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Dell Won't Recall Defective Motherboards

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 12:14:01 AM PDT

In most businesses, when a product is discovered to have a defect that's likely to cause it to fail, the manufacturer issues a recall for the affected units. Is there any reason that shouldn't be true in the computer industry as well? That's what many IT mangers with large installations of Dell Optiplex GX270 systems have to be wondering right now.


"We are not a very large company, but we have nearly two hundred Dell GX270 small form factor PCs," a reader wrote recently. "This is an information business that we're in, so we depend on these systems to get our work done and keep revenue coming in the door. Earlier this year we began to experience problems such as random reboots and power-downs with some of the GX270s. At first we thought it might be a virus or spyware outbreak, but we eventually realized what we were experiencing is a systemic problem with Dell's motherboard. There's an issue with the capacitors that cause them to start 'bulging' and then eventually burst."

As has been well documented on DSL Reports and elsewhere, PCs from a number of manufacturers suffer from this "bulging capacitor" problem, but a batch of GX270 motherboards seem to be especially prone to failure. The wide range of symptoms can mimic power supply, fan, monitor, RAM and disk drive problems, so just identifying the true source is difficult. Once he discovered what was going on, though, the reader found Dell more than willing to replace the motherboards that had clearly gone bad, and replacing them always eliminated the problems.

But as the failure rate for the reader's GX270s climbed over ten and then twenty percent, he realized that just replacing the machines as they broke was going to be a disaster for his company. "The sheer manpower to troubleshoot and assist in getting Dell to come in and replace motherboards one at a time has been very costly," the reader said. "We've probably spent close to $50,000 just in personnel time on this issue, which is a lot for a small staff. And that's not counting the lost productivity for our users from the time their systems start exhibiting flaky behavior."

The reader noticed that several GX270 customers on the Internet -- including on Dell's own forums -- were saying that Dell had agreed to replace all of their motherboards even before they bit the dust. "We began negotiating with Dell on this several months ago, and initially they agreed that we qualified for a 'proactive field replacement' of all the GX270 systems," the reader wrote. "But a few weeks after that promise was made, they backed off due to what they called a 'global motherboard constraint.' We've since had countless e-mails and phone conferences with our Dell sales rep, our sales rep's boss, and the Dell service people about this, and the best deal they're now offering is a very good discount on trading in our unrepaired 270s for 280s."

The reader is quite reluctant to take that deal for a number of reasons. Shelling out more money to Dell to replace systems that shouldn't yet need replacing, on top of what the motherboard problems have already cost his company, is not an idea that sits well with the reader or his management team. Dell's reneging on its promise of a proactive field replacement rankles, particularly since there's evidence that at least some larger customers are indeed getting motherboard replacements for all of their GX270s. After all, if there aren't enough replacement motherboards to go around, does that mean that the smaller customers -- for whom the negative impact might be much more painful -- are the ones who should be left in the lurch?

I contacted Dell several weeks ago and asked them for a policy statement on GX270 replacements. Several spokesmen promised me an answer, and I really expected they'd at least come back with a statement to the effect that only broken GX270s are being replaced. But there's been no comment -- or even a "no comment" -- and at this point I have to assume there's not going to be. So, at least until we hear from more readers who've dealt with Dell on this issue, we're not going to know for sure if the company has different replacement policies for different-sized customers. But, hey, you and I could both take a wild guess on what the truth is there.

Meanwhile, the reader is left with a very difficult decision, as he fully expects that the two-thirds of his GX270s that haven't been fixed will all fail pretty soon. "Open up one of these boxes at random and you see some of these capacitors swelling up," he says. "It will be very expensive for us to replace all our GX270s with PCs from another vendor, but we are considering it. I've been a loyal Dell customer for many years, and I've brought them a lot of business, so I am very disappointed that they would step back from their promise to proactively fix these systems."

What's your take on this one? Should Dell have to replace all the systems with the defective capacitors, or should they indeed be able to charge whichever customers they choose for replacements of those machines that haven't actually broken yet? You can post your comments below or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

Update [2005-8-30 14:50:14 by Ed Foster]: A Dell spokesman has provided the following response to my original query about the Optiplex GX270 replacement policy. "As a result of higher than expected demand for the affected boards, lower than expected yields on reworked boards, and that this is an industry-wide issue, supply is constrained and only failures can be replaced via Next Business Day service," the spokesman said. "Regional procurement and service teams are managing the supply for customer failures. While Dell had been proactively replacing these systems in the recent past, and attempts to continue to honor previous commitments to proactively replace units, the constrained supply prohibits Dell from continuing to proactively replace units. By actively managing fix-on-fail activities and tightening the returns process, Dell is working to improve the supply issue. As supply improves, Dell will work towards a replacement policy that better meets customer needs."

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Failure rate[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 03:35:36 AM PDT

I wonder what the failure rate on the motherboards is. If it is relatively low, replacing them as they fail seems reasonable to me. Maybe you could keep some spares on hand to replace them as they fail to minimize down time. One good thing about this is it appeared Dell is at least replacing the bad boards.

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by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 12:40:34 PM PDT

we are at about 25% and growing every day

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GX 280s?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#88)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 11:36:49 AM PDT

Here's another...I work in the tech department of a college and I go into a classroom to find out what the issue with the computers are. On 6 Gx280s I see Ithr error. Google it find out what it is call a dell rep for replacements...they stated that it was an issue they were working to resolve as there have been other issues involving the GX280 line of motherboards. I ask for replacements, they say they can't unless we re-buy new ones...there are almost 1200 GX280s here and I know a rebuy of that amount won't come under gov't budget...they will contact me when they have found a solution...one more reason not to buy a dell

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by xcntryexpdtn on Tue Aug 28, 2007 at 09:09:48 PM PDT

Anybody have any problems with HP and the MediaCenter PC? I have had this PC two years and have been experiencing the same symptoms to find out when I took it to an independent service provider that there was nothing that they could do short of me purchasing another motherboard for this system. I am not a part of the "throw-away" society that believes in getting my money's worth and that a PC should be good for at least 4-6 years. I have 6 other systems that are from the mid-late 90's that are still going strong. Just not enough ummph for me to use them. Thanks in advance.... any insight on which direction I may take to get this problem rectified with HP.

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Why not consider repair?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 04:54:07 AM PDT

I know we live in a throw-away society, but why not consider repairing the motherboards? I do some work for a restaurant that ran into the bulging-capacitor problem two years ago in their POS systems. (One of the units actually ignited). After I identified the problem, I ordered a batch of replacement capacitors and replaced every suspect part. Now, that was only five units. Still, working in batches it doesn't take much time to do.

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replacing capacitors[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#39)
by Anonymous User on Wed Aug 31, 2005 at 07:09:22 AM PDT

Not everyone has the time nor inclination to sit there and solder capicators one at a time especially in large quantities. Also, if the PCs are still under warranty, doing such work would most likely void them. Dell screwed this up, let them eat the cost of this fiasco. I've had to have over 125 of these crap boxes fixed already.

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Weird, but HP/Compaq[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 05:08:29 AM PDT

D530 Ultra Slim systems here at work have the same problem. If the row of capacitors near the CPU is 5 long, then it's going to die within a year. HP will replace them fair enough as a warranty problem, but they refuse to recall or publicize the problem. The D530 US with 6 capacitors in the row don't have the problem.

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Past Compaq replacements[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 08:53:36 AM PDT

A couple years ago we had a batch of Compaq Deskpro EN SFF machines that started developing video problems. We had about 1200 of these machines scattered across the country and after identifying the problem, Compaq made arrangements to proactively replace all the motherboards on these machines to fix the problem. All we had to do was thell them where the machines were and arrange to have someone meet the techs at the site after hours so the tech could do the swap. Compaq did it right for us - sounds like Dell isn't being as helpful in this case..

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I think they are[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#58)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:05:43 AM PDT

It seems to me that Dell is "doing right", they will replace them, they just can't get enough of these bad motherboards to fix the outstanding issue. Why do you say they are not?

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Replacing[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Fushigi on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 05:40:13 AM PDT

Since we don't know the true failure rate, we can't really say if this warrants a recall campaign. Although we're mostly a notebook shop, we do buy 270s for those requesting a desktop instead. I've not heard of any major numbers of failed units.

For customers who are having the problem, Dell should make the replace process simpler. The reader in question, for instance, should be able to call Dell and say "GX270 s/n such-n-such has bad caps on the motherboard. Please send a technician with a replacement." and be done with it.

What kind of support does the reader have with Dell? The basic bundled warranty, Gold, or in between. I've never had issues getting repairs when using the Gold support.

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Dell Hardware Support[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 11:43:15 AM PDT

Sadly, getting support from Dell, unless you are dell certified means at least a 20 minute wait on the phone with their tier 1 support. Gold support is usually a bit better, meaning they speak english. However, you still have to go through all of the troubleshooting steps with them to reach the same outcome. Only if a person is dell certified can you call support and just have parts sent.

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by ndipaolo on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 12:46:25 PM PDT

I agree. I gave up purchasing Dells a year ago because I got fed up with waiting forever on hold and then tying up at least an hour troubleshooting over the phone because my A+ and other certifications doesn't make me qualified to service a Dell machine. Funny, never had a problem with HP. Either way, not that I want to defend Dell, but a proactive recall may be too much as has been stated the statistics on failure rates are not known. They should honor a warranty repair when a customer calls with the board failure and not put them through hours of needless troubleshooting and hold times. And as I told many a Dell support tech in whatever country they pretended to be English in, "Don't read me verbatim from the manual, I can do that myself. Just send the part please."

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by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 11:09:04 AM PDT

Hi, my name is Steven Berk. I am an attorney based in Washington, DC, who specializes in litigation involving defective technology. I am currently working on cases of that kind against HP, Sony and JVC. I am investigating problems relating to the leaky/bulging capacitor on the Dell Optilex GX270's motherboard and noticed your posting. In connection with that investigation, it would be very useful if I could interview you about your experience with the leaky/bulging capacitor problem. If you are interested, please email me at stevenb@cuneolaw.com or call me at 202-789-3960. Thanks for your consideration.

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DELL Inspiron 8500 4th motherboard![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#90)
by Anonymous User on Wed May 17, 2006 at 11:45:05 PM PDT

Is it common to have the motherboard replaced three times on a Dell Inspiron 8500? Even with the fourth motherboard I am getting errors and blue screens

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Dell Inspiron 8500[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#92)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:50:09 PM PDT

I am also on my 4th mother board. They now tell me it was a software problem and the mother boards were probably all just fine.

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Dell Inspiron 8500 = Junk[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#101)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 10:21:16 AM PDT

I purchased a Dell Inspiron 8500 for school. In a one year period the hard drive needed to be replaced. The memory needed to be replaced twice, the dvd burner needed to be replaced, and finally the whole cpu board. I spent countless hours on the phone with people who spoke broken English. After the year was up and my warranty had ended I called up Dell because my computer would not start and presumably the cpu had burnt out "again", I told them I received a piece of junk "it was not what I hard bargained for" I paid for a computer that would be reliable and usable I received neither. I kept complaining and I was finally directed to a representative from Dell in the U.S. He was very very rude, he treated me like I was an idiot asking me moronic questions such as "was the computer plugged in?" So finally I decided I would cut my losses and went out and bought a different brand of computer. I cannot believe this is legal. I spent almost 3 grand on this computer getting all the bells and whistles and now I have nothing.

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by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 02:17:36 PM PDT

Dell has been very prompt in servicing our blown 270's. the issue now is hard drives. of all the normal hard drives 100% of them have been rebooted successfully. problem lies in the "thinline" hard drives. not one of them functions after replacing the motherboard. there is a 100% correlation between their failure and the capacitor issue, but dell refuses to consider replacing the hard drives. is anybody else suffering from the same issue?

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#264)
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