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Has WhenU Really Reformed?

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 12:09:49 AM PDT

Among the large adware companies that have done so much to ruin the Internet, observers have generally considered WhenU the one that's come the furthest in changing the spywarish ways that got it started. But be that as it may, many readers doubt WhenU actually gets permission from all those who find it installed on their computer, including one reader who recently had that experience herself.


"After weeks of suffering ads popping up all over the place by WhenU, I was determined to uninstall it," the reader wrote. "This in itself turned into something of an obsession, because lo and behold I can find nothing to uninstall. I have sent emails -- some not very pleasant, I must admit -- but to no avail. My computer is now scheduled for a visit to a wizard I know, who hopefully will be able to solve this problem. Not without cost to myself, I hasten to add."

The reader had only one suspect for how the WhenU adware wound up on her computer. "All I can think of is that it came from a screensaver I downloaded," the reader wrote. "The screensaver certainly didn't say anything about other material being installed - in fact, it said something about being a safe site. WhenU didn't show itself until about two days later and I know I didn't agree to anything. I deleted the screensaver, it was impossible to find the files to delete WhenU."

The reader finally got an anti-spyware cocktail that completely rid her system of WhenU, but she remains angry about the whole experience and WhenU's total silence to her pleas. "I did email WhenU, after days of trying to delete it," the reader wrote. "But they were very clever about hiding their contact information, and details on their website were very sketchy to say the least. They never replied to any of my attempts to contact them. How can a company get away with this? I have always been careful about installing anything, kept my anti-virus software up to date and until this suffered no problems. I find it hard to believe it's legal for them to behave this way."

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WhenU[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by tcsbiz on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 07:37:46 AM PDT

How do you know you have WhenU on your computer? I don't have too much trouble since I use three different spyware products but have never seen WhenU identified by any of them. I'll keep an eye out for it, though.

Thanks for the info.

Tom.

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    Can happen to providers, too.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
    by foxyshadis1 on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 04:07:36 PM PDT

    Reminds me a bit of the way that ThemeXP bundles spyware with most of its themes and desktops. You have to use a Wyse decompiler to get to them. They only started doing it about two years ago, and at the bottom of each is a statement "* This author has generously allowed us to wrap this file to help keep our costs down. Click here for more information." but when they first switched to the new format, hundreds of the artists complained on the boards that they had never agreed to any such thing. Their ToS also mutated overnight to include that stuff and make it retroactive, somehow.

    Their setup program is very sneaky, it installs 4-5 different spywares, and only tells you about one or two, in glowing terms. I think one is installed the moment you run setup, before agreeing to anything, but that might be some other bundle.

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    Clever at Hiding Contact Info?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
    by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 05:41:36 PM PDT

    With all respect, I went to www.whenu.com and clicked "Contact Us" and was presented with an email form, a phone number, and an address I personally have eye-balled as accurate, down to the WhenU logo in the office.

    The author also does not allow for the possibility of WhenU being installed by another malicious piece of software.

    Now, why they didn't respond... well, it's tough to argue with that. Sounds pretty bad for them not to have even a canned responce. :\

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    WhenU responds[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
    by Amanda on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 06:01:21 PM PDT

    I work for WhenU, and it sounds like the uninstall problem that "Anonymous User" experienced is a previously identified bug in a screensaver download track which had been promptly shut down, and an immediate fix was provided to those who contacted WhenU's help desk. Such bugs are currently very rare for WhenU, but bugs happen -- see http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archives/2005/11/27/whenu-responds-to-media-motorimgiant-installs/ -- what matters is how you handle them. Any bug is serious to us, even if it affects a small % of downloads. That's why we decided to display a toll-free number for live help on every ad we show. This serves as a sort of early-warning system, enabling us to fix the rare bug fast; in fact that's exactly what happened in this screensaver case. But I remain mystified as to why "Anonymous" felt that WhenU was "hiding" contact info. WhenU's toll-free number for live help appears on every ad served; WhenU is the ONLY company that does this. There's also a "contact us" link off the whenu.com homepage with phone, fax, email and snail mail address. And WhenU's pre-install disclosure is similarly upfront and hard to miss. "Anonymous," if you're still out there, we'd appreciate it if you would call 866-WHENU-11 so we can figure out what email address you used and how your emails ended up going unanswered; the Help Desk staff (who sit not far from me) generally answers all emails and calls received immediately or within 24 business hours max. And if anyone else is having a problem with this screensaver thing or anything else having to do with WhenU software, please don't hesitate to call 866-WHENU-11. Sorry to take so long to reply; I'm supposed to be on vacation this week, but I'll be back online periodically if anyone has any other questions.

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    You should quit your job[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
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    I've forgotten my login since its been so long since my last post, but as a faithful reader I think this sounds like a legitimate rebuttal, worth another look from the Gripe Log, since the title wondered whether the company had changed its stripes or not.

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    Re: WhenU responds[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ed Foster on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 12:31:28 PM PDT

    I have alerted the reader in the original story to your offer to look into what happened to her e-mail. It is of course entirely up to her to decide if she wishes to contact WhenU at this point.

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    No doubt..... couldn't have said it better myself[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
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    Still no sympathy from me[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
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