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Unpleasant Surprise Packages

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Sep 06, 2005 at 01:25:37 AM PDT

I've been getting a lot of gripes about different vendors recently that seem to have a common theme. After doing their best to read up on a product before they buy, customers get an unpleasant surprise when they open the package: the product won't do what they thought the vendor said it does.


Perhaps what we have here may be a failure to communicate. "Ed, the word for the day is obfuscate," one reader wrote recently. "Why? Have you visited any vendor websites lately to try to buy something? I'm totally confused. I am in the process of upgrading network software and hardware. I have been visiting various web sites such as McAfee, Veritas, Microsoft, and others. It seems that every site makes it almost impossible to figure out what it is they actually sell, let alone what their products actually do. For example, McAfee currently has three lines of virus software, 4.51, 7.01, and 8. Try to find out what the differences are, try to find out which one to use. All that appears on the web site is marketing lingo that really doesn't tell you anything about the product's capabilities. All it says is that it will solve all of your problems. I sometimes wonder if the people creating the web sites even know what it is they are selling. The Veritas web site is just as bad. I think I know what I need but I sure couldn't figure it out from the website. Maybe I'm just getting old and slow."

It's hard to be sure sometimes whether the vendor's packaging is obscuring the truth on purporse or not. "I thought I'd share a recent experience with you that I think fall under 'misleading' or just indifference toward the customer," wrote another reader. "I purchased an Adaptec USB2Connect adapater card, which according to the package, includes six ports, five 'external' and one (1) 'internal' USB port. That much is true. What they don't tell you, either on the outside of the package or in the inside directions, is that if you want to use the 'internal' port, you have to disable one of the external ports via tiny jumper on the adapter card. In other words, one only has 5 usable ports. Nowhere is this mentioned. Sneaky, yes? I wasted several hours trying to figure out why my 'internal' port was not working, without much success. Finally I called Adaptec support, only to be told by a recorded message that if I wanted phone support I needed to pay. They don't even give you one call free. Thus, I resorted to sending them an e-mail, and finally received a response telling me about the limitation and the switch. If this isn't arrogance on the vendor's part, I don't know what is."

An even more unpleasant surprise is when a feature that was there disappears. "I'd been usuing Zone Alarm with the beta release of XP Pro 64 for almost a year," wrote one reader. "So now I upgraded to the production version of XP Pro 64, and I get a message when I install Zone Alarm 5 that it's the wrong version of Windows. Regardless of which version of ZA I use, it doesn't work. Zone Labs sent me a very curt 'we do not yet support XP Pro 64 and it will not install.' Try to find anywhere on their website where they tell you they do not support XP Pro 64, even though the beta worked fine."

And another reader pondered the age-old question of whether a windows network drive by any other name would smell as sweet. "I'd like to take Maxtor to task for selling its 'Maxtor shared storage drive' as a Windows-only device without bothering to disclose that it doesn't support Windows domain security," another reader wrote. "They tell you it's only supported with Windows and even bundle software to automatically map it to a drive letter. Then it turns out the thing is just a Samba server and comes with its own account management burden. The lack of domain support makes it dramatically more expensive to operate due to administrative issues -- if I'd known then I would have purchased a simple USB drive instead. It's close enough to useless that I'd consider discarding it if I could identify a replacement that would do the job. While there are far sleazier things on the net, they're not being sold by Maxtor."

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How about Creative MP3 players?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 06, 2005 at 12:38:33 PM PDT

Another example is the Creative Zen Xtra line of MP3 players. After doing my homework, I purchased 2--one for me, one for my daughter for her birthday. Setting them up, I couldn't get them to work with a subscription music service. I tried Yahoo, then Musicmatch then Rhapsody--no joy anywhere. (I won't regale you with their efforts at customer service--that's a different Gripe.) After working on this for 2 weeks, I finally found out that when they say that they support Yahoo, Musicmatch et al, they mean they support the playing of paid downloads--not their subscription services. Further research showed that Creative had been promising support for this functionality for 2 quarters at that point, without delivering. That promise has slipped again, by the way. How do you explain to a 13 year old that you got taken? By buying an iRiver as a replacement, that's how. Care to guess who I don't do business with again?

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by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 06, 2005 at 12:53:46 PM PDT

This may be a classic "left brain - right brain" thing. Marketing types are right-brained, which means they think in terms of benefits. We tech types are left-brains, and think in terms of features. However, having said that, in the past few years, I've noticed more and more things positioned in terms of "benefits" (i.e., "it will solve all your problems"), without explaining what the benefits relate to. Just my $0.02.

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I must disagree. I have 2 kids, both graduates from fine arts degrees. Both very "right brained". Both now do web development, and both absolutely hate dealing with "marketing types". Marketers are NOT "right brained". At best, they are "hare brained". They are not artists, technicians, nor any useful form of intelligence on this planet. Douglas Adams rightly placed all marketers on the "B" ark where they belong - beside telephone sanitizers and their ilk.

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I am surprised that more people with hardware/software problems don't use another method of solution. DO NOT call tech support. They are geared as a profit center and need to charge for every call. Instead, call sales/marketing, even the marketing vice-president. You can get their ear by telling them you are considering the purchase of hundreds of copies of their product(s) and are conducting an evaluation of one of their offerings. And --- for some unknown reason, the product you bought off the shelf does not work. Question: Do you know what I need to do to perform a reasonable test and evaluation of their product? I have had several different responses.

(1) They are technically knowlegeable and can solve my problem,

(2) They put me directly through to technical support, by-passing the money grubbing step (I did get directed to them by marketing, didn't I, often as a pre-sales support call),

(3) tech support still wants money to answer my question (they will often cancel the charge if they learn that the problem is theirs). I also use this method to learn technical details about their products (always provided by marketing using their 800 number, not tech support using a telephone call on my nickle). This way I get the information I need straight from the source that should have provided it in the first place and I always find a way to use a lot of their time on the telephone. Their incompetence at providing sufficient information to evaluate their product is their problem, not mine. If they don't want to use their "valuable" time educating customers one at a time then they can find someone in their organization who can do it properly for the mass market. I have very little patience with marketing department's artsy-craftsy stupidity with no technical content.

Of course, there is the supplier such as QUEST that provides absolutely no technical information for the special telephones they sell either in brochures, on their web site, or to their marketing people, or to their technical support people (which don't really exist anyway); if you buy anything from QUEST, you must discover whether or not the features they advertise in their glossies really exist at all in the delivered products because my experience has been that they lie a lot and don't seem to know how to finish the engineering on much of what they offer.

I have long been taught by QUEST, Trend Micro, Microsoft, and more recently by HP and Yosemite that incompetent documentation and support is rampant and justified in their minds in the name of cost cutting. THAT amount of cost cutting disqualifies their products as candidates for my money unless I learn enough from personal contact to justify spending money on their products.

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