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Microsoft Won't Handle MSN Offense

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 12:32:11 AM PDT

Why is Microsoft so reluctant to fix the messes that it makes? That's the question one reader was recently prompted to ask, and he wasn't even talking about the WMF problem.


"Your bot has run amok on my server -- please make it stop!" the reader recently had to write Microsoft when he discovered an MSN bot making repeated attempts to fetch a non-existent file from his website. "This is causing my system to reach unacceptable loads, and is causing me financial damage. I have blocked you in my router. Let me know when you've got this bot under control, and I'll consider letting it back in ... In the few minutes since I've started this message, you've hit my firewall over 50 times! STOP IT!"

The reader had written the Microsoft address that was listed as the contact for the IP address that was attacking his server, but the response came back from Microsoft Customer Service instead of the abuse department. "Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service," the Microsoft service rep wrote him. "I understand you have an issue with MSNBOT. I realize the importance of your enquiry. However, since your issue is related to Hotmail, I suggest you to contact our MSN Support Professional as they are in a better position to assist you in this regard. Support for MSN products and services can be found at the following Web site: http://support.msn.com/contactus.aspx. Please resubmit your inquiry at this site and an MSN support agent will contact you promptly with assistance. I hope the above information will be helpful."

Not only did the reader not consider the information to be very helpful, he decided that he would leave the block in place rather than struggle to find just who at Microsoft, MSN, or Hotmail might actually deign to help him. "I don't need snooty, destructive bots," the reader wrote. "I'm highly ranked in Google and could care less whether I'm crawled by whatever second-rate search engine this bot is crawling for. I run tightly-coded, efficient sites, and I won't tolerate anyone's incompetent spider sucking up my CPU."

The reader reiterated to Microsoft his desire that they stop bombarding his server, but when I checked in with him a few weeks later, he had not heard another peep from Microsoft or MSN. "The MSN bot remains blocked in my router for unrepentant bad behavior," the reader wrote. "My router has blocked it 5,105 times in the past week. Microsoft has this nasty habit of acting like they're the dominant player in everything, even in markets where they have single-digit share. If they ever hope to compete with Google, they're going to have to drop the attitude. I once had a minor nit with Googlebot crawling pages that I had in my robots.txt file. They were very conciliatory, and had a suggestion for a workaround until they could fix things. What a difference!"

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In some states[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 03:56:49 AM PDT

Microsoft could be committing a crime of misappropriation of computer resources. It might help to check the local statutes on computer crimes.

Also, determine the monetary damages and you might decide to file a lawsuit in small claims court to recover some of what you lost or have spent. Money has a way of getting people's attention, including a giant like Microsoft.

Take care,

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DoS attack[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Fushigi on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 06:11:19 AM PDT

If it is truly causing undue load on your equipment or is saturating your bandwidth to the point of not allowing your normal visitors in, it could be considered a DoS attack. If that's the case, I'd think a call to the authorities would be in order.

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Are you serious?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by foxyshadis1 on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 05:07:59 PM PDT

Going up against Microsoft's legal department with a shaky accusation is like taking a swim in a shark-infested lake. Even an attourney general wouldn't touch them for something like this, unless they were already trying to hit them for something else. At best they'd be able to put you in touch with a friendly but helpless person, or someone in legal who can outnasty you while threatening to sue you out of business and home.

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Giving in[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Fushigi on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 05:59:04 AM PDT

So we should summarily give up when MS or any other major corporation abuses us? No thanks. I'd rather fight. I may lose, but I could never in good conscious just let them trample me. It is the consumers who have given in coupled with the predatory business practices that have led to the necessity of sites like this.

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by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 07:05:47 PM PDT

Send Microsoft's General Counsel and their local office in your state, a cease and desist notice by certified mail, return receipt requested through the US mail, to stop trespassing on your computer equipment. After that, file a police complaint if your local law allows it. Here in Ohio, that bot action, after your notification to Microsoft, would be illegal. http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com/oh/lpExt.dll/PORC/13315/137d9/137e4/137f1?f=templates&f n=document-frame.htm&2.0#JD_291304

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Do they Read?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 11:15:12 AM PDT

I find too many CSRs don't actually read the document you send. They scan for keywords, and post something that matches. I usually have to send back, asking for them to READ the document, and reiterate the resolution. SBC/Yahoo! is great for this, they don't listen either when you call and talk to them...they want to find the easy solution. I never call with an easy problem...that is why I am calling, it is hard! Good luck!

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I doubt they read the first of anything...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by welkerdp on Tue Jan 10, 2006 at 12:33:35 PM PDT

If I were the vendor, the first reply would certainly be automated (check the cable, etc.) The second reply in most cases would also be automated (sorry that didn't help, here's the FAQ page...) [except if my system parses out an active "case number" ...]

If you are really lucky then your third reply will contain instructions for contacting a live human (whose first two scripts will parrot the above.)

Given the volume of idiots in the September-that-never-ends it seems to me that we're lucky to have this level of support.

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That's a bit harsh...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
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... but their good technical people are subordinated to shameless marketeers and cold-blooded bean counters (never put feature in the current version that you can make them pay for again later...)

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...then again...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
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