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Reader Voices: AOL Cancellations

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Thu Aug 18, 2005 at 11:02:20 PM PDT

Readers agreed that it's always been hard to cancel an AOL account, but some of those responding to my recent story had some good advice for how to go about making sure your cancellation sticks. Unfortunately, it may not help the surprising number of people I heard from who have been charged for AOL accounts they never even had.


One reader passed on some advice from a friend who works for AOL. "Get the name of the person you are speaking with and their shift code," the reader wrote. "The name will nine times out of ten be made up, but the shift code is the key. When you call back to tell them that, yes, you did indeed cancel it last month, you mention the shift code and that tells them you really did. They will credit the month and then they are forced to offer you free months access. You must decline this. When you think, well, maybe a couple more months is okay, they dump you back into the system and you will have to go through it all again. Of course, you may get a newbie at their call center who actually cancels your order and processes it; the standard is to cancel the order but not finish the processing. That way it is in the system if you call back, but if you do not follow up, they rely on the majority of people who do not look at the itemized bills and just make their credit card payments. AOL's business model is based on one thing -- people use their credit cards a lot -- and people are generally lazy. They have automatic bill payment set up for their credit card(s) and rarely look at the charges. Now, I know YOU look at every line item you get, but you are sadly in the very small minority of people in this nation."

Of course, one good piece of advice is to never accept an AOL "free trial" offer in the first place, since those can be hard to drop before the monthly charges begin. "Just be aware that when you call to cancel the free trial, there will be no record of your call," wrote another reader. "In June, I signed up for their free trial period, which was 60 days or 1,100 hours of free service," a reader wrote. "I called about two weeks later to cancel the service, expecting not to be charged. Well, the next month they had debited my bank account for the $23.90 monthly charge. I called AOL the next to day to dispute the charge, saying that I had already called and canceled, but they gave me the 'we have no record of you canceling that account' line. So, I talked with customer service to cancel again and get reimbursed for the money they had taken from me illegally. The women I was talking to said she couldn't help me and told me she would transfer me to their supervisor. The supervisor told me the same thing because there was no record of me canceling the account in their system. So now I'm disputing the charges through my bank."

Trying to get your credit card company to reverse the charges doesn't always, though. "I was unable to cancel AOL via mail-phone-email, and after three months of trying, I called my credit card company to see if I could stop the charge and get credit for the unwanted service," wrote one reader. "Nope, said Visa, they have been unable to recover from AOL, and thus won't allow me to stop or challenge the charges. So I reported the card as compromised -- it was -- and I was issued a new number. AOL attempted to bill me, ignoring my replies. I ignored them, and they eventually went away. Never again, AOL. Never again."

Another tactic some readers reported success with is threatening to bring in the lawyers. "AOL has been sued over this issue before," wrote one reader. "I made certain that the rep I spoke to when I canceled knew that I knew that fact. I also implied that he might find himself answering subpoenas and giving depositions should any more AOL charges show up on my statement. No problem - that was the last I heard from AOL."

What I found particularly interesting were the stories from readers who had to try to cancel accounts they had never opened. "I received a couple of letters from AOL dunning me for an account that I had never had," wrote one reader. "The letters informed me that my account would be closed and possible collection activity pursued if I did not update the credit card information they had on file. I operate my own servers and pay a huge monthly amount for business class service through Cox cable, and I have for years. When I called AOL, I was informed that I could close the account, and no amount of arguing that I did not have, want, or need an AOL account seemed to sink in. He said I would need to contact the AOL fraud department, and, no, he couldn't transfer my call. So, when I called the fraud department, I informed the rep that since AOL deemed it necessary to record my call, I would also be recording the call. I was told AOL would not continue to help me if I insisted on recording the call, even though here in Texas I have the right to record the call even without even informing him. The end result was I received a cancellation confirmation number, and have yet to receive any more collection letters. What I found most interesting was AOL's insistence that they could record me but I wasn't free to make my own recording."

Not all attempts to cancel accounts the user didn't initiate end that well. "More than two years ago my house was broken into and my checkbook was stolen," wrote another reader. "At that time, one of the thieves or their cronies signed up for AOL through my checking account. I went through a variety of things, including changing my checking account number, and nothing has worked. AOL will not cancel the account without my screen name information. It states that it cannot find my checking account number or confirm the account in any way. However, after my last conversation with them, they sent me a letter stating that I have continued my account. This is insane. They have my name and address, and can send me a letter but cannot cancel my account. At this point, all my bank says is that I should close ALL my accounts and open them up under new numbers. So I need to get another bank, and I am afraid AOL will put something on my until-now excellent credit report. I don't know what to do.

Not surprisingly, AOL's high-handed behavior leaves unintentional customers wondering just what recourse they have. A reader who does have an AOL dial-up account recently discovered that for the last three years AOL has also been debiting his bank for a non-existent broadband account. "I contacted AOL and verified that they had been debiting my checking account for both services," the reader wrote. "My calculations add up to almost $1,500 in services that I never received, and to add further headache they continued to deduct for both services for three additional months until I worked something out with my bank. My complaints to AOL fell on deaf ears, and adding further to my frustrations was the inability to talk to anyone that would give me any satisfaction or would offer a compromise. AOL won't communicate with me directly, but I did receive a copy of a letter they sent to the Better Business Bureau after I filed a complaint claiming they had credited my account $90 'in good faith.' I decided to try and take legal action but have been dead-ended by not being to obtain my account records from AOL - they said they had been purged. Yeah, right. I considered small claims court but because of venue and jurisdiction from state to state and the complexities of Internet law it is way too overwhelming and complex for this mere dial-up user. I filed a complaint with the FTC and they said I had a valid complaint, but what they will do with it is anyone's guess. I am still searching for some legal entity that will listen because from my research I know AOL is shafting their customers globally and are somehow being allowed to do it."

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Cancelling accounts you don't have[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by nytmare on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 06:00:04 AM PDT

It's a topic unto itself. I've had Yahoo Points and US Airways Dividend Miles sending me junk email for accounts that I never signed up for. These entities require me to sign in to the account in order to accomplish anything, including stopping the spam -- but of course I do not have any account info with which to sign in! The spam from US Airways Dividend Miles is ongoing. At the bottom of each massive HTML message is the text "To unsubscribe for [sic] future e-mails [sic], please log into your Dividend Miles Account", and "Please do not reply to this email, as we are not able to respond to messages sent to this address." It's gross incompetence. People who don't have, or can't remember, the details for a particular account should not be required to use those account details to end billing or spam or the like. If your CC is being charged, the only thing you should need to stop the charge is your CC info. If your email address is being spammed, the only thing you should have to do to stop the spam is reply.

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auto-foward the spam back to them[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 07:30:25 PM PDT

find e-mail addresses for higher ups in the company -- presidents, etc.... Setup a rule that auto-forwards any e-mail from them back to these people. Be sure to include a header that informs them that the forwarding automatic and if they stop spamming you they'll stop getting forwards, autoatmically.

not sure if that works, haven't had to use it myself.


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Changing card numbers isn't enough.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by bytehead on Fri Aug 19, 2005 at 08:42:57 PM PDT

My wife had AOL. I got things running under cable modem, and we canceled the service. We also had the credit card compromised (our oldest set of twins had memorized the number and the expiration date) which also partly had to do with AOL. We would set up limits on their accounts, they would login as my wife, and reset the password with her card number, and then reset their accounts back to full 24/7 access. We cancelled AOL, and got new card numbers. Somehow, AOL managed to get their hooks into the new card number, and started charging us again.

I don't know how my wife did it, but she managed to actually get the account canceled. This was right after the Ohio AG got some damages against AOL for not cancelling accounts.

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bigger problem[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 10:34:15 AM PDT

I'm sure you know that AOL is not your biggest problem. I hope you are dealing with the situation with your children.

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Similar CC experience with CompuServe[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 11:47:32 AM PDT

The wife had a similar experience with CompuServe and could not get them to stop billing her CC for the closed account. When she inquired at the CC company about getting a replacement card number, the CC rep indicated that it wouldn't help - it was the CC company's practice to automatically "forward" any recurring-type debits from legitimate companies (such as CS) to the new account number. So the wife completely cancelled the card. End of story, end of our business with that CC company.

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Being dead isn't enough, either[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 04:31:56 AM PDT

3 years ago my brother died (officially missing, presumed dead - no death certificate).

At that time I was able to cancel his credit card, gas, insurance, everything except his AOL account.

They insisted that only a death certificate would allow me to cancel his account without his screen name and password.

I tried again the next day, assuming someone more reasonable would answer the phone - no luck. Nothing short of a death certificate would be accepted. At this point I let them know that the credit card AOL was charging was already cancelled. That was followed up by a letter.

4 or 5 months later I get a collection letter from AOL. By this time everything was settled with my brother's estate, and I didn't want anyone smearing his name. So again I went round and round with AOL's collection dept.

I remember one - um, rep -  that said that they would find my brother. I said great, let me know when you do, as the family would like to bury him.

Maybe other people have resorted to faking death in order to get out of their AOL accounts?

After a couple weeks of this, I finally found a nice woman who was actually appalled at what I'd been thru, and promised to cancel the account and clear the charges to date if I sent a letter directly to her attention at a specific address.

She was good as her word. I sent the letter, and haven't heard from AOL collections since.

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Smearing his name?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by LasVegan on Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 08:42:47 AM PDT

How would this happen? Unpaid bills result in credit dings but that's effectively it. When my mother died some creditors couldn't understand the fact that the only way they were going to get paid was by following procedures, my hands were tied. As I put it to one dimwit who still didn't get it "I've got a judge saying one thing and you saying another. Who do you think I'm going to listen to?" The ones who wouldn't submit a proper claim never did get paid. Her credit got trashed but so what, dead people don't need credit. The only reason I know her credit got trashed is in time I started getting credit card offers in her name for rebuilding credit.

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No problem here[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by tcsbiz on Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 10:32:58 AM PDT

I had an AOL account for about 5 years. I cancelled it in 2000 and had no problems. The first person I talked with cancelled it and it took effect immediately. I could not access my account and did not get charges on my card. The only annoying thing about the process was that the guy tried to talk me out of it for about 15 minutes before cancelling it. He wanted to know why I was cancelling and told him that I was switching to the much cheaper (at that time) Family Video service. I also had an easy time cancelling my Family Video service when I went to DSL two years ago.

Many tech companies started having these problems when they outsourced customer service to save money and didn't have the ability to integrate software.

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This has been my experience, also[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 06:24:43 AM PDT

They wasted a little bit of my time trying to talk me out of cancelling, but did cancel and I never got charged after that. If I had kept all the CD's they have sent me since then I'd have quite a collection. They should have to pay some sort of polluter fee for all of the landfill space those things must waste.

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AOL disks[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 02:32:07 AM PDT

I used to use AOL in the 90's and had no problem cancelling, however, I started to get the free CD offers in the mail. My solution to that was to mark on them 'return to sender' and pop them back in the mail. The cd's stopped. If I get a free one now, I do that same thing. I have to say though that otherwise, I wouldn't touch them with a 20 foot barge pole.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#297)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:41:52 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#303)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 02:49:09 AM PDT

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Temporary credit card numbers the answer[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 03:49:57 AM PDT

Temporary credit card numbers weren't around in the 90's that I am aware of, but I am a firm believer in them now. I can't list the universe of card issuers that provide this service, but MBNA is one of them and I use it for any purchase I can now. With the service you define a set credit limit and expiration date for a portion of your credit line, and they issue a unique number. I suppose AOL could report you to a credit bureau, but in Virginia (where AOL is based) phone calls can be recorded with single-party consent... best to record your cancellation call and write down other notes to prove you cancelled (and they orally confirmed) your cancellation.

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Thanks for the reminder![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by kamnet on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 06:16:00 AM PDT

That reminds me, I signed up for an AOL trial last month to get some free calling card minutes. I needed to go cancel that. :-)

Most of the time I have no problem canceling AOL trials. I sign up for 2-3 of them a year to get stuff cheap or free and its usually not a headache.

I did have one problem however where AOL ended up billing me for one month and I got about 6 months of free service out of it due to constant problems and rude technical support. OH! AOL sent me a free external modem too, I still have no idea why but they said they'd be happy to give it to me free of charge.

Well, I HOPEFULLY just finished my cancellation. The rep on the other line did a lot of hemming and hawing about it and kept trying to rescue me, I had to cut his sales pitch off twice and be rather blunt with him, to which he just blurted out his script, forgot to give me my cancellation number, and passed me off to the follow-up message.  I'll follow it up tomorrow.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#298)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:41:55 PM PDT

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No cancellation record[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 06:22:56 AM PDT

"Dear AOL, Since you have lost your records of my call cancelling my account I obtained one from my phone company. I am sending a copy to you, the NYS Attorney General, the VA Attorney General, and the Dept. of Consumer Protection." I started getting bills and then letters from a collection agency for a magazine subscription that I never ordered. It was investigated by two Attorneys General and my County Dept. of Consumer Protection. They corrected it immediately..

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Classic reason for "throw-away" CC numbs[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 11:18:31 AM PDT

I love DiscoverCard's Single Use(er) aka Throwaway CreditCard numbers. The system assigns a "virtual" number which can only be used by a single merchant. If necessary a single email to DiscoverCard gets the "virtual" card number cancelled while leaving the underlying account untouched. The merchant never knows your "real" CC number. J

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Do not forget to write[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 11:49:32 AM PDT

The general advice that anything agreed to by telephone when dealing with billing descrepencies is not enforcable holds here too -- I expect. Therefor, it might be advisable to make sure you get the name of the operator, time of day (w/time zone), and some sort of cancellation number, shift id, or other unique identifier that can be tied to your account. Then write a letter referencing all the information you have, confirming your cancellation and send it to CURRENT REGISTERED AGENT: NAME: CORPORATION SERVICE COMPANY Agent for Service STREET: 11 S 12TH ST PO BOX 1463 CITY: RICHMOND STATE: VA ZIP: 23218-0000 STATUS: C CORP/LLC/R EFF DATE: 05/22/03 LOC: 216 RICHMOND CITY Also, if you have a family attorney you might put a cc to him on the bottom of the letter and keep a copy on file for your attorney just in case. This will put them on notice that you do not intend to play games. I found the agent for service info in about five minutes form the state of virginia State Corporation Commision web site. and I found the state of incorporation from the aol corporate web site. 'Ain't the internet wonderful. PS. Remember all those auto-ignore systems that say 'This call may be monitored for quality assistance.' Well, may means permission to me so that message means that they are giving me (or anyone else) permission to record the call for quality assurance purposes -- like making sure they do what they say they are going to do. After all, if they ment that they might choose to record the call they the message sould say 'This call might be recorded by us for quality assurance purposes.' So I assume that they are literate and that they mean what they say. G'day

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3 years of debits and they didn't notice???[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 11:54:53 AM PDT

This boggles my mind: "A reader who does have an AOL dial-up account recently discovered that for the last three years AOL has also been debiting his bank for a non-existent broadband account. " It must be nice to have enough money that you don't even bother checking your bank statements... O_o Back on topic: I tried out a free AOL offer and other than having to repeatedly inform the script monkey that I wasn't interested in an extension, my cancellation went through - maybe AOL Canada is better at this?

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use the fax[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 23, 2005 at 04:31:17 PM PDT

I used the fax number to cancel, and it totally worked. It also helped that I called and referenced the call in the Fax. Also once you do cancel that service DO NOT sign back into the AOL even on accident. They gave me some song and dnace about how my account was canceled, but I could still use it if I wanted to. But that just resets your canceled account to Active.

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AOL Settles Cancellation Policy Dispute[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 11:21:32 AM PDT

From Betanews:

"America Online will pay $1.25 million to about 300 consumers in New York to settle a dispute over its cancellation practices. As part of the settlement, AOL has agreed to reform its customer service policies and ensure consumers have an easier time canceling its service."

http://www.betanews.com/article/AOL_Settles_Cancellation_Policy_Dispute/1124905172

Elliot Spitzer strikes again!

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Elliot Spitzer to the rescue[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by DonWiss on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 11:23:59 AM PDT

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2005/aug/aug24a_05.html

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News article about this practice[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 11:26:52 AM PDT

AP news - 2005-08-23

AOL will pay over $1 million in penalties and costs and agrees to reform its practices, per an agreement with NY attorney general's office.

AOL employees could earn thousands of dollars in bonuses by not cancelling service. They were also rated on percentages of "saves". That encouraged them to fake "saves" by ignoring cancel requests. AOL agreed to eliminate any requirements that its customer service reps have a minimum number of "saves" in order to earn a bonus.

We'll see how things work out, but it's a much-needed step in the right direction.

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More on Settlement[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by srynas on Wed Aug 24, 2005 at 12:55:31 PM PDT

"In New York State, where Mr. Spitzer is running for governor, AOL's customers and former customers can receive refunds for as much as four months of charges if they tried unsuccessfully to cancel their service. Customers should submit a short claim form - available at http://www.oag.state.ny.us/internet/internet.html - to request repayment." "The penalties will barely put a dent in AOL's earnings, which were $368 million in the second quarter alone." Source: New York Times, August 24, 2005 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/technology/24cnd-online.html

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#294)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:52:58 PM PDT

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Record Your Calls to Customer Service[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Grimalkin on Sat Aug 27, 2005 at 10:01:51 AM PDT

I learned many years ago to record all my calls to change or cancel services. I also record threatening collection calls that have no basis in the actual situation. The $20 or so it costs to buy a cassette/digital recorder interface is well worth it. I live in a "one-party" state, so I can legally record calls without asking the permission of the other party. (Some people would argue that this is forbidden by Federal law, but a strict reading shows that it is not.) If you live in a "two-party" state, just ask the service agent if you can record the call for "training and quality purposes". Most of them will cautiously say OK, since they are apparently not prepared for the question in their training. Do not forget to ask the agent for his/her name, operator number, shift number, etc. Ask several times and repeat their answer. Once you have the recording (and you can make many on the same tape or digital media) be sure to date and initial it before putting it in a secure location. You would be surprised how much more cooperation you get when you state that you DID request a change or cancellation...and that you have a tape recording of the conversation to prove it. This either gets cooperation or a supervisor in just a few minutes. If you can't get a supervisor, ask for the legal department. If you still reach a dead-end, ask for the mailing address of the legal department so you can send a copy of the recorded conversation and a notarized copy of the written transcript. I've never had to go beyond this point.
Zonex, North Carolina
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This call may be recorded...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:20:07 PM PDT

Hmmm. It has been my experience that most, if not all, of my calls to 'call centers', and etc. start off with the message "This call may be rcorded for quality assurance and training purposes". In the public school where I was educated the word MAY means permission. Therefor the firm I an calling is giving me permissin to record the conversation for quality assurance and training purposes. Right? Right!. So in an effort to assure the quality executin of my cancellation order, I recorded the call, under the permission that the firm gave me. <grin>

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Do it yourself[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Fushigi on Tue Sep 20, 2005 at 05:55:05 AM PDT

When you place the call, say "this call is being recorded for my protection" as soon as they pick up. It's not your fault that it was an automated answering system that you spoke to; they have the option of having humans answer the phone.

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not smart[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 05:35:43 PM PDT

your a teacher..............sure

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#296)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:41:22 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Recording Calls[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 12:36:34 PM PDT

Actually, Federal law allows one-party taping, and while your own home state might also allow it, courts in another state can, and have, objected to such taping of their citizens. Remember the Linda Tripp case? And you can't be sure, when you call any Customer Service Department, at least those with toll-free numbers, which state or even country it's physically located in. And, from past experience, companies are prepared to lie about those locations in order to suppress playing those tapes in situations that will harm the company. Needless to say, it's also those larger companies that convince the courts in one state to charge someone in another state with illegal taping. http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html has a list of the various state laws, by the way. I do like the suggestion that "may be recorded" be interpreted as giving permission for you to do so though....

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Taping Interstate Calls Redux[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 19, 2005 at 01:11:56 PM PDT

http://www.rcfp.org/taping/index.html has an overview, and http://www.rcfp.org/taping/interstate.html has a discussion of the perils of taping interstate calls.

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your a moron[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#47)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 07:05:20 PM PDT

YOU ARE A MORON THAT IS NOT TRUE

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Cancelling AOL is a Nightmare[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by girlinthewhirl on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 02:39:51 AM PDT

About 2 months ago I saw a stack of Free-Take One! CD's for AOL and as I was with WalMartConnect at the time (crapware--actually version 2.0 of America Online, and slower than molasses on a cold day) I thought maybe they're faster--better--more interesting--let me try it. Free trial--50 days or 1500 hours, whichever comes first--what the h***, right? So I install the CD on my computer. First of all, I am amazed at how long it takes to install--I take a break to eat dinner, then clean up the dishes, then clean up the kitchen, then chase the cats around the house to blow my tension--still installing. Ohmygod. OK, uhh...I'll wait. Like 45 minutes later, it's finally up and running, and as an AOL Virgin, all I could say is, I've never seen anything like it. Feminized cloudy-white homepage with approximately 100 different links and services offered, yet no obvious way to access email or history. It wants to immediately sign me up for it's bundled services--do I want McAfee Virus Scan? Do I want Virus Protector? Do I want it's Diagnose My Computer service? Helpfully the McAfee adverts warn me that in order to install it, I need to rip Norton out first. Yeah, right! Like I'd remove my beloved antivirus program that was removing viruses downloaded from AOL even as AOL was trying to get me to sign up for McAfee? Not on your life! So anyway, I manage to close all the adverts for this and that without purchasing anything, and start using this ugly, puffy-looking bloatware. Their online email, which it doesn't take me too long to get into, saves 4 copies of everything I write and send! This means, if I want to delete e-mail to save space (they only allow you very limited storage) then I have to delete each and every email 4 times! Oh no! I hate this service already, and I haven't been on it but a day. So I moan and wail about it to my boyfriend for a week. By the way, it is a shade faster than WalMart Connect, but so what? ANYTHING is faster than WMConnect--snails, the USPS, giving birth--you name it. So I moan and wail to the BF, as I was saying, and just to shut me up, he puts a six-month membership to PeoplePC on his credit card. PeoplePC is no winner--I can never get my homepage the first time I dial up, I have to disconnect, reconnect, disconnect, reconnect--by the third or fourth reconnect it finally appears, well-rested from whatever vacation it was on, and it gives me no problems from there--uses POP4 email (Outlook Express), Google Search (my favorite), no bloatware, doesn't hog resources when I check it on Task Manager, is exceptionally easy to use. Not only that, but has an accelerator(5 times faster)that actually WORKS, and a right-click function to restore picture/page quality as needed. All for 3 months at $5.47, then another 3 months for $9.95. OK. So I have PeoplePC, and more or less, I'm happy. So now it's time to cancel AOL. I call within the above-mentioned cancellation time frame and speak to Maurice, who I will never forget as long as I live, because all Maurice tells me is he's sorry I've chosen another ISP provider and wouldn't I just hang on to AOL if he sweetened the pot up with another 2 months free? Just to try them out a little more? We hate to see you rush off, now! I tell myself, well, it makes a convienent back-up email address, should PeoplePC crash overnight into obscurity, and well, what the h***, it's FREE. Who says no to FREE? It's difficult, when it makes you feel so clever to think you are getting something FREE from anybody! So I make Maurice swear that this will be FREE as long as I cancel it by December 5, 2005. I even ask Maurice if there are surcharges for cancelling, or continued billing because my cancellation cuts into a new billing cycle--all the quote-unquote INTELLIGENT questions you're supposed to ask these conniving sonsofb****** (nothing personal, Maurice!) Maurice cheerfully swears up, down, and sideways that if I cancel by Decemeber 5, I will never be charged for anything. Nothing. No problem, OK? I mark the words "Cancel AOL" on my calender for Dec. 5th and move on, using PeoplePC for everything, and just checking AOL now and then for reply email from someone I wrote to earlier in time. At the time I'm a semi-tecchie, in forums, trying to get my computer up to top speed, and once my boyfriend, an absolute computer junkie, triples the memory and the CPU on my computer, I can no longer understand why it is slow. Slower, in fact, than ever, considering its new pyhsical strength, courtesy of the BF. Another thing, every time I try to connect to PeoplePC, AOL starts up, instead. I try to cure this one night, after months of frustration, through AOL"s control panel (an adjustment I'd made, in fact, many times in the last month of AOL use) but once again, its control panel resettings were lost with the next cold boot, and I'd had it, so I opened Task Manager, and was shocked at the results: I've looked at my Task Manager so many times over the last year I could recite in my sleep which .exe files SHOULD be running (Service Hosts, alg.exe, lsass.exe, ad nauseum) so I knew instantly at least 5 applications had no business showing up in Task Manager at all--and, you guessed it, after careful research thru the Search function on my XP, they all turned out to belong to AOL (running constantly in the backround, even when AOL was not in use. I cannot tell you just how infuriated I was--the inner workings of my computer are jealously guarded by me against everything--hackers, viruses, adware, spyare, pop-ups, spam, hijackings--people's kids aren't half the time as carefully looked after for so much as a hiccup, as my computer was. Each Search for the different .exe's it was running revealed the same thing--like a parasite, it had infected every major set of files on my computer, and created back-ups and duplicate copies of its dozen of running processes and applications everywhere. It was monitoring my RealPlayer use, it had inserted itself in my start-up programs using 4 different files--PortMagic, which reconfigures your modem into a basically brain-dead, vacant-eyed slave of AOL, AOL 9.0, then there was AOL Coach Version, and another PurePorts app of some kind. I opened the Containing Folders on each file and guess where they were hiding? In C:/Documents and Settings. In C:/Application Data. In dozens more files it self-created and engraved onto my hard drive, where it was sure to remain forever, or so it's creators thought! So I tried to uninstall it, and ohmygod. OK, here we have a program that's on my Add/Remove List in 4 different ways: AOL 9.0, AOL Coach Version, which says next to it: Please Choose Which Version to Remove, AOL Toolbar, and PortMagic...The first 3 take 3-5 minutes a piece to remove, and all require re-starts. The Toolbar uninstalls fast enough. Back to Task Manager: AOL is still running after Uninstall, as AOL COnnectivity Services! How can this be? I am so mad I download Hijack This! just to get to the bottom of the problem, which I will get to if I have to spend the next 10 years examining every file on my computer one by one, by hand. I am that mad. The Toolbar and the Connectivity Services show up on Hijack This! and I try to delete them, like half-a-dozen times, and the toolbar dissapears, but Hijack This! tells me that AOL is an N23--a hijack of my Windows XP Services, and the only way to get rid of it is to terminate the Windows host service that runs it, which could damage my computer. I am madder than a wet hen on the 4th of July now. I restart my computer in SafeMode, which doesn't run those services, anyway, and proceed to comb through my C:/drive for an entire night, until the wee hours of morn. AOL is still everywhere, infecting guest accounts that no one ever used, because I'm the only computer user in my house, and I found dozens of back-up copies of Coach, PortMagic, AOL 9.0, Connectivity, and Application Data, all over the place. I probably erased another 200-300 AOL files and maybe 2 or 3 dozen of it's folders that night, in addition to what files were removed during Uninstall. And they advertise themselves as being loaded with computer protection? They are the biggest Zombie PC threat out there, no one else on Earth can come close. We don't need their so-called protection--we need a program that protects us from THEM! I'm really bleary-eyed and pissed the next day when I call to cancel, but I can't get past the Automated Operator, who understands nothing I say despite the fact that I've spoken English all my life. She has me repeat every answer to her questions at least 3 times each, fails to understand any of them, but refuses to transfer me to customer service until I answer 2-3 MORE questions, the answers to which she again tells me are all gibberish. (TIP: to get her to shut up, keep pressing the number 0 until she hangs her automated head in defeat.) So I hang up, not yet having learned my TIP, and don't call back until yesterday. I apply my TIP and get through to Billing, which is not where I belong, but its too late to do anything about it, so I have to give all the same info the Automated Operator couldn't get to Billing,(Screenname, account question, home telephone #), then be transferred to Cancellations, where I had to repeat all this information yet AGAIN. I get Allan, who is more than understanding that i just want to stick with PeoplePC, but can't let me go without slapping a $50 SURCHARGE on me for cancelling! And these people, these sonsofb*******, have my credit card #! Cancelling itself is no problem, in fact my Cancellation Confirmation # is 877971308, but due to the supposed fact that I chose a $17.95 a month plan by agreeing to use their free trial of the service, Allan's hands are tied, there is nothing he can do! So, why didn't Maurice tell me about this, I want to know? Maurice said it was another 2 months free, cancel anytime before December 5th, no problem, why don't you pull up the tape of the conversation I had with Maurice, if you thinnk I'm lying, I know what he said! Because, Allan tells me, Maurice obviously didn't know you had agreed to a $17.95 a month plan, binding for 12 months, when you signed up for the service. Well, I didn't know about it, either, I protest, why do I have to pay $50 dollars to cancel? It was right there in the Fine Print, Allen says, you have to read the Fine Print! I'm telling him, now, I don't remember signing up for $17.95 a month, if I did it was an accident or a mistake or something, can't you people just cancel me and let me go without a $50 surcharge? I'm not paying you $50! Well, Allan says, that won't be possible. I can stay online with AOL for the next 12 months at $17.95 a month, or I can take my $50 surcharge, but either way I wasn't getting out of this without getting my screw. The rape of the AOL Virgin. So, after slugging it out with Allen for another 20 minutes, I ask to speak to his supervisor and was refused, but Allan says his supervisor CAN call me back within 24 hours. Yeah, right! And I CAN fly to the Moon on a feather, as well, I just know I can, but will I? Probably not. I hang up on Allen, and using my TIP, fool the brain-dead Zombie Operator into transferring me to Customer Service without uttering more than one or two words (this time I kept saying that NO, I wasn't an existing customer, but she couldn't understand me, and kept asking me to repeat myself.) I got transferred to Cancellations again, went over everything Allan and I had talked about with Damion, after he spent 2 minutes asking me all those screenname--account question--phone number--mailing address questions--and after turning the problem over 25 different timeswith him, still couldn't get him to solve it for me. We figured out why I got a letter recently stating I would be billed for $23.90(for another account I created around the same time just to catch Spam mail) which I got a cancellation notice for yesterday (I cancelled that account with Maurice, so I thought, a month ago). Damion's as sweet as pie, but I have to take this $50 surcharge for cancelling my so-called $17.95 a month "contract", and looking through all of AOL's corrospondence records with me, he's sure I KNEW about the surcharge, because it was stated in one letter and one e-mail AOL supposedly sent me. Mysteriously, although he has records of these communications with me, he can't provide dates for the mailing of either one, nor can he offer to send me copies of them, and I adamanantly deny ever seeing anything to the effect of what he is telling me about. After a 45-minute go-around, I finally ask for Damion's supervisor, and am given to him immediately, which surprises me, after the way Allan had so closely guarded this stiff. The supervisor--Robert-Bob--or something like that, I didn't write his name down, and now it slips me--said, Look, we sent you corrospondence to the fact that you signed up for this $17.95 a month agreement (which I can't remember doing and it was an accident if I did, or something I thought I could undo later if I DID sign up, since I don't remember)and we stated clearly a $50 surcharge if you cancel early, there's no way out of it, we're billing you for it, there's no way to undo that, end of the story. They all worked hard yesyerday at AOL to make it look like it was my fault this nightmare was even happening, and therefore, I should shut up and take my screwing like a good girl. I'm going to tell you something, the people who run AOL are nothing but conniving con artists who pay their Cancellation/Retention people $28.80 an hour to keep at least 65% of the customers who attempt to cancel on them, and they give a bonus to these people for each successful "Save". I wonder if Maurice, Allan and Damion will have to take a pay cut or even find new jobs over me, because I gave them hell, and gladly would again. Anybody up for Small Claims Court, or even a Class Action? If you are interested in pursueing this with me, let me know.
girlinthewhirl
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Try disputing the charge with your credit card[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by ekuns on Fri Nov 18, 2005 at 05:58:02 PM PDT

Explain the circumstances to your credit card company. There's a chance that they'll refuse the charge so you don't have to pay the cancellation fee. Good luck.

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Why Bother[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous User on Sat Nov 19, 2005 at 11:15:39 PM PDT

I get a little confused now and then, if my experience with AOL is any proof. I actually gave them my debit card #, not my credit card. So, last week I closed the checking account tied to it, after I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau against AOL's Dulles, Virginia headquarters. Now AOL will have to send me a bill for the $50, just like any other creditor. The more I read about them on the interenet, the more disgusted and angry I get. NY and Ohio have won lawsuits against them for refusing to allow free-trial users to cancel their service; as far as I know, the state of OK is pursueing a class-action against them for the same reason. I hail from beautiful Florida, and would like to see my lovely state put a class-action on them, too, for the same reason. Would the Florida Attorney General look into these matters for us, and be willing to pursue it? Perhaps us Floridians should start a letter-writing campaign to the Attorney General, to encourage that office to take things in that direction. A show of hands? Let me know here, I'm all for it.