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Does SBC Play Good Cop/Bad Cop With Customers?

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Aug 15, 2005 at 12:42:10 AM PDT

Few of us ever really chose to be SBC customers, but many of us are anyway. And I think many of my fellow reluctant SBC customers will agree that a reader's recent tale of the customer service hoops SBC has been making him jump through has a familiar ring to it.


The reader has been trying to dispute a $110 SBC put on his residential phone bill for installation of phone jack, a jack that he didn't request and was never installed. His repeated phone calls to SBC trying to get the matter resolved have revealed a pattern he finds disturbing.

"It is not just that the matter has not been resolved, it is also the reprehensible way that SBC goes about handling customer inquiries," the reader wrote. "What I am about to describe happened so consistently that I know it is intentional no matter how much SBC denies it, and in fact, I am a little embarrassed that it took me so long to figure it out."

The reader realized that his initial call to SBC always seemed to result in rude treatment from the customer service representative. "When a customer calls SBC customer service a recording comes on asking for the phone number the customer is calling about, supposedly so it can be routed to the right place," the reader wrote. "The first call on a day goes to the bad cop. This person asks what you want and when you tell them they just make up a response. It has nothing to do with the problem and when you point that out, they get you to argue with them. They will hang up on you, if you do not hang up on them. In fact, when we first received the bill, it was my wife who called about it. She got the bad cop and by the end of the call, she was crying. My wife does not cry easily. SBC owes my wife a personal apology."

Calling back would, however, yield entirely different results. "If you call again immediately, the recording says that it appears you called recently and asks if this is about the same thing," the reader wrote. "You say yes and get transferred to this wonderfully friendly person that starts off with, 'How can I make you a very satisfied customer?' In my case, this good cop/bad cop routine is just a waste of time -- mine and SBC's -- as I will always call back, if for no other reason than to complain about the first call. But what about the divorced mother of a two-year-old who comes home from work after picking up her child from day care and finds a problem with her bill? She, I submit, and many customers in similar situations, will not know what to do after that first call. She doesn't have time to spend hours on the phone and will probably just pay the incorrect charge, at least eventually, when she gets letters and calls threatening to cut off or reduce service. That is stealing in my book."

Although the "good cop" always agrees to remove the bogus charge plus penalties and interest SBC has been adding to the bill because of it, the charges are still there. "I am also aware that there is actually a variation on this routine," the reader continued. "Once the incorrect charge becomes an overdue charge that appears on the bill, it does not matter how many times you call in a day, the call always first goes to the bad cop who after getting your number and before you can say anything says something like, 'You have overdue charges. The total bill is $xxx.xx, would you like to make a credit card payment now?' As with the other routine, if you try to dispute the bill with this person, he will get rude and even hang up on you. Unless you know to specifically ask for the good cop, you will never get through to the person who will discuss the bill, no matter how many times you call back. Incidentally, the bad cop has always been male, and the good cop has always been female. Whoever thought up this way of handling customers should be fired."

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Re: SBC lost me years ago[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Mon Aug 15, 2005 at 07:46:48 AM PDT

I was an SBC customer when they were Ameritech. I called and asked (right after the SBC switchover) if DSL was available in my area and they assure me that it was. I took a day off from work and installed everything they sent exactly how they told me to do it. Well the day DSL was to be installed I got a phone call simply stating that DSL was not available and I shouldn't have tried to order it. When I called back SBC blamed the company supposedly in charge of installations. I called that company and they blamed SBC. After that, I got them on a three-way call and made someone take responsibility. SBC reluctantly agreed that it was their error. I am fortunate enough to have two local cable carriers that also provide phone service so I took my business elsewhere and kept my old phone number. Phone, cable and Internet services have been excellent. SBC can kiss my foot!

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by Anonymous User on Mon Aug 15, 2005 at 09:22:03 AM PDT

I never thought I'd be posting a comment in support of a large, sometimes impersonal corporation like SBC, but I must say that the numerous calls I've placed to SBC over the last couple of years, and to its predecessor, SNET, for 20 years before that, have been handled in a uniformly curteous manner, whether it's in regard to billing, DSL or general phone service, both residential & commercial.

The original poster did not mention which branch or former Baby Bell he was dealing with. Perhaps it's just a regional thing. Doesn't this person's state have some sort of Department of Public Utility & Control, or Dept of Consumer Protection, that he can file a complaint with?

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courteous but clueless[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Mon Aug 15, 2005 at 06:04:56 PM PDT

I agree with the above poster that SBC has always been courteous on the phone with me, but also ever-so-clueless (I'm in Michigan, if you're wondering.) I have found that I will be promised anything, given credits on my bill, and apologized profusely to. What I don't get is follow-through or competence on any of the promises. But that's OK, I can always get more apologies, promises, and credits (this outfit is the market leader in making apologies.)

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I take it that SBC is Southern Bell perhaps?

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Re: SBC[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
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No, Southern Bell became BellSouth. I believe SBC is composed of the remnants of Southwestern Bell, Pacific Bell, Ohio Bell, Indiana Bell, Wisconsin Bell, Michigan Bell, Illinois Bell, and Southern New England Telephone (SNET).

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Sorry, but this report on SBC is very short on details. I'm just as inclined to wonder about the tone and tact of the caller as I am about the goodness or badness of the phone reps.

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Re: Skeptical[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 16, 2005 at 09:43:43 AM PDT

I have to say, I've seen some of the same behavior from SBC. My first call about a recent DSL installation was answered by a very rude agent who eventually hung up on me. My second and third call were routed in circles. That is, I was told I would be routed to DSL support, but in fact I was routed back to the main call center, where I had to explain my problem from the beginning to a new agent. Finally I escalated the issue and was politely told by the manager that it would take an additional week to fix my problem. Still waiting to see whether the new delivery date is any more valid than the old.

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SBC alternatives[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 16, 2005 at 09:19:23 AM PDT

I think in most cities served by SBC, there is at least one alternative for local telephone service (besides the wireless companies). In my area (St Louis), I have used Birch Telecom for almost 4 years and I've been very happy. The only drawback is that I have to remember to call them and not SBC when there is a phone outage (rare). None (that I'm aware of) of the former AT&T consumer-oriented companies are very pleasant to deal with: AT&T itself, the Baby Bells, the former AT&T Wireless, etc.

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No trouble with AT&T[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Aug 16, 2005 at 11:36:49 AM PDT

I switched from SBC to AT&T Consumer some while back. And I have had no trouble with AT&T whatsoever. At least, none that they didn't inherit from SBC. (I still get that annoying power hum on my line every time it rains. And calling in a trouble just gets an SBC tech who comes out when it's dry and can find no trouble.) Of course, now that AT&T is getting out of the consumer business and merging with SBC, I'm not sure how long that will last. But, as noted, there are always alternatives.

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Re: repairs in the rain[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
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Watch the weather report, and as soon as it's supposed to rain for two days straight, THEN call in the hum on your line. If you time this right, you should have the technician out there in the pouring rain and actually able to fix it.

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That won't work (I tried it). They will simply not come out to test the line until it has dried up.

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Try another pair of wires[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#44)
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Get a second line, and if it doesn't hum in the rain then cancel the primary line.

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