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Rather Rough Rollout for Redmond

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:07:55 AM PDT

I can tell right now the Gripe Line is going to be a bit Microsoft-heavy in the coming weeks. Not only are Vista and associated new business products bound to raise hackles on DRM and other fronts, it would appear Microsoft was not really all that well prepared even to help customers buy the software.


One reader buying Office 2007 Pro Plus under his company's volume license agreement was left empty-handed after paying his money. "Since the media is not available until January, it appears that I just spent $15,000 in licenses for software we cannot use, since Microsoft themselves cannot tell me where to download the media. My reseller is also trying to figure this out right now, but can't find anyone to tell us what to do. Chat support directed me to their support number, who refused to help. They even told me that the product was still in beta, then told me that they cannot support it and told me to go to the office web site. I asked to speak to a supervisor, and was hung up on. No one at Microsoft even seems to realize that the software has been released yet. I have spoken with about six people and chatted with three people, who all redirect me to someone else."

Microsoft continued to lead the Office customer on a merry chase for hours. "One rep did not seem to be aware that the media kit was still unavailable and acted surprised that my reseller did not have the CD available. Then the rep transferred me to someone else, who took me to licensing.microsoft.com, which I was already logged into. Nothing there for me. I entered my enrollment number but still do not see my software, so now I am being transferred to support for that sight, who told the tech after 5 minutes of waiting to go to a different number for media kit support. Now after 20 minutes on this call, the rep said that this media is available, but he is going to ask his supervisor for an updated sheet for some reason. He came back and said I need to get the media from my reseller. I told him that no reseller has this and that Microsoft is supposed to have it available for download. He is going back to his supervisor. When he came back he told me that my reseller should have the web site info to get my download. My reseller doesn't."

Ultimately the reader did discover the download procedure, but only after talking to what seemed like half the people in Redmond. "It appears that since we have a corporate Select level A agreement with Microsoft, and that our CIO is in charge of our program, I needed to go to licensing.microsoft.com and request access to my agreement, which then sends an e-mail to my CIO, who happened to be out for two weeks, requesting the access. Then, after he granted my access, I could see the agreements, but still could not download anything. I called Microsoft and found someone who knows what is going on who walked me through getting the download access. What sucks is that over several days I had about five hours total time lost trying to get this software because Microsoft was clueless."

Another reader ran into a somewhat different series of problems when trying to redeem an upgrade coupon for Vista. "With any good e-commerce site it is always good design to provide back buttons so the customer can make corrections to their order, or at least provide a review page that has links back to make corrections. Microsoft's Vista upgrade page has none of these BASIC e-commerce features. So, if you make an error, like selecting the x32 Vista Upgrade when you wanted the x64 Vista Upgrade, you have to go all the way to the order confirmation screen to CANCEL the order and hopefully try again. I did exactly that when there was no 'back', 'review' or 'modify order' links to make that change. No big deal, I canceled the order, so now I can go back and use my upgrade coupon to do the order right ...WRONG. Apparently the e-commerce software flags the upgrade coupon as used even if the order is canceled. This is horrible and sloppy e-commerce design."

As with the Office buyer though, the Vista upgrader's real problems in trying to get any help from Microsoft to correct the problem "Just try and use the 'Contact Us Link' and get a response. That thing has got to be a black hole. They didn't even have the courtesy to set up an autoresponder. A half dozen e-mails over a week and a half to the upgrade redemption e-mail address received no response whatsoever. When I finally did get some answers, they contradicted each other. I find the whole experience very poor indeed. So how long has Microsoft been getting to roll out Vista? This is the best they can do for their upgrade website?"

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No Legitimate Vista or Office for me, anymore[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by James Bond on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 04:28:10 AM PDT

Poor Microsoft. They cannot even sell their own software well.

Not that I want to buy, anyway. Vista and Office 2007 are the most DRM infected crapware right now. They contain all sorts of piracy checks which, if going wrong, can reduce the computer/software to "Reduced Functionality Mode" which is pretty close to useless. Can Microsoft be trusted to make these "piracy checking" perfect? Of course not.

Microsoft cannot even make the WGA (Windows Genuine (Dis)Advantage) crapware for Windows XP work perfectly. If you care to search it is pretty easy to find reports of false positives (that crapware labelling Windows as pirate when it is not), ways to bypass that WGA check or fool the WGA crapware into believing you have a legitimate version of Windows XP, even when you do not.

My suggestion: Do not buy anymore from the crap company known as Microsoft and the other crap company known as Symantec. Just a waste of money. Stick with what you have, and start to explore alternatives now.

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Vista for Numbers not Content[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by 33nick on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:01:35 PM PDT

Obviously we will hear a lot about Vista and Microsoft in the coming weeks. All of which will help Microsoft as far as advertising, better negative press than none. Obviously Microsoft shipped out Vista before it was ready. Obviously intentionally, they can afford it with 95% desktop market. Obviously the idea is to get it out before Christmas in order to spur interest and get people ready to buy. Like all other OS Microsoft came out with before, it won't run great on current systems and it is geared for newer systems customers will be forced into. Obviously drivers won't work well, and Office will have problems also. In the end, it's the way Microsoft has always operated, not on quality software but helping the industry by churning out bloated OS that current system cannot fully support, which makes people buy newer systems. Brilliant and expensive for users! It's sad to see how we completely sold out to Microsoft. I know I stopped the maddening cycle and went over to Apple. And guess what, when I install Tiger on my 10.3.9 machine it actually works faster and better! Now that is a good system.

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Why the rush to upgrade?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by gigogogogown on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 01:44:39 PM PDT

I know Microsoft is a big bad corporation, but why would someone fork over $15,000 without knowing what they are getting? What is the big rush to upgrade?

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Why the rush to upgrade?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by jhp on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:07:03 PM PDT

I bet the rush was the need to spend the money on this years budget not necessarily a need to have the software right away. Either way, the customer should be able to spend the money and get what they purchased. Personally if I ordered something from Microsoft I wouldn't think I needed to check if I would get the product delivered to me (until I read this gripe!)

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Just say NO to Microsoft ... at least for now.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by billm21 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:29:30 PM PDT

Budgets or no budgets ... that is not an excuse to upgrade software that has not been tested and proven. My feeling is that anyone that rushes to upgrade to Vista and the new release of Office gets what they deserve!

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Budgets & Buying[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Fushigi on Wed Dec 13, 2006 at 11:55:41 AM PDT

Just because they are buying the software (or at least trying to) now doesn't mean it will be installed right away. If the money in the 2006 budget is not spent there's no guarantee that the money will roll over in to the 2007 budget. Frequently budget dollars are use or lose.

Also, perhaps they wanted to use several copies on test machines to do internal testing before rolling out to the masses. For instance, we have over 40 common applications and a grand total of well over 100 applications in use where I work. No release of Windows can be deployed before we've tested the entire portfolio against it. It is a lot of work and takes weeks, sometimes months. But it can't begin until we get the software itself.

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Why bother?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by skwerly on Wed Dec 13, 2006 at 01:03:39 PM PDT

"Also, perhaps they wanted to use several copies on test machines to do internal testing before rolling out to the masses."

A reasonable assumption, but why even bother doing so?  What does Vista offer that they don't already get with XP?  Is Vista more secure?  More stable?  Does it support products that XP doesn't?  Is tech support better?  

If the answer is yes to any of those, do the improvements compensate for the expense of weeks or months of testing, installing, debugging, patching, tweaking, sitting on hold, screaming, crying, curling up in a corner, and dealing with DRM technology that insists you have illegal copies even though you're holding a $15,000 receipt?

IT departments the world over have spent years getting their XP boxes working the way they should.  Do people really want to start all over again?  Why?!

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Testing[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Fushigi on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 10:15:11 AM PDT

Well, how would you know what Vista can offer your company without testing it?

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Re: Testing[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by skwerly on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 12:13:24 PM PDT

Um.. Google?

I dunno, I'm not an IT guy.  But it occurs to me that one should research a product before shelling out hundreds or thousands of dollars on said product.

D'oh, I just realized I merged the two callers in my mind.  The $15,000 guy is for Office, the other caller is for Vista.  I'm sure they both did their research and decided an upgrade was in their best interests.  Still, my question stands.  Exactly what is so great about Vista, or Office 2007 Pro Plus, that XP and the older Office doesn't already have?  And is the greatness worth the grief?

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Google for testing[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Fushigi on Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 05:42:37 AM PDT

Relying on some blog or forum entries or anything shy of a vendor statement of support will fail the test component of a change management system (which is a critical component of the application rollout). That can result in a red flag on a Sarbanes-Oxley, SAS70, or other audit. Corporate management would not be pleased.

Also, many mid-sized and larger firms have internally written applications; nothing on the 'net will discuss those.

SOP is to bring in a few copies of the software, preferably for free but that's not always an option, do an applications inventory, and do compatability testing between the two. For many companies the cost of the staff time for the inventory & testing will far outweigh the cost of the licenses for the test machines. As many companies use a mix of mass-market (Windows) and proprietary/vertical market applications, people from all business units will wind up getting involved in the testing.

My personal opinion is that any new software product, be it from Redmond or elsewhere, should be left out in the sun to dry for a bit before you even bother to test it. Wait for three or so months or until the first round of patches has been released. Then test against the patched version as it likely will have fixed any glaring issues, which will speed your testing. It also lets those who do adopt early work out the kinks in a deployment strategy, letting you use Google to help find eficient methods for deployment.

Especially when it comes to a desktop operating system, this isn't easy. My employer spent months doing the inventory & testing. In the end, though, it was worth it as the deployment went very smoothly.

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Vista and Office 2007 downloads available[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by IndioITMan on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 02:51:04 PM PDT

While I HATE poor customer service, especially from big corporations, you have to have been "born yesterday" to think everyone everywhere in a place as big as Microsoft would be completely up to speed the day after a product releases (even the QUARTER after). A little patience goes a long ways. For the volume biz buyer, I found all flavors of Vista and Office 2007 waiting to be downloaded at my eOpen.Microsoft.com account. All of our Office 2003 licenses were purchased with the 2007 release looming and so the new keys were waiting for me to use. As far as the service *I* have experienced...it's been exemplary and above reproach. IndioITMan

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Microsoft licensing is hell.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by foxyshadis1 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 at 05:07:24 PM PDT

I bet part of the problem is that there's just so damn many plans, with new ones added and old ones made unavailable every year, that no one at the help desk usually knows the who what when where why of them all. And of course, if you're anything like most companies, you've dealt with several resellers, with liasons who have left the department or company, and if you don't have the right inside contact you can waste much valuable time when no one knows what's going on and seemingly has no capability to look up info that any CRM system should have.

In fact, finding just such a mess at my company after coming in was a primary factor in my decision to let SA go hang; it took 6 hours with the owner and myself on the phone with microsoft and our vendors just to get to the point where we could reset passwords, log in to both accounts, and get needed serial numbers. We tried off and on to have them consolidated for years, until both finally expired.

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Big corporations[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by sk43999 on Wed Dec 13, 2006 at 05:40:12 PM PDT

<<you have to have been "born yesterday" to think everyone everywhere in a place as big as Microsoft would be completely up to speed the day after a product releases>>

Sounds like a good reason to break up Microsoft!  Where is Judge Jackson?

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This is the best?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Nobody Home on Mon Dec 18, 2006 at 02:48:44 PM PDT

This is the best they can do for their upgrade website? Apparently...

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by sconeu on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 05:02:56 PM PDT

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