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The Patently Absurd Blackberry Case

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 12:34:38 AM PDT

The RIM v. NTP patent case has been hanging fire for so long that it's easy to lose sight of what it means in the big picture. Quite simply, a company that invented a truly innovative device and its customers are being held hostage by some invalid patents and a few legal sharks who know how to exploit our intellectual property system. And what that means obviously is that something is very, very wrong with this picture.


A number of my readers have grown increasingly restive as the media is filled with stories about the unlikely but nonetheless real prospect that a judge could order the Blackberry service shut down in the U.S. as early as this Friday. What really steams even some readers who aren't Blackberry users themselves is the idea that such a disruptive threat to so many could be based on patents the U.S. Patent Office seems certain to eventually invalidate. "What's with all the David and Goliath stuff?" wrote one reader in reference to news stories that have portrayed NTP as a brave little outfit challenging the much larger Research in Motion (RIM), creator of the Blackberry wireless email device. "Get a clue, people. If these patent attorneys and former patent examiners win, who is really going to benefit other than them? Only Microsoft or some other giant that can steal some of RIM's business because of it."

The seeming obliviousness of the "rocket docket" court in Virginia, homebase of the patent-holding firm NTP, Inc., in racing toward an obvious injustice also outrages many. "Basically the consumer may be up the creek because two companies are having a patent dispute," wrote another reader. "You buy a product and come to depend on it, only to find out at a later date that you may not be able to use that technology because of a questionable infringement claim. Ultimately, everything we do is based on someone else's work, but it seems like 'intellectual property' has become a hydra with endless permutations. I guess we should be paying royalties to the inventor of fire."

Of course, the readers who are most upset are those whose companies are using the Blackberry as a critical part of their communication infrastructure. "It is a real pain," wrote one reader of scrambling to make contingency plans for a corporate sales staff addicted to their Blackberries. "What really ticks me off is that they're going to make an exception for the government ... If they're going to turn the service off, they should turn it off for everybody!"

Therein might lie the one silver lining to this ludicrous situation. With the government having to contemplate the prospect of emergency workers and disaster response teams having their communications cut off, perhaps Congress will finally be motivated to do something about a patent system that everyone knows is badly broken. And if the Blackberry cases demonstrates one thing, it's that minor reforms like improved patent office reviews are not going to be nearly enough. Fixing the system has to start with the recognition, already understood by the rest of the world, that software and Internet business method patents are an abomination and need to be tossed out.

It is certainly far more likely that RIM and NTP will reach a settlement, or continue this already interminable legal fight for years to come, than that an earth-shaking injunction will be enforced in the next few weeks. And, for the sake of Blackberry customers, let's hope that's indeed the case. But let's also hope that we don't soon forget the image of perfectly innocent technology users being caught in the vice of an intellectual property system gone haywire. Keeping that picture in mind will remind us that patents are actually supposed to reward the inventors of innovative products, not punish their customers.

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Invalid patents?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 09:54:37 AM PDT

While I'm not familiar with the details of NTP's patents, I don't quite buy the argument that they are invalid. That's for a court to decide. But consider this: if you do away with patents, you do away with protections for innovators, and you undermine any sort of openness about what makes something tick. With no patent protection, victory will ALWAYS go to the ones with deep pockets or the ones who can produce an item for the lowest cost. We might as well divide up the world between Microsoft and China right now.

There was a guy named Bob Kearns who, 40-some years ago, invented a gizmo to delay the cycle of windshield wipers for driving in misty conditions. He approached the Detroit automobile manufacturers, and they blew him off -- then turned around and added the feature to their cars. Kearns sued them all, one by one, and eventually collected something like what the idea was worth. If there were no patent protection, he would have been out of luck.

In the 1980s, Eastman Kodak came out with an instant picture camera that essentially used the same processes as the patented ones of Polaroid. Polaroid sued and won, and Kodak had to withdraw from the market. With no patent protection, I think there is no question that Kodak would have eventually driven them out of the market altogether. Sure, you could say that the owners of the Kodak cameras suffered as a result (although Kodak did compensate them), but was it really right for Kodak to benefit from the processes that Polaroid invented?

Put another way, would it be right for me to start my own Gripelog and steal your lucrative idea. (Okay, maybe not so lucrative, but you get my point, don't you?)

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Huh?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 10:07:05 AM PDT

Go back to the beginning and read all of Ed's post. He's talking about software and internet method patents, not gizmos that work windshield washers. He's talking about Amazon's one-click patent, and all the other stupid patents that claim special privileges on techniques that have been around for years.

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Reform does not equal abolish[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by jjh1102us on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 10:19:21 AM PDT

I'm not sure that suggesting the patent system needs serious reform is the same as saying we should do away with patents. Clearly, the idea of delivering e-mail to a wireless device is something that should be intuitive to anyone - I've got e-mail, I've got a wireless device, why wouldn't I want to get e-mail on it? Patents should be limited to ideas that truly innovate, not just implement obvious solutions.

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ntp / rim[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:00:40 PM PDT

The real problem with the patent system is lawyers who exploit it by aquiring patent rights (for pennies) they have no intentions of developing for commercial use. It was only a few years ago another law firm (or perhaps it was this one) was suing small businesses with e-commerce for infrigment on their patent that generally discribed "selling products on the internet" even though they never typed a letter of code that could be used for e-commerce. NTP and firms like them wait in the shadows for others to build a succesful business they can attach themselves to, very much like a leach, drawing blood/cash but contibuting nothing to the product. Were this the actual developer who intended to build a business I could have sympathy but this is not the guy who invented delayed windshield wipers, far from it. Think of a patent as a party. This is a pack of lawyers who did not throw this party, did not bring anything to this this party but will leave with bag holding all the best food and drink. In short; if you hold a patent you should be required to actively develop it or lose the rights to it.

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Abomination[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 10:20:18 AM PDT

Software should be protected by copyright, not patent. Business methods can be trademarked, copyrighted, or simply held as a trade secret. Patents for ideas are obscene, and against the public good. Just picture Charles Babbage's heirs filing patents on the idea of a computational engine and suing IBM, Intel, AMD, Apple, Motorola, etc. for a share -- and getting an injunctiopn to shut down all computers everywhere until they were paid. Ludricous, and no different from the Blackberry situation. Patents are only appropriate for a tangible good, or a manfacturing process for a tangible good.

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Not a bad analogy[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 10:36:15 AM PDT

Let me start by saying I side with RIM on this issue - but to play devil's advocate a little bit...

The guy who invented the delayed winshield wiper - let's just say that all he had was an idea and a patent. No prototype, no businessplan, and no funding. I think we all agree that the auto manufacturer's tried to rob him of his idea and he got his due by suing them.

How is that different from NTP? They had an idea we are calling obvious (hindsight???) and whether they could not get funding or the technical know-how to implement are they not due the same consideration we give the guy with the windshield wiper idea?

I could argue that automatically turning your windhshield wipers on and off is obvious.

I am intentionally ignoring some of the facts here. They guy with the wipers had more than an idea - he had a working plan of HOW to implement his idea. Not sure how much of a working plan NTP had...

I differentiate this from one-click shopping or business process patents because of prior art. People had buttons that you click to do many tasks long before Amazon came up with it and the expense to fight it outwieghed the utility for 'small guys'.

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Ideas aren't enough[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 08:12:36 AM PDT

BUT, would the Patent Office have granted a patent for just the idea of intermittent wipers without some sort of detailed plan or implementation? I don't think so, details of a product are a crucial part of the patent application process.

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Doesn't work.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#37)
by ObviousTroll on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 03:47:49 PM PDT

you can't patent an idea, you have to have an implementation of that idea to show the patent office. At least, that's how it was when Bell and Grey(?) raced to see who would be first to the patent office with a working telephone.

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Patent Law is a Mess[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by srynas on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 11:11:43 AM PDT

In response to Anonymous, the validity of patents is determined by the patent office, not the court system.  If I recall correctly, the patent office had issued a preliminary decision to invalidate the NTP patents, but the Court ruled in the favor of NTP because the court could not "speculate" on when the patent office would make a final decision.  I would assume that once the patent office makes a final decision, that it would rule in favor of RIM..

Furthermore, while each of Anonymous' examples point to one form of clear patent abuse, Anonymous is apparently overlooking the growing abuse of patents.  Patents were once granted for working devices that perform a specific task, they were not granted for ideas.  Patent holders today are debasing the patent concept by claiming that ideas, generic tasks, product variations, or even products that have not been introduced commercially can all be "protected" under patent law as intellectual property.  Additionally, the time honored concept of reverse engineering to develop an alternative method of performing a task appears to have been criminalized.  We need a revitalized patent law that protects true innovation when it is introduced into the marketplace.


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Boston?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by rodak on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 11:25:17 AM PDT

"In the 1980s, Eastman Kodak came out with an instant picture camera that essentially used the same processes as the patented ones of Polaroid"

Hey, completely OT, but wasn't this the project that Tom Sholz, lead guitarist/songwriter for Boston, developed?

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Invalid patents?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 07:20:22 PM PDT

"Put another way, would it be right for me to start my own Gripelog and steal your lucrative idea?" Yes, it would and that's the point. Ideas are nto patentable - atleast that is supposed to be the way it works. The advent of biological, business method, and software patents have all but wrecked the philosophical underpinnings of the patent system. But the fundimentla point is that "You can not own an idea". Ideas are not property, they have very few of the attributes of real property. The broken IP system we have eveolved in the US threatens to destroy one of our most cherished freedoms - Freedom of expression. Underlying all expression are ideas. Can Ed own the concept behind the GripeLine ? If so then Can Craig own the idea of the List ?, What about Blogs? Newsites? Maybe we shouldpatent Democracy ? Relativity ? Gravity ? That someone could own gravity is absurd, but not really much more aabsurd than all too many patents granted today. Then there is the claim/false hope that atleast Patents expire and the situation will be self correcting. Microsoft's original FAT patent was created in the early eighties - an is long expired. Yet the media has hyped the contest over the validity of a more recent patent pertaining only to the specific way in which long file names are created that is not a particularly novel or interesting idea - it is little more than good basic programming, yet according to the hype should it hold up all OpenSOurce will collapse ? Additionally the Patent office is swamped, they do not even have the ability to make certain they do not approve a patent for something already patented - and they do regularly. Yet despite this the courts - rightly, because it is NOT their job to analyze the validity of patents, but to answer the sole equally difficult technical question of whether the defendants product infringes on the plantiff's patent. There are alot of ideas to try to fix the patent system. Mnay good ones, but they are all band aides.Over 200 years ago we created the modern system of intellectual property. Our founding fathers held their noses as they did so - they called patents and copyrights monopolies. The motivation for overcoming their distaste was to attmpt to balance the disparate power between individual authors and inventors and large enterprises. Yet within a few decades it was obvious even to them that Patents and Copyrights had actually made the situation they were looking to correct worse, but by then the system had attained its own life. The intellectual Property system is going to self destruct eventually. Ignoring philosophical arguments, as a practical matter the system does not work, can not be fixed and will only get worse with time. But despite that though there are starting to be rumblings of basic understanding, there is still an enormous amount of money involved, and we are far from either the political will or the fundimental understanding of its problems. Fortunately most of the world has NOT followed our example any permitted bussiness method and software patents. Hopefully, they will continue to observe and learn from our mistakes.

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My "Lucrative" Idea[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Ed Foster on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 10:39:58 PM PDT

Yes, indeed, anyone who wishes to compete for all the fabulous wealth I'm making off the GripeLog is more than welcome to do so. But pretend for a moment I actually wanted to stop someone from "stealing" my idea. What legal recourse would I have?

Well, if you actually ripped off my material, or called yourself the GripeLog or the GripeLine, I would certainly have a chance of making a case against you under copyright law. But if you just did an online computer gripes website of your own -- and some people already have, and some of them are pretty good, as a matter of fact -- copyright law would give me no claim on you. And that's obviously the way it should be.

But the way patent law works now, I conceivably could have an Internet business method patent on the very concept of people posting their gripes about technology products. (The fact that this business method doesn't have a viable business model behind it wouldn't count against me.) Since I haven't applied for such a patent, someone else could file for it tomorrow. And given all the extremely inane patents that have been granted in recent years -- NTP's patents being not even close to the worst -- it's possible they'd succeed. Once they had it, they could easily drive me out of this lucrative business.

That is the way patent law is being interpreted by the courts these days. By the way, as pointed out in this Slate article, we can attribute this plight to a case of "judicial activism" run amok. So if the judge in the Blackberry case does shut them down, it is only another step in our judicial system's march toward the supremacy of intellectual property over all other considerations.

Ed Foster



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Kearns patent dubious as well[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 05:40:21 AM PDT

I remember scratching my head at that Kearns intermittent wiper patent. I have an old issue of Popular Electronics from the early sixties with an intermittent wiper circuit project to build. The date of the magazine predated his patent by numerous years.

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Not always that simple[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by Anonymous User on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 05:17:54 PM PDT

Kodak developed and marketed an instant picture system that they believed was not infringing on the Polaroid patent. When the patent case went to court, Kodak lost and they didn't appeal. They chose not to pursue the appeal not because they thought the judgement was correct, but because the market for instant cameras was rapidly going down the toilet. What's the point in pursuing a patent appeal for a market that was going away anyway?

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Patents that make no sense[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 10:27:53 AM PDT

I've read where one guy has patented the idea of placing a camera on the tv set and then joining in a virtual group all watching the same sports game. He did not invent a technology to make this happen, just the idea. He's sitting on the patent waiting for the first company to introduce such a device and then he'll claim a right to royalties. This is nuts. Patents are for original idea. To be able to patent the idea of putting one thing on top of another or (as recently demonstrated in an MS Windows lawsuit) to patent putting something inside another (a frame) is not an idea, it's a concept. It's not patent-worthy.

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But Congress...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by BufNGruff on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 10:29:44 AM PDT

FYI: Congress staffers use Blackberrys. I have a friend who works in the Capitol building and they have them. No pressure here, folks. What is the fundamental differnce of Blackberrys and what you can do with a wireless Treo now? How come this group hasn't gone after Palm / Treo?

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Bad Patents[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 11:27:05 AM PDT

The patent office has been approving bad patents for years. In college I worked on a simple chemical process, well-documented in textbooks, using carbon disulfide to hydrolize protein. Half way through the project we stopped, partly because a rival patented the process documented in the textbooks! Yeah, it could have been contested, but we weren't talking about mission critical technology or large profits. Why waste the money. There is no guarantee that patent examiners are at all current in what is being done in a field. Some software ideas are patentable. Software is a machine, of course. Figuring out a clever, economical implementation of an algorithm is an improvement as much as finding a better sparkplug material. However, most of the business method patents, such at NTP's, are ridiculous. Not only are they obvious, in many cases they are the first idea someone thinking about the problem would come up with.

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blackberry patents[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 11:39:08 AM PDT

Why is it so wrong to go after someone who uses and makes money with your patented idea without paying you for it? Ask Iowa State University about their patent for the device that encodes and decodes fax--companies all over the world appropriated the idea and made millions on their fax machines without paying Iowa State a dime, until ISU filed suit againt all of them. Prejudging the plaintiff's patents as invalid without a hearing or trial is no different than judging an accused criminal guilty without hearing all of the testimony and evidence. Let's let the system do its job and quit whining about how many people might be inconvenienced. Just because it is a large number does not justify letting someone get away with patent infringement. The end does not justify the means.

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Why does everybody assume RIM is the good guy?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 12:43:43 PM PDT

I read the long version of this issue in The Economist (for some reason, the British always seem to put the facts ahead of the hype unlike the US Media). NTP is not some faceless lawyers trying to screw a big company/deep pockets. It is the story of a true entrepeneur who slaved away his whole life building telcom/pager devices albeit not building a billion dollar business of it. He invented, and built the stuff - not just a paper napkin design. He is the honest-working "good guy" that many of us with creative ideas but without the wherwithall to push them can empathize with. RIM is the big, bloated rich kid that feels they can walk all over the little guy and rip them off. (Think Google versus the world, IBM versus the rest of the BUNCH, Apple iPod versus all the MP3 players/music stores, etc., Microsoft versus Stacker, etc. etc.) Just because they make a lot of money and have a lot of customers that would be impacted if the ruling is against them doesn't make it right to violate this little guy's patents. It's like saying during WW II the Italians shouldn't get rid of Mussolini because they really like having the trains run on time!

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Techworld Article[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by srynas on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 01:35:13 PM PDT

RIM may be be "bloated rich kid", but it seems to me that they appear to be the "victim" in this case. If RIM copied Mr. Campana's engineering transistor for transitor, then RIM would be guilty of patent infringement.  However, if RIM designed it's own system for "Electronic mail system with RF communications to mobile processors and method of operation thereof" they would NOT be infringing on any patents provided that their engineering drawings are different from Mr. Campana's. You can not patent an idea, but you can patent a specifc device.

http://www.techworld.com/mobility/features/index.cfm?featureID=2241
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February 09, 06
BlackBerry lawsuit: all you need to know
Want to know more? Here it is.

By Lamont Wood, Computerworld

The BlackBerry patent infringement case has led to a whirl of recent legal filings over the future of the popular wireless handheld device. This list of answers to frequently asked questions provides background on the case and its potential impact on users.

Why are they talking about shutting down the BlackBerry wireless network?
Because about two years ago BlackBerry vendor Research In Motion (RIM - of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada), lost a patent infringement lawsuit in US courts brought by a company called NTP. The court awarded NTP damages amounting to US$53.7 million and issued an injunction that would shut down the operation of the BlackBerry network in the US. RIM got a stay of execution for the injunction, but NTP is expected to seek to have it reimposed later this month.

What is NTP?
NTP is a holding company created in 1992 to manage certain patents belonging to Thomas Campana, an electrical engineer. The firm operates out of a lawyer's office in McLean, Virginia. It has licensed patents to other companies and has two dozen shareholders, mostly lawyers in the Washington area. In 2002, Campana sued RIM for infringing five of his patents and prevailed in the original trial and on appeal. He died in June 2004, but NTP has carried on the suit.

What does NTP have against RIM?
They want royalties for the patents. The injunction is a weapon given by the court to NTP so NTP can ensure payment.

"We have said that we are more than willing to license RIM on a reasonable royalty-paid-up basis," said Jim Wallace, a lawyer with Wiley Rein & Fielding, in Washington, and lead trial counsel for NTP. "RIM has the keys to its own jail."

RIM did not comment for this article, but has stated repeatedly in documents that it considers an injunction "inappropriate" on public interest and legal grounds.

Are BlackBerry users in trouble? They're not involved in the lawsuit. But if the injunction does go into effect, they may lose service inside the US. There would probably be exceptions for users in public safety organizations, plus a 30-day grace period.

But while RIM has exhibited a penchant for brinksmanship, it is considered unlikely that RIM will submit to an injunction rather than settle. As noted by Gartner analyst Martin Reynolds, RIM has 4 million users paying $25 a month - and no responsible company walks away from $100 million per month in revenue.

What are those infringed patents?
Principally, we're talking about good ol' 5,436,960, titled "Electronic mail system with RF communications to mobile processors and method of operation thereof," which was filed May 20, 1991. And then there are four others: 5,625,670, 5,819,172, 6,067,451, and 6,317,592, each with a similar title; they are considered continuations of the first.

What do the patents cover?
To quote the trial findings, they describe a system where "a message originating in an electronic mail system may be transmitted not only by wireline but also via RF, in which case it is received by the user and stored on his or her mobile RF receiver. The user can view the message on the RF receiver and, at some later point, connect the RF receiver to a fixed destination processor, i.e., his or her personal desktop computer, and transfer the stored message."

Isn't that too obvious to be patented?
A lot of patents seem obvious after the fact, noted Reynolds, adding that it hardly seemed obvious in 1991.

If imposed, how long would the injunction last?
Until the expiration of the last patent, on May 20, 2012. But there's a question as to whether the patents will be around that long because all five have received a "nonfinal rejection" from the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO).

But if the patents have been rejected, how can there be a patent infringement lawsuit?
Because a patent is not considered invalidated until all appeals are exhausted. The patent owner can ask for a re-examination of a nonfinal rejection, and a final rejection can be appealed to the USPTO's Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences. The board's decisions, meanwhile, can be appealed to the federal Appeals Court.

"Patent law and case law do not intersect until the very end," noted Peter Misek, a analyst at Canaccord Adams, an investment bank in Toronto.

Why were the patents rejected?
On re-examination, they ran afoul of recently discovered prior art, meaning that something similar had been described in print at least a year before the patent was filed. (Prior art is what keeps you from patenting the wheel.) The examiners were especially troubled by a 1989 planning document for a mobile data network by the Norwegian Telecommunications Administration, called Telenor '89. Certain claims were subject to additional legalistic quibbling.

But if the patents are headed toward rejection, why does NTP bother fighting?
Because NTP thinks the patents will be upheld. Wallace says the patent examiners, in making the rejections, used an overly broad construction of the patents' specific claims. The narrower construction was upheld in the infringement suit, and he is confident it will be upheld again if and when the patents reach the federal Appeals Court.

So, as long as the patents are considered valid, NTP has RIM in a corner?
RIM has stated that it has another alternative: It can re-engineer its system so that it does not infringe on the NTP patents, presumably downloading new software to its installed base of customers. If the court agrees to the idea, then the possibility of a shutdown goes away for the near future.

"But there could be a new trial every time the software is updated," warned Reynolds.

"Implementing a work-around will only delay things," agreed Misek.

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NTP wants (and gets) it both ways[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by wantobe on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 03:34:55 AM PDT

So far, the courts are allowing NTP to have it both ways. They want their own patent to be broad enough to cover any transmission of email wirelessly to a hand-held device. But they claim the examination of prior art is too broad to cover their own "specific" patent claims.

It should be as simple as this: either RIM is copying a specific NPR-patented technology, or they aren't.


Rob Miles
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't.
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bad analogies[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 08:34:40 AM PDT

As I understand it, Microsoft personnel stole Stacker's actual code which they were give to examine and were sued. Mussolini never applied for any patents on facism that I am aware of. And I don't see any articles claiming that RIM stole any device/software from the NTP inventor. So the inventor (now dead) tried to build an email system to a portable device. As I have read it from various sources, it wasn't totally successful and he ran out of money / support. Does this mean that for the next millenium that no one can build an email system to a portable device without paying NTP royalties?

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Dificulty in Developing a Really good Analogy[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by srynas on Wed Feb 22, 2006 at 09:49:28 AM PDT

First, you are hitting on a very valid point, which is what this case is about. The patent trolls want to expand the scope of a patent to include any similar technology/device so that "no one can build an email system to a portable device without paying NTP royalties."

Getting back to the intermittent windshield washer analogy. If John Doe builds a chip to run the windshield wiper he can patent it and should get royalty fees if an automaker uses it. However, I can also patent, build, and market my own intermittent windshield washer device provided that I do not use any of John Doe's circuitry. RIM is free to build an email system to a portable device just as long as they used a technological solution indpendent of NTP.

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Perhaps a better analogy[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Fushigi on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 08:13:28 AM PDT

would be AMD making x86-compatible processors. Early ones (in the 286 days) were licensed. Later ones may have been reverse-engineered; I don't recall anymore. Current ones, and for the past several generations, are a clean-room design to ensure no Intel patents/copyrights are violated. Basically they wrote their own internals to the Intel "API" (machine code instructions).

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Much Better Analogy[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by srynas on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 05:16:58 AM PDT

Thanks.  It clearly gets to the point. You can patent the device(CPU chip); not the work to to be accomplished using that device. This allows others to develop their own solutions to accomplish the same task without the threat of patent infringement.

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