Staples[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 11:35:36 AM PDT

I bought an Epson Color Printer from Staples a while ago and the paper transport (a plastic part) broke. This would not allow paper to be fed properly, making the printer useless. It was past the Manufacturer's 1 year warranty, but I had bought an extended warranty from Staples, at the time I bought the printer. First I called Epson to see if I could get the part replaced. They sarcastically said, "...that it's time for a new printer." I called the number on the extended warranty and was told that within 10 days I would get a credit card good for the FULL purchase price I originally paid, applicable to anything at Staples. I was not even asked to send back the old printer. Sure enough, within 10 days, the credit card came in the mail, and I was able to buy a new color printer with an extended warranty of course, without spending an additional penny. I always buy from Staples or Costco for that reason. They have great service.

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Best Buy[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Gypsy Baron on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 11:45:39 AM PDT

This probably explains a lot. I read this in the Washington Post on 1/31. "...in the year ending on Feb 28, 2004, service contracts accounted for 45 percent, or $600 million, of Best Buy's $1.3 billion in operating profits.."

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Not for me, thanks...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by The Masked Marauder on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 12:13:30 PM PDT

9 times out of 10, the so-called "service contracts" offered by retail stores are nothing more than rip-offs. The only thing they service is your wallet....

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Best Buy[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#33)
by Anonymous User on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 06:08:00 AM PDT

Like when they try to claim that if you buy the extended warranty they'll replace the battery in your MP3 player when it goes bad. You just know they're liars when they make those claims

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