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No Upgrade Price for QuickBooks

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 06:02:25 PM PDT

What's a fair upgrade price for customers who have a previous version of a software product? Intuit has come up with an interesting answer to that question by deciding that the upgrade price for QuickBooks 2006 should be 100 percent of what new customers pay.


A reader was wondering why he was having trouble finding the upgrade price for QuickBooks when on one Intuit webpage he noticed a link saying "What if I'm upgrading?" Clicking on that he discovered that Intuit has eliminated upgrade pricing. "For our 2006 products, upgraders who already have an older version of QuickBooks and new QuickBooks users can purchase at the same low price," Intuit's explanation read.

"How's that for a benefit?" the reader mused. "You should be grateful that you can upgrade your QuickBooks for the same price as buying new! I used to be able to upgrade QuickBooks standard for about $100 per year. Now they insist on feeding you the Pro version -- with features I've never needed -- for $199.95, with no upgrade discount."

Now, you might wonder why the reader simply didn't refuse to upgrade and keep using his older version of QuickBooks, but that would actually cost him more. "What really hacks me off is that Intuit wants $17/month for employee tax table updates," the reader wrote. "I have 10 employees in a state without state income tax. I need just one tax table update each year. Intuit forces me to either buy a new version of the program (which includes a single tax table update) every year or to subscribe to a full year of tax table updates."

Of course, as we've seen over the years, the tax table trick is just one of many "sunsetting" tactics Intuit has developed in order to make upgrades of its products as close to mandatory as it can. Having many of its customers over the upgrade barrel, it's probably not all that surprising that Intuit has decided to make them pay more. "It's just not a very nice way for them to treat their customers," the reader concludes. But is it fair? You tell me -- post your comments below or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Intuit[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 02:33:19 AM PDT

And they wonder why people pirate software?!

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Quicken[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 07:34:27 AM PDT

My wife's boss gave us a copy of Quicken for DOS when we first got married. We used it for four years until I bought a multimedia kit that shipped with Quicken 4.0 for windows. Guess what I STILL use for my finances? You guessed it. I've thought about upgrading over the years and never have. I tried Money a year or so ago since it came for free with a new computer I bought in 01 and was not swayed (I had wanted to be able to sync my wife's palm OS PDA with it for budgeting purposes).

The way ALL these programs handle credit cards is mystifying to me. They all want to treat the payment of the credit card bill as an expense incurred in that month when the expenses were actually incurred in the month or two prior to the bill being paid.

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Good Job, Intuit![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by CzarKasm on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 09:12:45 AM PDT

Way to stamp out customer loyalty. I switched to TaxCut and Money years ago, and became Intuit-Free. Isn't there a decent alternative out there to QuickBooks?

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Quicken doesn't handle credit cards properly[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:11:19 AM PDT

Shucks, pal, that's easy...

The way to record credit card expenses when the expense is incurred rather than when the card is paid is to set up another Quicken account in the same database--call it Expense, say. Record the credit card expenses in the Expense account on the dates they were incurred, putting them into the desired categories. When you make a payment to the credit card company, instead of recording it as an expense in the checking account, record it as a Transfer to the Expense account. That creates a debit to Checking and a Credit to Expense. The Expense balance should always be zero when the credit card is paid in full. If not, make sure that all expenses are posted correctly.

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Peachtree as an alternative[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 09:48:32 AM PDT

When I was opening a small business a couple of years ago, I remebered all of the complaints against Quickbooks on this site so I went with Peachtree. While Peachtree (or is it Sage or Best? Who knows) is NOT perfect, I can use it with out upgrades or maintenace contracts. I can manually update the tax tables which takes less than an half hour. My accountant was so impressed with Peachtree over Quickbooks he has been changing all of his clients over. As a side note I have been trying a new accounting package called NOLAPro. It is L(W)AMP based system (Linux or Windows, Apache, MySQL and PHP).

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Office Small Business Accounting pretty good too[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#37)
by ryewoman on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 08:56:14 AM PDT

Small Business Accounting has been getting pretty good reviews up against QB and this is their v1 with v2 coming out in sept or oct 2006. Sure Intuit has 80 plus percent of the market, but they may have to change their upgrade tune unless they are willing to lose customers.

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Thanks for the reminder[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 10:06:08 AM PDT

I stopped using Intuit products several years ago when the OS X version of Quicken kept mysteriously losing old transactions and thus making it difficult to accurately keep track of my account. Their offshore support informed me this was not a bug.

Mystified, I tracked down a ton of message board posts on a variety sites and used that information to help badger my way into speaking with someone in the US office. Surprisingly I was told they had never heard of the problem before, despite the fact that I and many of the posters I had found had called Intuit, but would look into the problem and get back to me shortly.

They never did. I had to call them back to get a solution: buy the next version when it comes out. That was it. I was done with Intuit for good. I replaced Quiken on my Mac, QuickBooks on my PC, and switched to using Tax Cut instead of Turbo Tax.

This year I was informed the OS X version of Tax Cut will no longer be available. Since I prefer to use a Mac, I was actually having thoughts of going back to Intuit. Then I read Ed's post. It was a good reminder: Intuit will never get another dime from me. Ever.

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So load VirtualPC & use the Windows version...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 11:05:55 AM PDT

Or buy a new Intel-based Mac when it comes out. Just think of the number of developers who will now throw their resources at getting WINE working under OSx86!

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TaxCut[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Fushigi on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 05:08:32 AM PDT

Or just use it via the web at taxcut.com. No software to install.

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On other OSes...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 13, 2006 at 05:56:59 PM PDT

If you are willing to switch OS, too, you can import Quickbooks files using Kmymoney, wich runs under the KDE interface.

Ed Hurst (jehurst at gmail dot com)

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This Looks Like Software Subscription[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Timberbarn on Sat Jan 14, 2006 at 06:44:22 PM PDT

I personally find Intuit's policies to be miserable. They would be much better if their sales and packaging clearly identified that the license was based on a subscription model. I understand that many users are offended by needing to repurchase the entire product every year, but a $200 per year cost may not be unreasonable if the product provides productivity benefits to the user or business that exceed the cost. From the standpoint of customer service, the customer should be clearly aware that they are investing their valuable time into a product that requires a yearly subscription.

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What is a fair upgrade price for a television?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Jarulf on Mon Jan 16, 2006 at 12:40:04 AM PDT

So, what is a fair upgrade price for a television? Or a microwave owen? Or a shirt? Or my house?

I really can't see that there must or shoudl be any "upgrade" deiscounts. Of course, software companies can do so if they want, just as for example some care dealers do, but it is up to them of course.

In this case though, I think the question might be slightly different since it seems to be software that needs an update each year for correct taxes and such. That is hardly what one normally mean by "upgrade".

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Not a TV[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by wantobe on Mon Jan 16, 2006 at 02:57:54 AM PDT

there is generally no "upgrade" price for a TV because you are buying something outright; it remains yours. Same with a house or car. Who would buy either of those items from a company that states you only get to use it for one year, and after that if you want certain features like changing channels, taking baths, or playing the radio you have to purchase a yearly contract or just buy a new one altogether.

On the one hand, what Intuit is doing is wrong because they don't clearly identify your purchase as only being a yearly contract. Of course they would probably lose some sales if they did identify it as such, which is why they don't.

On the other hand, by now anyone who uses Intuit products regularly should know what they are getting into, and new users who don't do a little research (for any expensive purchase) have only themselves to blame when they get screwed. In our society today, it is very much buyer beware. It's good that sites like this exist to warn users about these types of practices, but it doesn't seem to make much difference to the companies when users complain.

Rob Miles
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Well...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Jarulf on Mon Jan 16, 2006 at 08:06:08 AM PDT

I was more commenting on the more general question in the introduction that talked about software in general, not one year working ones, which I mentioned in my reply, which is hardly the normal "upgrade" you talk about which is a new version out, similary to a new version out for the TV.

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Because TV's wear out, software doesn't[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Matthew Cervi on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 03:55:09 AM PDT

When you buy a new TV, you are getting all new components. Eventually those parts break down and you need a new TV. Software, on the other hand, may be 90% of the same code with the remaining 10% changed for new features. If I already paid for development costs through version X, then I should have to pay for the complete costs of X+1.

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Oops[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Matthew Cervi on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 07:10:49 AM PDT

Sorry, should read "should not have to pay for the complete costs of X+1."

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Upgrade vs Replacement[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 11:37:34 AM PDT

So, what is a fair upgrade price for a television? Or a microwave owen? Or a shirt? Or my house? I really can't see that there must or shoudl be any "upgrade" deiscounts.

Why should there be an upgrade price? Simple, it's an incentive to try and get the user to replace software they already "own" and that presumably works just fine. (Heck, even with upgrade prices there are a lot of people running Office 97 on Windows 98.) This reason doesn't really apply for the examples you cite (in my experience).

  1. Television - Don't know about you, but I don't buy a TV as an upgrade. Looking at my past purchases, they've either been replacements for broken units or second units to put in another room.
  2. Microwave - Only purchased to replace a broken set.
  3. Shirt - Could be a replacement for a worn-out shirt or (more common) an extra shirt. I don't think I've ever really "replaced" a shirt.
  4. House - This is closest to the software scenario. All of my moves have been from one livable house to another. And guess what, on all but the first I got a price break by selling my old house when I bought the new one.


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marginal pricing[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#53)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 02:43:05 PM PDT

It has to do with customer loyalty and the marginal cost of the product. The marginal cost of the software is $5-10 with packaging, so they have lots of pricing room. At the same time, you want a loyal subscriber base, and you maintain that by offering decent upgrade discounts. If you did not, then people have less of an incentive to stay with your product. A reliable customer who upgrades frequently is worth far more than one who buys the package and then leaves because you no longer offer a compelling value for them. The net present value for loyal customers is large in contrast to first time users. So there's the ability to price as desired, and the business case for discount upgrades. Intuit must believe that their market position is so strong that they can force customers to upgrade at full price without losing market share--something that even Microsoft, with far higher market dominance, does not feel they can do.

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I welcome Intuit's actions ..[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
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Intuit's Policies[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 10:56:09 AM PDT

I'm continually disgusted at the Intuit treats their customers, but since this has been well known for a number of years, the real question is why consumers continue to purchase the products to begin with??? I suspect that unlike this blog, the vast majority of critics and reviewers either completely ignore, or purposely gloss over these issues when reviewing Intuit software products. Should Intuit change their policies? Absolutely. Should they be forced to disclose these agregious policies up-front? Absolutely. But, the media could bring a swift change to this issue if they'd simply report accurately and warn their subscribers about this horrible trend each and EVERY time an Intuit product makes the news. Of course, it's pretty obvious why that doesn't happen... advertising dollars.

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Proper Media Reviews of Software[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#39)
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Those who review products don't even note copy protection in products that prevents the products from functioning, i.e., Norton Anti-Virus.

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I won't work for them either[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 10:58:51 AM PDT

My wife's parents moved to a new city and hoped we might move there as well. I'm a software engineer and they mentioned that Intuit was hiring. I told them (nicely) that there was no way I would work for a company that has changed so drastically from providing a great product (that I used to use) to a company that seems only interested in driving customers away.

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Quickbooks[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:13:13 AM PDT

I cannot figure out why anyone continues to use this application after what Intuit has been doing to their customers the past several years.

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Not everyone is an expert[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 05:07:36 PM PDT

In our case, a church using Quickbooks, the ability to find someone willing to learn a new system and then install the data into the new system makes changing packages problematic. Since we outsource our payroll, we don't need the yearly "subscription", but still wind up paying for new packages periodically. I'd love to move everything to PeachTree or some other package, but it's not really practical.

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Works well, but...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:26:06 PM PDT

The reason people keep buying and/or using the product is because, unfortunately, the software works well and is by far the best and most versatile package out there for under a thousand (or more) dollars. Intuit are predatory slime, but the software does the job they sell it to do (unlike many publishers out there).

I am using version 2000 of QB Pro (the last version without the endless embedded ads for Intuit and other "services"), and have been doing so for six years now. I do not use the tax tables or any other module which requires updating, and I NEVER, EVER let the software talk to Intuit, ever. They are notorious for "updating" modules and suddenly stuff stops working and you have to buy the new version. It's not enough to just set your firewall to not allow it access, incidentally. You must turn off Internet access entirely when using the program, or it will blow right around your firewall and download "updates" you don't want.

I have had virtually zero problems with the software (for the most part any issues were minor and often cosmetic), and see no reason to change or update for now. But I am keeping an eye on Microsuck's upcoming accounting package to see how the reviewers like it.


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Perhaps a Microsoft Alternative[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:23:28 AM PDT

I, too, have been a long-time QuickBooks user and once was even a QuickBooks Pro Advisor. That precious honor, sold to me with the promise of driving business to me, turned out to be a worthless crock of baloney. Although it is in its infancy, Microsoft's Small Business Accounting shows some real promise and I am hoping that Version 2.0 will be really ready to give Intuit a royal whipping. I would be only too hapy to say goodbye once and for all to QuickBooks and Quicken for a long list of reasons.

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Intuit Upgrade Price & MIcrosoft SBA[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by MikeBlockCPA on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 12:26:50 PM PDT

This really applies only to QuickBooks Basic. Other QB users got $100 list price reductions that about match the software rebates Intuit invented. Simple Start is like Basis for under $80, With under 20 TOTAL items, customers & vendors Simple Start Special Edition is FREE! You and CPAs should use http://www.paycycle.com/ for as little as $10 a month for outsourced payroll, direct deposit & all tax returns.
Mike Block, QuickBooks CPA: Intuit paid me to make QuickBooks & TurboTax ProSeries better. http://www.blocktax.com
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Next Year It Will Be 200%[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:28:49 AM PDT

Next year they may try to charge continuing customers double what they charge new customers, under the theory that customers have to be really really stupid to continue doing business with Intuit! (I never have and never will. If enough of us stop dealing with these companies, they'll go out of business or change their policies.)

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try Reader's Digest[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by jam on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 01:18:44 PM PDT

A similar thing happened to me a few years ago, when I used to subscribe to Reader's Digest.

Every year I would get renewal notices for the magazine, and just send them a check for the renewal price, which from the letter seemed to be the lowest price available to existing subscribers.  One year, I noticed that the price seemed excessively high.  So, I checked the cards that came in the magazine, and sure enough, the price I was supposed to pay was  quite a bit higher.  I don't remember how much, but it was something like twice the price a new subscriber would have paid.

I also looked back in Quicken over the past few years, and noticed that each year the price had increased a few dollars.  So, I called them to complain, and the guy on the phone gave me the lower "new subscriber" rate, but didn't say anything about fixing the root cause of the problem.  

Needless to say, after that next year's subscription expired, I decided that I didn't need the magazine any more, due to both the pricing structure, as well as ongoing reducing of the amount of content in the magazine.


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Discover Magazine Too[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by srynas on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 04:08:35 PM PDT

We received a "special" subscription renewal letter for Discover Magazine.  This was the same "special" price that was on all the new subscription post cards that fall when you open magazines.  I guess the marketing people can't perceive of their readers being able to compare these offers.  Though we renewed, it left us with a bad attitude. We won't renew next year.

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Intuit Finally Responds[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by drcmg on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 11:40:27 AM PDT

Maybe most of us have forgotten what got this particular topic started. I seem to recall that Ed got a number of complaints about individuals being able to go out and buy a full software package for less than the software company charged for the upgrade. Obviously someone at Intuit was reading GripeLine and prevailed on the company to respond to its valued customers complaints. Now no one can complain that someone can go purchace Quickbooks at a price that is lower than a current user can upgrade for. This is because the price is the same for both. Man it is nice to see that at least one software company gets the message:-(

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Is It FAIR?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by Deej on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 12:43:52 PM PDT

Of course it's fair. Obviously there are so many stupid people out there who keep buying Intuit's products and keep getting screwed over who encourage Intuit's behavior. You hear all sorts of (deservedly) negative comments about Microsoft and Symantec but there are also good things said about them. There is NEVER anything positive about Intuit. Don't buy Intuit garbage. Tell your PC supplier, when they offer it for free, that you don't want it, and you don't have much trust in a manufacturer who crawls into bed with them.

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Well... now I do have to respond...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 17, 2006 at 01:35:58 PM PDT

Let this count as a rebuttal of the "*NEVER* anything good said..." phrase above. We have a small business with around 30 employees and so far, we have been completely satisfied with the package and their customer support.

However, I would like to say that we are payroll customers - that means that we process our payroll fully through them and they handle the tax related paperwork. I am not saying they are perfect at all, but I would like to say that every single time the IRS has gotten themselves mixed up, all I have to do is to fax the IRS letter to Intuit at the proper department, I get a prompt 'faxback' saying they received it, I later get a letter from them saying they have resolved it, and then finally, I get a letter from the IRS saying the problem is resolved.

For an example, in 2003, we incorporated, the taxes ended up very confused because of the change in tax id. This past year (2005) we would get notices about every quarter about their confusion about a different quarter. After the third one, I figured the IRS would never get a clue and faxed the letter to Intuit with a request that they just send the whole year of 2003 to the IRS to get it over with. I guess they did... about a month later, I get a letter from the IRS again stating that 2003 appears to be in good shape.

We have not had a problem with being forced to upgrade unwillingly since they changed over from the manual tax tables to their current process. We upgrade about every other year as far as I can remember - primarily because we want additional reports which become available. Again, this may be because we have them do our payroll and the tax updates have been included.

Our customer support calls have all been fairly painless and successful. For example, one time I did have a problem with an update that downloaded and then would not install. When I called into customer support, not only did she understand what I was talking about, she stayed with me on the phone the entire time it took to resolve the problem. Afterwards, she wanted to know if she could help further.

Anyhow - I just wanted this community to know that not everyone thinks that this company is horrible. We really don't have any problems or issues with them at all.

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choices in the marketplace[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by Reziac on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 11:11:44 AM PDT

Most people don't know there ARE any alternatives. Go into any store that sells software and what will you see on the shelves? Intuit financial software, almost exclusively. (M$Money usually, but not always, makes a token appearance.) This is because store shelf space isn't "free"; companies have to pay to get their product represented on store shelves. Stores only have so much space, so will naturally pick the brands with the highest profit margin (usually due to largest brand recognition and therefore best sales, but also those willing to pay more for their shelf space).

Whether there are exclusivity contracts over shelf space, I don't know, but I wouldn't doubt it.
~REZ~
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No Upgrade Price for Quickbooks[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by granvillea on Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 07:36:31 AM PDT

Intuit has already destroyed the huge market share advantage that TurboTax once enjoyed by their misguided Product Activation scheme which has taken them from having a commanding share of the Tax Software market to fast becoming just another player.  

Driving previously loyal customers away seems to be Intuit's corporate game plan and they apparently attempt to "make up" the lost revenue by hosing their rapidly shrinking customer base more and more - thus further reducing the base and accelerating the defections.  I would suggest that this is such an incredibly stupid business plan that it can only ultimately lead to a death spiral and would suggest that anyone holding Intuit stock either dump it immediately or if they have enough shares and care enough about what the company once was and its future survival, vote to replace the current board and management team.

This may be the ultimate way to vote not with your feet but with your shares.  I would suggest that other software vendors who utilize similar tactics should be treated similarly and perhaps we can bring innovation and growth back to the Tech market place.  

Our failure to do so will continue to lead us down a path that throws away the tremendous technological advantages this nation has enjoyed, as the monopolists like Microsoft and the monopolist wannabes like Intuit continue to use sunsetting and subscription software and software as a service (whether openly or de facto) as a replacement for being able to develop new and compelling products.

I hope Microsoft's shareholders take a look at the rapidly shrinking market shares of Intuit and realize that there but for the grace of a not so certain monopoly goes Microsoft.  If Microsoft and Intuit would spend 1/10th as much on real innovation and product improvement as they do on Product Activation, Sunsetting and destroying their customer relationships we would have software that actually works right, was not filled with security holes (isn't it comforting to know that Microsoft is already issuing security patches for the beta version of Vista, that "brand new, security built in from the bottom up", version of Windows that is apparently subject to the same exploits as XP) and lacking in meaningful improvements.  

If Microsoft or Intuit wishes to improve their software, why don't they start with a goal of reducing the millions of lines of code, tightening the coding and making their new products faster and more efficient so that it does not require ever faster machines just to maintain the same unacceptable performance levels.

Just a thought from a reader who has been here since the beginning of the PC and has seen the software industry go from an exciting place where new products and whole new categories of products were always on the horizon to a "me too" environment where incrementalism rules and the concern is not giving people a reason to spend their money but rather figuring out how to force it out of them.  Some of you who were not there when WordStar begat WordPerfect begat Word, and VisiCalc begat Lotus 123 begat Excel and Quattro, etc., etc. may not remember or even be aware there was a time when every month it seemed whole new categories of software were being created, where small companies could come up with a new "Category Killer" product with real advantages over the competition and where the "Next Big Thing" was in fact a really "Big Thing" and not just a minor patch marketed as a whole new version.

I want to believe that although the Microsofts have stifled the Market for the past 5-10 years that there really are people in the USA still capable of creating such products and further there is still a market that would welcome such creativity.  
Granville Alley
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like Google[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by jam on Wed Jan 18, 2006 at 09:32:27 AM PDT

I believe that this is why Google has been doing so well recently--they're constantly trying new things, delivering new products (even if its just as a beta), and haven't done anything to upset the community they're trying to serve.

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Google[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:24:00 AM PDT

Google is doing something to upset the community, they will not assist the US Government, but they will jump in bed with the Communist Government by limiting search results for the Chinese version of their web site.

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sigh[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Fushigi on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 03:56:08 AM PDT

Google is complying with Chinese law. Would you rather they ignore the laws of the countries they operate in?

As to Google resisting the US government's request, the data reques