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Backup Service Shell Game

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 08:40:57 AM PDT

How can you tell if a web service is just an empty shell where the only real functionality is collecting your money? That's the situation one reader suspects he finds himself in with a data backup service called Virtual Backup.


"A couple of years ago I subscribed to VirtualBackup.com," the reader wrote. "It seemed like a good deal at the time -- some online storage for under $40 a year. They had a poor interface and they proceeded to make it worse, but I was able to get through to their support and talk to someone who was helpful a few times."

Recently, however, the reader went to the site to upload some more data and found it was no longer working. "They seem to still have an active website to bring in customers, but they don't seem to be backing up anything or allowing you to recover your data," the reader said. "When you try to go to their Admin site, they let you sign in with your password, but then they say their Admin site is 'temporary' being re-worked."

Virtual Backup's home page claims that the company is partners with NTT/Verio, but the reader could not find a way to contact VirtualBackup.com that still works. One very bad sign was that their toll free number now connects to a recording that refers the caller to a 10-10 number in order "to be connected to a new national directory assitance service" that costs $4.99 per call. "And when you call their regular toll number, you are told to e-mail them from their support web page," the reader adds. "When you do that you get the response that 'this is an automatically generated delivery status notification ... delivery to the following recipients failed...' I will assume that they are no longer providing backup support. Fortunately, I don't have any data I need to recover."

The reader says he will just find himself another backup method, but it bothers him that others may shell out money for VirtualBackup.com because it's presenting itself as being operational. "The home page still reads like a company that is still in business, and it looks like you could still sign up for a service that will not be provided," the reader wrote. "I'm just concerned about a company that doesn't let you know that they are no longer functioning -- they should be up front with their status."

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whois data[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by wildeep on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 10:40:22 PM PDT

Here's the contact info I found from the domain registration information. I don't know if this differs from the contact information from the website.
Registrant: Virtual Backup, Inc. 2275 E. Foothill Blvd Pasadena, CA 91107 US Domain Name: VIRTUALBACKUP.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Virtual Backup, Inc. tobrien@virtualbackup.com 2275 E. Foothill Blvd Pasadena, CA 91107 US 626.577.4565 fax: 626.535.9620 Record expires on 25-Feb-2008. Record created on 26-Feb-1998. Database last updated on 1-Jul-2005 01:36:07 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS12.ZONEEDIT.COM 64.246.26.64 NS7.ZONEEDIT.COM NS6.ZONEEDIT.CO.UK 217.160.131.209


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Even the General Support mail doesn't work[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by wantobe on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 02:32:27 AM PDT

I tried sending a message to the General Support (for non-customers) email (support@virtualbackup.com) and got a rejection notice. Apparently there is a "smtp communication problem with the recipient's email server." Anyone know what "<S55566 #5.5.0 smtp;504 <S55566>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname>" might mean?

Well, a quick search cleared it up; this generally happens when spam blocking software rejects the sending email. I'm going to do some additional testing to see if mail will get through, and I'll post the follow ups here if anyone's interested.

Rob Miles
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Additional research[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by wantobe on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 03:08:56 AM PDT

After some additional research (thanks to dnsstuff.com), it appears that their email is working properly except that it won't accept messages from their own web site. This might have something to do with the fact that their email looks to be handled by zoneedit.com, probably as a mail forwarding operation.

They also host their site at rackspace, for what it's worth. Not that it's relevent as far as I can tell. Just thought I'd mention it.

Anyway, I sent an email to support@virtualbackup.com directly through my mail server to bypass their web form and we'll see if 1) they get it and 2) they respond. I invited them to come here (I provided a link to this article) and respond to the original complaint, so we'll see how serious they are about doing business and taking care of their clients.

My wife claims I'm to obsessive. Would an obsessive man have the time to go through all of this? :-)

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Good for You[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by srynas on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 10:04:28 AM PDT

Very good follow-up. This makes me think that this website could be expanded by Ed for postings by company. This would allow us to have a running dialogue by company.

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Re: Good for You[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Ed Foster on Fri Jul 01, 2005 at 01:33:55 PM PDT

I'd be willing to do something like that, although of course companies can already post here if they want. And sometimes they do. Of course, in a case like this, where I couldn't find a way to contact Virtual Backup ahead of time, having a formal response mechanism for the company wouldn't have done any good. -- Ed

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The telephone number is disconnected.

If email is dead too, someone ought to demand that the registrar pull the domian until their contact info is correct and current.

That should fix them - and get them off the web if they really aren't providing any service for the money they solicit.



Cheers,
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Call the CA state attorney general on that one[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by The Catlady on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 11:09:26 AM PDT

If this site is collecting money - or has already done so and what they've collected for isn't already past its expiration date of the service - then someone affected by this company needs to contact the state attorney general's office. They do have a California address, and there are probably other options too - they do business interstate, right? Sounds like a federal violation of some fraud statute ought to come into play. Perhaps they started out legit but things didn't work out, or maybe they sold the company to someone else who had fraud in mind. They have stored copies of somebody's data, right? I would waste no time and start contacting somebody 'official' about possible fraud.

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Re: Even the General Support mail doesn't work[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by veritek on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 11:55:57 AM PDT

Anyone know what "#5.5.0 smtp;504 : Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname" might mean?
This is an error message from the receiving mail server saying that it will not accept the message. The "5.5.0" and "504" are permanent failures. The server is essentially saying: "I'm not going to accept this message. Don't try sending it again."

The rest of the message gives the reason for the failure. In this case, the reason is that the sending server needs to identify itself, or HELO, with a "fully qualified hostname". A "fully qualified hostname", or FQDN (Fully Qualified Domain Name), is the full hostname for the mail server, as listed in DNS. The sending server is apparently saying something like: HELO mail, whereas the receiving server wants something like: HELO mail.example.com.

As you found out, many mail servers will refuse to accept mail from a server that does not provide an FQDN with the HELO command. It is often, but not always, a sign of spam.

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