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Last Stand for First Sale

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 05:49:28 PM PDT

How much power can a few words in a EULA give a software publisher to deny us our rights? If it's as much as a company called Livingsoft assumed in its recent treatment of a reader, a right we've had for more than a hundred years is about to disappear.


Reader Laura Flores recently decided to auction off her copy of Livingsoft's Dress Shop 5 Pro sewing-pattern-producing software on eBay. "I paid over $400 for the software last year, and I decided didn't really like the way the program worked," Flores says. "So I listed it on eBay complete with the original CD they'd sent me, the key codes for the modules I'd purchased, and the on-disk documentation. I had three days left on the listing and I had a high bid of over $100, which was what I was hoping to receive. That's when the threatening e-mail started."

Flores and some of her bidders started receiving anonymous messages ominously warning it was "illegal" to sell Dress Shop. She then received an e-mail directly from Livingsoft support saying that it "has been brought to our attention that you are reselling your Dress Shop program on eBay, which is illegal according to the terms you agreed to. EBay is currently being notified of the illegal posting." When she wrote back to them, asking what was illegal about her auction, they replied with a long section of the Dress Shop End User License Agreement, the most relevant part of which seemed to be this:

"Once this software is opened and installed, you may NOT transfer this software (or a copy of this software or documentation) to another person. Excluded from this prohibition are gifts (you would not open the software or install it on your own computer if it was purchased as a gift, and you would present the gift within a short time of purchase) and resale by authorized resellers (again, you would not open and install the software if you were a reseller planning to resell the unit). If this software represents an upgrade to a previously owned version, you may NOT transfer previous software versions to another party. To do so represents a violation of Livingsoft's Licensing agreement. Penalties for violation may include, but are not limited to, retraction of all rights (including support, upgrades, updates, and purchase of related products) to licensed use of the software. You may not transfer, rent, lease, sub-license, or lend the software, CDs, or documentation."

Did the wording of that EULA actually make it illegal for Flores to sell the copy of the program she'd paid $400 for? "Livingsoft obviously knows I have a legal copy, because this was sent to the e-mail address I used to purchase the product, not the address I was using on eBay," Flores said. "I never heard anything from eBay, and I'm sure that if the Livingsoft people were right about this being illegal that eBay would have removed my listing."

Flores found it hard to believe that Livingsoft would really have the right to so utterly forbid the re-sale of their product. She had read some of my stories that talked about first sale doctrine of copyright law, which basically says you can do whatever you want with a legally-acquired copy of a product except make an illegal copy of it. In fact, the doctrine developed from early 20th Century Supreme Court decisions ruling against book publishers who tried to restrict re-sale of their products by putting the equivalent of shrinkwrap licenses on them.

As Corynne McSherry, staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, discusses in EFF's Deep Links blog, what Flores experienced runs directly counter to the principles of first sale. "Not only is Livingsoft enforcing its EULA capriciously, but it's also trying to overwrite federal copyright law so that consumers can't resell their legally obtained copies of Dress Shop," said McSherry. "This aspect of their EULA flies in the face of a long-standing, consumer-friendly exemption to copyright law ... the right of first sale doctrine."

Since Flores felt she was well within her rights to sell the software, she decided to bring the auction to a close. She wrote her top bidder explaining the situation and asked if she wanted to proceed with the purchase. The buyer said she did, but then received another threatening missive from Livingsoft that made her decide she'd best back out. For the time being, at least, Flores seems to be stuck with her copy of Dress Shop 5 Pro.

Flores' attempts to persuade Livingsoft to let her sell the unwanted program have met with some strange responses. When she mentioned the first sale doctrine in one of her messages, Livingsoft replied that she was indeed free to sell the CD, but not the keycodes for the modules she'd purchased. (Without the keycodes, the Dress Shop 5 CD apparently functions as a demo disk, allowing the sewing patterns to be viewed but not printed out.) "What good is selling the software without the keycodes?" puzzled Flores. "If my buyer would have to purchase new codes from Livingsoft, the CD would be worthless to them."

Flores had also learned that another Dress Shop customer had been allowed to auction off the software after writing a polite letter to Livingsoft to prove it wasn't a pirated copy. Since Livingsoft knew Flores had purchased her copy legally, she asked them why she couldn't be extended the same right. Livingsoft replied that they make exceptions to their strict prohibition on transfers only when the customer has both "a financial or physical necessity to give up use of Dress Shop" such as an injury preventing further sewing and if they asked "courteously, prior to attempting to sell their software, acknowledging that they are requesting a favor rather than demanding a right." She met neither requirement, Livingsoft told her, particularly because "when the president of Livingsoft contacted you personally to remind you of company policy in this matter, you informed him that your reason for selling was that the software 'sucks' ... that reason doesn't qualify for an exception to our general policy."

This was the first that Flores knew that the anonymous messages had actually come from the president of Livingsoft. "Don't you find it amazing that my telling the president of the company that his software sucks -- when I didn't even know that it was the president -- has reflected on their decision whether or not I can sell the software? I'm really surprised by the actions of Livingsoft. I find it similar to buying a car, deciding to sell it, and then being told that I can do whatever I want with the car but transferring the keys to someone else is illegal."

That does indeed seem to be what software publishers like Livingsoft want to do with the fair use rights like first sale that we've enjoyed for years. Sorry, but whatever restrictive language their attorneys want to the throw into a EULA is supposed to carry more weight than our traditional rights. Of course, if you ask real nice and acknowledge you have no rights of any kind, they may grant you a favor. I for one am deeply grateful for the favor Livingsoft has done us by providing such a stark example of how we can expect businesses of all kinds to treat their customers in the world to which we seem to be moving.

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by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 12:31:06 AM PDT

The issue with the first sale doctrine is complex. It hinges on whether the district court in an area holds that software is licensed or sold.

Livingsoft is in California. In California, the federal courts have treated software as being sold, not licensed. And in this case, the doctrine of first sale applies.

In California, the state courts have held that EULAs, such as the one from Livingsoft, are procedurally unconscionable. If the terms of a EULA are contrary to public policy and fair use rights, those terms may also be substantively unconsionable -- rendering them moot.

Beyond this, the Clayon act makes it unlawful for companies to discriminate in favor of one purchaser against another purchaser -- so Livingsoft may have a problem with federal law. Certainly the FTC would want to hear about this.

There is a very good write-up on the first sale doctrine at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine.

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by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 04:45:07 AM PDT

Actually, if the company actually contacted eBay I'm surprised they didn't terminate the auction. I've been an eBay seller for a number of years and recently stumbled on some new shrink-wrapped copies of Windows95. I purchased these for next to nothing and was hoping to sell them for $5 to $8 per copy. 4 days into the 7 day auction it was ended by eBay - no explaination. A number of buyers did contact me early on to say it would be likely that this would happen as it is generally eBay's policy. Simply outrageous!

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by auctionhugh on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 05:29:18 AM PDT

Ebay ends auctions all the time, practically whenever any company complains that an auction violates their copyright. I find it hard to believe that this company did not use that tactic. It seems that ebay rarely takes the time to verify the claim. Search google for "ebay vero" and see ebay's help pages here: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/vero-removed-listing.html.

Ebay apparently assumes the copyright claimer is right and the seller is wrong. It is a very frustrating system for many sellers of legitimate software and other items.
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by tdrury on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 07:14:02 AM PDT

eBay is not ending these auctions explicitly. eBay gives Vero members the ability to cancel auctions themselves. Auctions can be ended wrongly. In the above poster's situation, he could have been trying to sell OEM or educational versions. These versions _can_ be auctioned on eBay but only if the publisher's requirements for resellers is met. In the OEM case, the software must be sold with hardware - often a broken hard disk is included in the auction. In the educational discounted software, proof of student registration is required.

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by ekuns on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 01:07:17 PM PDT

I actually had a completed EBay transaction retroactively "cancelled" due to VERO some months after everything was completed. And it was for vacuum cleaner bags! Yes, I bought some vacuum cleaner bags on EBay and the manufacturer tried to close the auction months after I had received and paid for the item, claiming the sale violated copyright. How a purchase of vacuum cleaner bags can violate copyright is beyond me. This tells me how little verification EBay does of VERO, and how out of control the whole thing is.

If I was the seller (not the buyer) and had some money and spare time on my hands, it would be "restraint of trade" lawsuit time. Which is something I think would be appropriate for the parent story.

The VeRO EMail I got contained the following:

The following listing:

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was removed by eBay because an intellectual property rights owner notified eBay that the listing contains material that potentially infringes its copyright. We strongly urge you not to complete this transaction.

Again, this was for a purchase of vacuum cleaner bags. Something I thought could not possibly in any way be covered by copyright, and something I thought fell squarely inside "first sale" area.



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Vacuum Cleaner Bags[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by Ed Foster on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 02:05:18 PM PDT

That's a good one. Can you tell us who the manufacturer was? By the way, vacuum cleaner bags actually aren't covered by the first sale doctrine, because first sale is part of copyright law. There is an equivalent principle in patent law, though. -- Ed

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by ekuns on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 08:15:31 PM PDT

It's Kirby. Since the bags aren't carried in normal retail stores, it's easier to order online than to drive to the "local" Kirby dealer. Thanks for the clarification about first sale doctrine. I didn't realize it was specific to copyright.

I've made no attempt to contact EBay to ask how this transaction could violate VeRO.



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There are precedents...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by welkerdp on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 05:09:34 AM PDT

...for example, Microsoft "OEM" licensed software becomes grafted to your computer and you can only transfer it with the computer itself. In this case the license is grafted to you rather like a Lotus Notes user license (as of Notes 4 --do they still do it that way?)

I think this sort of language is common for special interest software vendors with low volume -- they know they can't get but so much money for a product and they want to ensure that each customer pays them directly. It may not be legal, but if it is legal to have such a license then IMO the restriction should not be in the fine print.



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by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 12:00:29 PM PDT

For the "OEM" Windows, since it's tied to the machine, if I want to replace it with a faster/better system, I have to get a new copy of Windows. Or worse, if the system dies, the software dies with it.

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Don't replace; upgrade[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Fushigi on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 12:53:28 PM PDT

Upgrade the machine. Upgrade the case, power supply, KVM, motherboard, hard drive, RAM, everything but that one lone case screw. Yes, even a 1/2 cent case screw qualifies as hardware. Or take any component of the old machine and install it, or just keep it with, the new machine.

One OEM package I bought included a Dell laptop module as the OEM hardware component; there's no way it'd install in my desktop, but it still qualified.

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BIOS lock, MB lock, Brand Lock[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#79)
by Anonymous User on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 05:56:40 AM PDT

Varius vendors (e.g. Dell) tie software to their brand of computer. If you put in a new motherboard the OS won't install. I have several Dells and an emachine. I would have upgraded the MB on the emachine long ago if it weren't for the cost of replacing the OS.

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by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:29:35 PM PDT

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This is not a first sale issue[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 05:38:28 AM PDT

While this story makes my blood boil, I do not think this is a first sale doctrine issue.  According to the article, the company has not claimed any copyright violations or attempted to halt the sale based upon any copyright considerations.  There is no copying or publishing involved in this case.

The company is attempting to enforce a provision of a contract (the EULA).  The question here is whether the contract they are quoting is valid and enforceable.  A post above touched on this subject.  My guess is that either the EULA is unenforceable as it runs counter to State law or it is unenforceable as it was most likely not in effect at the time of the sale.  In either case the company may be liable for there conduct.

If I were in this situation, I would first write the company requesting a settlement.  If that did not work I would take them to small claims court.

My letter would politely point out the following:

  • You have a legal copy of the software (Provide documentation)
  • The EULA is not valid (see reasons above)
  • They have interfered in your legal sale
  • Provide documentation of the E-bay Bid and letter from the buyer
  • They are liable for your lost sale
  • You will settle this matter for $200 and they may take full possession of there software (shipping at there expense)
  • I they fail to settle this matter, you intend to exercise your full rights under the law to recover damages.  These rights may include litigation or participation in a class actions.

Make sure that the letter is on very nice paper and typed.  Also have it delivered to the President certified mail with signature required.

If they fail to pay up, take them to small claims court for $400.  In court, when they claim the maximum value is $100 based upon your e-bay experience, just explain that the cost of the software is $400 and that the software is like new.  It still has all of its functionality.  Also explain how you were never able to get a fair market valuation on E-bay as the company interfered with the auction.


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Is there a class on Business Apologetics?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 07:37:07 AM PDT

It seems quite a few people go out of their way to defend the "licensed, not sold" doctrine that business is so fond of. Guess what, that is exactly what "First Sale" is all about. About a century ago, publishers were claiming that books were licensed, not sold, and therefore further sale was illegal. Here's a test you can do for yourself. If you have a "licensed" copy of a piece of software, destroy the media it came on. Request a replacement from the manufacturer at a nominal fee (to cover shipping, duplicating costs, etc.). If you get your replacement, then it was licensed. If not, then it was sold. If they insist that it is licensed, but won't replace the media at a reasonable price, then tell them you wish to "cancel" your license for a pro-rated refund. Of course, none of these suggestions above will work. Software is "sold" if you break it, but "licensed" if you want to sell it. The simple rule of thumb is: "Whatever makes us more money in each case."

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Amen[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by srynas on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 08:10:53 AM PDT

We seem to forget that if a product is truly licensed, then the licensor has certain obligations to the licensee. To me this would include free technical support and free program fixes to assure that product works as expected for the licensee.  

For example, if you own rental property you are legally obligated to keep the property in functional condition for the benefit of the renter. Software, if licensed, should conform to this standard.  Unfortunately it does not.

I believe that most software is "sold" for all intensive purposes.  

As an additional thought. Any software which is "discontinued" for a period of time, such as a year, should be placed in the public domain. Chance of success? Just kidding.  If a company no longer supports a product there is no reason for why the company should be entitled to a revenue stream.

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I don't mean to nitpick or embarrass...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 11:36:10 AM PDT

.. but the phrase is "for all intents and purposes"...

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Perhaps he meant...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 02:01:25 PM PDT

... that he uses his software very thoroughly or that software intended for casual use could/should be leased.

:-P

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#198)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:25:51 PM PDT

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But you just did....[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#42)
by Anonymous User on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 09:33:48 AM PDT

...both embarass and nitpick. And of couse, so have I!

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Correction[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#103)
by wwward on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 05:36:10 AM PDT

I thought it was "all tents and purses?" :-)

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#220)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 02:11:34 AM PDT

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