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IPod LCDs: Made to Be Broken?

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 12:02:14 AM PDT

One has to wonder if a manufacturer ever has to honor its warranty when a device develops a cracked LCD screen. Can't the company always, as we've often seen, just dismiss the claim by presuming the customer must have been at fault? That's what one reader was left to wonder after being told that Apple will never cover broken iPod screens under its warranty policy.


"Reading the latest tales of woe about Dell laptop computers with bad LCD screens brings my daughter's video iPod to mind," the reader wrote. "Two months after she got it, the screen suddenly was displaying a useless smeared blob. Apple's response was that LCD damage is ipso facto customer abuse, and not covered by warranty. End of story, move along please."

The reader's daughter had no idea how her video iPod suffered the damage. "The iPod had been in her knapsack which had been her carry-on onto an airplane," he wrote. "She had used the iPod on the airplane. She carried the knapsack off of the plane and to the car. No direct drop of the iPod, no known slamming of her knapsack -- it was never in the hands of airline luggage-handlers. When she went to use it the next day, it was cracked."

The reader's daughter took the iPod to the Apple Store where she had purchased it. "The person in the Apple store physically looked at the iPod, but was very firm on the fact that no LCD damage would be covered by the warranty," the reader wrote. "He asked if she had dropped the iPod, and she answered no. His response was along the lines of 'Well, in any case a broken LCD is not covered by the warranty. You can either buy a new one or go to ipodresq.com."

Since Apple was saying the two-year warranty was now worthless, the reader and his daughter started searching what alternatives were available and was struck by what a thriving business iPod repair seems to be. "Turning to the web, we discovered several businesses that prominently feature one day turnaround on iPod LCD replacements." the reader wrote. "I find it rather interesting that on the one hand, Apple is so confident in its engineering and quality control that screen damage, by definition, is customer abuse, yet on the other hand third parties have developed full-blown business plans around the fact that large numbers of iPod LCDs need to be replaced."

"LCD replacement is not the only business generated by the shortcomings of the iPod LCD," the reader wrote. "After getting the screen replaced, my daughter asked me to get a protective case for her iPod the next time I went to a computer store. The packaging of some of the cases prominently indicated that the case had a clear cover over the screen to protect it. Bolstering my opinion was a story on Public Radio's Marketplace on Friday 9/1 about myriad entrepreneurs who have filled the vacuum caused by Apple's prohibitive cost of repair or refusal to repair and started iPod repair businesses."

Apple's iPod and its warranty promises were made to be broken, the reader believes. "My personal conclusion is that the iPod LCD is under-engineered," the reader wrote. "Whatever may have happened to the knapsack was part of its normal usage. In my opinion, the iPod's mechanical design is simply unsuited for its intended use."

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I-Pod screens[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 05:26:21 AM PDT

I find this interesting if only because of my experience with my Zire 71. When the screen on my then newly purchased device failed the service department imidiately sugested that it was covered by warrenty and probably a design failure. No questions asked. Iv'e stayed with Palm ever since.I can't say the same for my Ipod The 4G mini that I use has caused me to wonder if my next device might come from another maker.

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Silly Arguement[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 09:12:16 AM PDT

As a person who is in a position to see hundreds of non-working iPods a month, I find this article really silly. First off, the screen of an ipod, by itself, is somewhat fragile. just like the internal Hard drive. but unlike the hard drive, the screen cannot be damaged by g forces or "shocks" because there are no moving parts. The outer case, which includes a clear area for the screen is made out of thick plastic, and it is the main support that holds all of the iPods innards together - the metal backing is a shell over the top of the materials all stacked into the plastic housing. This plastic provides excellent protection from casual impacts - however it does not protect against crushing pressure. putting an ipod in a bag, loose, gives it the chance to have someting small wedge between something heavy and the ipod, transferring all it's pressure to a single spot - like the headphones wrapped around it pressed up against a heavy book. One backpack adjustment, pulling it up over your shoulder again, and you have a cracked screen - all because you didn't bother to think about physics. I end up saying this all day long - "Your iPod has nothing in common with a cell phone, CD player or your old walkman. They are small laptops, with similar rules on their usage (keeping them clean, free of moisture, no dropping, and away from crush pressure" Keeping a svelte Mac Book or Mac Book Pro loose in a book bag, stored and toted around constantly without a case, will lead to premature hard drive failures, cracked screens, and damaged cases. the same goes true for your iPod. Treat is nice, you have a good 4 years of use out of it. Treat it badly, and you'll end you writing a crybaby story on line. And you're welcome to inspect my 1st gen, 2nd gen, 3rd gen, mini and Nano rev 2. - they all still work. J

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That's right, blame the victim[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 09:59:18 AM PDT

It's too bad you have to live in a world with incompetent jackholes like us, huh, Mr. Perfect?

Never takes long for one of your sort to show up.

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Re: That's right, blame the victim[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 10:18:37 AM PDT

The screen had to fail somehow. They don't just spontaneously explode.

The only ways I know of (I'm not the original poster you replied to) for an LCD panel like this to fail are temperature extremes (which can cause expansion of the liquid crystal and crack the panel) or pressure on the unit. It had to happen somehow, even though the original poster, in their own words, doesn't know how it could happen.

The original poster also states that the unit was in a knapsack. How can this poster know whether or not the iPod sustained an impact from something inside the knapsack during that time?

I have a hard time believing this failure was due to defect. There is a reason I got my wife a hard acrylic case for the iPod Nano I purchased for her birthday, and there is a reason I use the protective case that came with my third-gen iPod when I'm traveling with it. That reason is that Apple never touted the iPod as unbreakable, and for a device that expensive, I plan to make sure it always looks and performs as new by protecting it.

P.S. To the original poster, I don't take the number of iPod repair sites as proof of anything other than that there's a great business to be had in non-warranty iPod repair. The iPod has been selling for a long time, through five generations now, and there's plenty of people who have scratched, dropped, laundered, or otherwise broken their iPods and want them repaired. iPodResQ has had years of experience repairing Apple Computer equipment (as MacResQ, their sister site), and is easier to deal with out-of-warranty than Apple, so that's where they go.

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I agree[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 08:26:37 AM PDT

I think the problem is that a lot of people who have iPods don't realize that they aren't very rugged. Throw in that a lot of them are kids who tend not to to be too careful with things in the first place, and the result is a lot of broken iPods.

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They're rather rugged[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 11:17:34 AM PDT

These guys tossed one out of a car at 30 mph, and it still worked fine: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/3 It took dropping it from 9 feet onto concrete before the display broke, but it still worked. They ran over it twice with the car, and it still worked. They finally broke it completely by throwing it as high as they could (40+ feet) and letting it come down on the pavement.

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pressure on screen[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 11:23:58 AM PDT

you mention pressure on the screen. would that include an internal pressure change coming off an airplane?

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re: pressure on screen[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 11:52:09 AM PDT

Since commercial airliners have pressurized cabins, air pressure changes should be slight and shouldn't cause issues. By pressure, I meant an item (such as a book, or other object) that might shift in transit in a knapsack and come into contact with the iPod's screen.

My iPod third-gen has survived an airline flight quite fine, as has my notebook computer with a much larger LCD screen. If air-pressure changes were an issue, there would be a lot of complaints by now.

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Aircraft pressure and LCD damage[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 04:22:54 PM PDT

The cabins in commercial aircraft are "pressurized, but not completely, only to the equivalent of about 6000 feet when the plane is cruising at 30000 to 40000 feet. However, unless there is a sealed space within the LCD assembly, the pressures within and without will change together, and with no pressure difference accross the screen, no movement or damage should occur.

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Eh.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#37)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 17, 2006 at 06:43:09 AM PDT

There is a vacuum-sealed component in an LCD display. (See elsewhere in this thread for more.)

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Airline Pressure and a missing patern[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 01:51:35 PM PDT

If the question is about cabin pressure in an airplane, wouldn't everyone that flies with an iPod experience a similar fate? At least on the same flight? I don't think it was air pressure. I think even the original writer suspects it was damaged in her backpack, because why would he bother to mention the backpack if it weren't a suspect? I feel for the young lady, but sometimes these things happen, even if by accident, and when they do, we must accept responsibility for our own failure to consider how this may have happened. I have also seen a similar incident where a police officer didn't consider the consequence of putting his mouse in his laptop bag, and as a result of doing so, cracked his lcd display. This is on of lifes hard lessons. [:-(

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IPOD LCD - not fragile (appologies to BTO)[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 12:17:44 PM PDT

I have an IPOD mini that I keep in a pocket inside my soft-side laptop bag. I flip the belt clip around backwards to protect the screen. It has survived a lot of "bag-abuse" that way. I remember when the Palm-Pilot first came out. (I still have mine in the junk drawer.) One company sold a titanium saftey case because they were "mission critical"

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Define "victim"[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 10:27:33 AM PDT

Surely you don't expect money back from Ford if you drive their big honkin Expedition into a Mack truck? If you break it, I don't see how Apple is at fault or liable to replace it under a "defect" based warranty. None of the Mp3 players are tennis balls, nor were they billed as such.

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Re: define "victim"[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 11:38:27 AM PDT

If your 8-yr old kid slams the door of your new Ford Expedition and the window glass shatters, whose fault is that? The kid's, for not treating the rugged Expedition with the proper respect, or Ford's, for not using sufficiently tempered glass?

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The kid's fault.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 08:24:34 AM PDT

Trying to blame Ford for your kids' actions is ridiculous.

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Great Article, i agreee with you[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 12:05:43 AM PDT

dis j'ai jamais vu de poisson sans ouies........et avec une forme pareille.......Internet Marketing 迷你倉 護膚 .

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Yeah, but...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 12:47:18 PM PDT

If I'm driving down the street and do nothing more then go over a bump in the road and the engine falls out, I would expect that to be considered a defect subject to repair at the manufacturer's expense.

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Re: Blame the Victim[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 11:26:20 AM PDT

Make it two. Would you like some cheese with that whine? People like you who don't bother to care for their toys, and then cry to the manufacturer to replace them when it's clearly negligence on their part make everything more expensive for those of us who can and do use appropriate care.

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Wrong...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 11:30:46 AM PDT

I'm an electronics design consultant. I've been doing it for over 25 years now and have designed lots of products with all kinds of LCDS, big and small.

LCD's are actualy MUCH more fragile than hard drives and I've seen dozens broken and fail for seemingly little or no reason. Do you actually understand how an LCD is made? It sounds to me like the LCD seal failed. This is pretty common. Once you remove the vacuum of the fluid seal, air enters it and the display goes either entirely black or develops a black "blotch".

It sounds to me like this is what happened. It happens sometimes because the seal was not perfect at the factory.

Anyway, its VERY easy to tell whether the damage was caused by impact or not. If the glass is not cracked and there are no visible impact marks on the face, the LCD failed internally and not necessarily because of customer abuse.

Personally, I think Apple should do the right thing and replace it. The goodwill they establish in treating the customer right and not like a lying thief far outweighs the slight cost of replacing the LCD. And believe me, the cost of the LCD to Apple is almost nil. All they are really writing off is the labor required to replace it.

Just look at the great press they are receiving from this now...

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What about Apple's TV ads[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by LANMan on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 11:38:10 AM PDT

All this talk about the iPod not being very rugged contradicts Apple's visual example of how they perceive it to be used on their TV ads with the 15- to 25-year old demographic jumping and flailing away on the street to double-speed crust metal.

At first, the car companies did the equivalent until they got sued into issuing the "Professional Driver - Don't Try This At Home" disclaimers as they abuse their vehicles in their ads.

So, with all those non-warranty repair shops out there you'd think there's enough population for a nice size class to be certified.

Snob attitude from a snob company.



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Argument not that silly[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 12:55:50 PM PDT

The argument is not as silly as you make it out to be. The iPOD is advertised to be a portable device; this implies that a significant amount of thought should have been put into designing for the portable environment. If the unit is subject to damage by crushing pressure on the display, some accomodation to mitgate that (including possible incorporation of an integral screen cover). To expect "portable" personal units like iPODS to be treated with precision instrument delicacy belies its advertised and intended use.

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Time for a "sports" iPod?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 07:56:38 PM PDT

I only had my 5G, 60 gig iPod since July and figured that getting an extended warranty (from Apple) would be a nice investment since I planned to use it a lot. So much for using it a lot. So much for the extended warranty. It wasn't *after* the LCD screen went kaput did I realize why this part of the iPod wasn't covered under ANY warranty/service plan! It's small, it's thin, it's way too fragile. And apparently, quite expensive to repair/replace, judging by the fees on various iPod repair sites. All it took was a slight bump to the unit to cause the screen to go kaput. I'd hardly call that abuse. Apple's definition of "accidental" is so broad that it translates to one simple terminology. Everyone is "SOL." I didn't even use the iPod under heavy duty circumstances (e.g., sports). It was always kept neatly tucked on my belt. There was no stress put on the unit whatsoever. Apple won't fix it for all the reasons already stated, and I'd rather spend the repair costs towards...something. I'm very wary about getting another iPod (next generation or otherwise) and having to go through this again. Not unless Apple makes something more durable. Something that can handle, well, everyday use.

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Alternative[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 07:47:54 PM PDT

Don't buy one to put in a backpack. Looking at my son's I can tell without reading anything that it is not rugged. A warranty on the screen would make it much more expensive. Better to invest in the protection mentioned above. I have a 6 year old tiny Aiwa AM-FM radio with dynamic super linear bass that just sounds incredible. The music is free of course. When the clear plastic panel over the LCD got scratched up enough to hide the stations I cut it off with my Dremel tool. For the last 2 years I've run it off of one $3 Rayovac IC-3 15 minute AAA rechargeable battery. Check it out on Amazon. The 15 minute rating is for real and the batteries work extremely well. It lasts about a week used every day. The one battery more than paid for the charger at 50 cents saving per charge. My kids fell in love with the batteries. I bought my son a 4 AA battery pack for his IPod with them in it for XMas. My kids swear by them. Wal Mart quit carrying these batteries because you reach a point where you don't need to buy any more AA or AAA batteries.

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Cracking screens[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Supporttech on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 11:36:07 AM PDT

The LCD display cracked inside my digital camera. I called the manufacturer as it was only 3 months old and they covered it under warranty as the external window was not cracked. Apple is making a devie that is highly portable and IS going to be subject to some rough handling. Not all people are going to baby them especially younger users. They should be designing for use in the real world or they should come out with a toughened unit. I mean take a look at their commercials it shows a twenty something dancing around holding an ipod. I can see that flying out of their hands and shattering on the ground or the display breaking in their hands as they gyrate around. Lastly a cracked screen should not cause the entire warranty to be void. That's like saying a got a crack in my windshield on my 3 month old car. Oops the car manufacturer cancelled my warranty because of that.

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Not just the screens[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 11:30:19 AM PDT

There are more potential issues with iPods than the screens... I've been seeing a large number of iPods that appear to have hard drive damage-- they don't boot up, show a 'sad iPod' icon, and the drives make a clicking sound. While it's certainly possible that given rough handling, the hard drive could have crashed, in all the cases that I've seen, instead the cable to the motherboard has worked a bit loose... on the 4th generation iPods (and some other models), this is very poorly engineered-- the cable has a connector that generally works well on the end that attaches to the hard drive, but the bare cable just slips into a socket on the system board end. On that end, it's held in place with a piece of black tape-- but given the number of problems, that's just not good enough! While Apple has made it hard to open the case, it can be done... in many cases, opening the case, carefully flipping up the hard drive, pulling up the black tape and pressing a bit on the cable is all it takes to bring the unit back to life. Total time- under 5 minutes. Total cost, zero. I've heard from lots of iPod owners who had given up on their out-of-warranty iPod for this reason, who have been able to resurrect it in this simple way. But I fault Apple for poor design.

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Ha![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Lazlo Nibble on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 04:59:22 PM PDT

Anon, thanks for that hard drive "repair" tip. My wife's 20-month-old iPod died a couple of weeks ago with similar symptoms (clicky hard drive). Apple wanted $277(!) to repair it, so it was obviously cheaper just to replace it with a $249 30GB model. Maybe if I fix her old one I can steal the flashy new color/video one for myself. :-)

And no, I didn't grouse to Apple about the old one dying at such a young age -- it's been dropped on the floor so many times that I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. Definitely getting the extended warranty from now on though.



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What a bunch of crybabies[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by VonSkippy on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 12:50:33 PM PDT

If you think the iPOD is under-engineered and too fragile for your ham-fisted treatment - vote with your dollars - buy something else (or at least have the brains to buy a protective case).

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I agree with "the reader"[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 02:09:10 PM PDT

If the screen is that fragile, then the product is being sold under what I'd call false pretenses. It's marketed, in one ad anyway, to be slipped into one's jeans. What are the odds that an iPod would survive that sort of use without being damaged in some way? Apple caught a lot of flak when the screen on one of its product was exceedingly easy to scratch. That was, of course, viewed as customer abuse as well as I recall.

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LCD breakage is almost always abuse.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 03:35:43 PM PDT

True story.

I worked at Nintendo in the early 90s when the GameBoy first hit the market. We had an almost immediate problem with massive amounts of broken LCDs coming in for warranty repair. "It just broke!" was the chorus. Claims typically included a child, a knapsack, the middle of the night, sitting on a pillow, air pressure changes, weather events, etc. But never, oh-never would anyone suspect their darling child was lying to them about the circumstances surrounding the death of their new $100 toy.

I worked in Nintendo's American Call Center and can assure you we VERIFIED that the then produced GameBoy did not spontaneously let the ink out. Every employee owned one. We stress tested them. We threw them around, into walls, floors, whatever. I don't recall one ever breaking. Except under particular circumstances involving something pressing into the face of the screen. Sitting on one might cause the screen to flex and crack. Hitting it perpendicular to the face might do it. Pushing a pen into it as-if writing might.

We were very unpopular regarding our "all broken screens are abuse" policy. But we were as certain of it then as Apple is now.

Flash forward to the early 2000's. My son's first iPod Nano came home from school one day with a dead screen. 25% dead. No ink blot though. I was assured it was just sitting in his knapsack. I was assured nothing bad had been done to it. I found evidence online that this problem is somewhat common. I went into the Apple Store and got a warranty replacement based on my claims.

Then I found out that a few days prior, at school, it had slipped out of his pocket, fallen to the floor and been crushed under his chair leg when he set the chair down to pick up the iPod. Amazingly, the screen just stopped working and did not break.

The moral of the story is simple. Apple, Nintendo, Dell, whomever, they have built millions of these things, they've inspected hundreds if not thousands of failures. They know the AFRs and likelihood that you or your child is either a. lying or b. not completely aware of the adventures your LCD has experienced on its way to breaking. When they say it's abuse, it's abuse. This is something to consider before giving a child a toy costing hundreds of dollars.

Personally, we've had really good luck with our iPod screens. Our kids iPods are getting stolen far more often than broken.

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Sound Design Engineering[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 06:15:29 PM PDT

Having seen a number of cell phones, Palm Pilots, iPODs, and Blackberries damaged by reasonably responsible - and even very careful - adults, I feel that these design of these devices is not environmentally friendly: the devices are generally far too easily broken under normal usage conditions, cannot be cost-effectively repaired, and are not reused or recycled. I have not damaged my Blackberry - yet - but I keep it in its protective clip in a special hard leather pocket of my fanny pack, which usually sits on a table in the hallway. In other words, on average I make or receive two to three calls or messages a week on my Blackberry. I would use it more often if it weren't so awkward to to get it out of its protective casing, and to use it safely one-handed while standing up. My companion has resolved some of the usage issues via a Bluetooth earpiece, but even so, while walking briskly across a parking lot the other night with his Blackberry clipped at his belt, a forward swing of his arm brushed his Blackberry out of its holster, and skittering across the pavement. Fortunately the damage was contained to some case scratches. I believe that the Blackberry case should be more durable, that the protective casing should be easier to
    intentionally
remove to allow access to the keys and display, and that the casing should be user-repairable and replaceable. Once the engineers have adequately addressed mobile communication device protection, then they can move on to bigger challenges such as diaper design: easy on, easy off, and a safety lock to prevent misfires.

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Engineering[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by partan on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 08:17:01 AM PDT

I agree that engineering devices for "real world" use is important.  However, desigining for "ease of use" is just as important.  Also, making something stylish might be the most important "engineering" for any device.  At least from a marketing perspective.  (What does that say about most consumers?)

I have dropped many cell phones over the years.  Thankfully, none of them have suffered any damage over just a few scratches on the case.  I don't usually purchase the "in" phone because they are usually so small they're hard to use.  Another thing I consider is durability.  Usually the smaller a device is, the less durable it is.  Thinner and lighter typically equals less material in the case and other protective parts.

Next time, you may want to consider getting a different MP3 player.  There are other brands that have great sound quality and are easy to use.  Maybe the only way to change Apple is to force them to make a more durable product by buying something else.  Until then, there's no real incentive to change.

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3 dynamics at work here[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by DSchaffer on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 10:44:21 AM PDT

I hear three dynamics -- all of them things the manufacturers have a responsibility to address: 1. Unrealistic expectations created by marketing and insufficient information given to the customer; 2. Products aren't designed to stand up to real-world use, and 3. No consideration given to repairability. If a part is likely to fail it should be replaceable, not require tossing the entire device.
David Schaffer There Must Be A Better Way Information at http://www.ThereMustBe.com Sales at http://ThereMustBe.Rite2U.com
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My experience with iPod support.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 03:57:10 PM PDT

I have to say that my experience with Applecare & Support has me not wanting to do business with this company any longer. My iPod shows no physical damage but was denied warranty coverage anyways.

My iPod 5G was freezing up every 8 or 9 songs, updating the firmware did not fix the issue. I requested warranty repair, they sent the box to ship the iPod back in, I packed it according to their directions.

Checking on my repair status I discovered the warranty repair was refused due to 'damage or abuse to the unit' - I called and inquired, the rep stated that there were dents on the back of the unit. I was very surprised by this as the iPod has been in a hard shell since I bought it and there were no dents when I shipped it. I requested that it be sent back to me as I was not going to pay $255 to fix a product that has a two year warranty (I bought Applecare on it).

Ten days later, I still did not have my iPod back. I called back and was told I would be transferred to the shipping department. I got transferred back into the iPod queue and had to hang up as I'd already been on hold for 40 minutes and did not have any further time to spend that evening on the issue.

I called back the next day, the representative I spoke to was very surprised I had been transferred the previous evening, she was able to find out that my iPod had _not_ been shipped back to me as yet, and arranged to have it shipped back.

When I received the unit back, I looked for the damage that was so horrible that it voided my warranty. I've shown the iPod to 10 coworkers, none of them were able to spot the damage Apple denied my repair for.

So I've got a $400 product that is useless that Apple will not repair. Needless to say Apple has lost a few customers in my company.

This is my second iPod, I've had two powerbooks and two imacs - if this is the sort of support Apple provides, I'd rather get a Dell - at least I can repair that myself with off the shelf components.

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Just because you can doesn't mean you should[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 08:45:28 PM PDT

In general, I have found the insinuation of several of the more popular devices that produce video imagery in a tiny window rather rediculous. Sure, you can take them almost anywhere and yes, it solves the problem of actually engaging the world around. However, if you want to watch TV, go home and watch TV. - not so anonymous Tim Andaya

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OMG![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by jaz7564 on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 09:25:44 AM PDT

Same exact thing happend to me and my iPod Nano, under two months from getting my nano my screen cracked in half! I DID NOT drop it or anything and they told me that is was user abuse, I asked them how this could be if I didnt drop it or anything and they said "you could have bumped it agence something for all we know" wow a $200+ item breaks after a "bump"?!? To say the least we where a bit p/o. Keep in mind i bought this 2 weeks after it was realiced so problems where still new. My dad, a very calm person, started to 'raise his voice' (according to him), at some point we where fed up with talking to the tech "genius" or the lacky geek and asked for the manager, after a few mins with her, and both of us yelling, she caved and replaced my nano, I now have a solid clear case for it and no problems sense them, beside the fact that the case that I BOUGHT FROM THE APPLE STORE! scraches the iPod Nano. (isnt that why you buy the case? so it protects it?) ugh... win some lose some i guess....

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You guys are overlooking the probably failure mode[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#33)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 08:26:31 AM PDT

She packed in a soft bag in the overhead compartment, and someone cracked the screen by jamming their bag into the same compartment. Anybody who thinks that portable electronics should be indestructable has never given a child a Gameboy.

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Corporate Warranties[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous User on Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 04:51:31 PM PDT

Anyone who has reached voting age in America should know the score... any company will skate on a warranty if they can. Your choice is to go high enough up on the corporate ladder, with a reasonable alternative such as, "You honor this warranty or I will do my best to publicly make it worth your while to honor a warranty of mine in the future" or your choice is to budget for planned obsolesence, or your choice is to not buy anything with moving part. www.gnuzworks.com

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Oh the irony...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#36)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 01:57:39 AM PDT

LCDs have no moving parts bigger than a molecule. :P

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