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A Very Fishy License Agreement

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:20:53 AM PDT

Tricky sneakwrap terms lurk in the depths of the Internet for so many different kinds of products theses days, it's all too easy to violate some supposedly binding legal contract without even knowing it. If you happen to have some ornamental fish you're leaving unchaperoned, just for example, you might already be in way over your head.


"Now there are EULAs for fish," a reader recently wrote me. "Yes, as in the kind with fins and gills you would buy in a baggie and bring home to put in an aquarium. I stumbled across the website for GloFish, a genetically-modified form of Zebra fish that have a fluorescent glow. The license agreement there is short and sweet, but it does contain one big shocker."

As EULAs are skittish creatures that sometimes disappear once they realize they're being watched, I will quote the "GloFish Fluorescent Fish License Notice" as it was to be found in its entirety on the GloFish site on June 15, 2005:

"The GloFish fluorescent ornamental fish are intended solely for visual enjoyment as aquarium fish by end users who have purchased these fish from authorized resellers, and not for commercial reproduction. These fish are the subject of various intellectual property rights owned or controlled by Yorktown Technologies, Inc. ('Yorktown'), both in the U.S. and internationally. These rights include (1) patent rights, including published patent applications (2) copyrights; and (3) trademark rights, including slogans and service marks."
"By accepting these fish, and as part of the consideration therefor, the recipient agrees: (1) not to, breed or propagate these fish, permit or encourage others to breed or propagate these fish, or otherwise intentionally engage in any activity that may result in or lead to the breeding or propagation of these fish by anyone without the express written consent of Yorktown; (2) not to sell or transfer these fish to anyone in the State of California, or to possess or otherwise engage in any activity that results in the possession of these fish in the State of California."

Now, being a Californian, I couldn't help but notice that last part. Hey, we already feel like there must be an ocean or two between us and the rest of the country, and now we can't even buy the same pets as everybody else? It turns out, however, this is due not to discrimination on Yorktown's part but just another one of those unique laws California's enacted. Something about our wimpy state legislature not wanting to take any chances with Day-Glo genes getting into the wrong stream of wildlife, such as Sunset Boulevard. Hey, we march to a different drum out here.

What the reader really found surprising about the GloFish license was the bit about not letting the fish breed. "As far as I know, the fish are not shipped sterile, so they should not require any reverse engineering to bear young," the reader commented. "And, Ed, this brings me to a question. How exactly do you keep a two-inch fish from romancing the shiny young lovely from the cave on the other side of the tank when the lights go out? Assuming she's game, too? You know what they say, two young fish in love in the springtime..."

While it isn't made entirely clear on GloFish.com, further inquiries by both the reader and I did confirm that rubbing two GloFish together -- or permitting and encouraging them to do so themselves -- can indeed produce baby GloFish. Another thing we discovered that generally seems to be the case is that the GloFish don't have any form of shrinkwrap (or slipstream or splashscreen or whatever) license agreement attached when they are sold. "I spoke to the listed dealers in my area who has sold GloFish in the past," the reader wrote. "None of them had heard of a license that would not allow the fish to be bred, and to their knowledge they did not have to advise anyone of any conditions on the purchase of the fish. I got the impression they sold them just like any other fish, which means you point and say 'I want that one' and make the employee chase it with the net, bag it up, and hope it doesn't die from all the excitement."

So something about the GloFish license doesn't smell quite right. While I don't quite see how Yorktown can copyright a fish, I have no reason to doubt they have a valid patent for the genetic modifications. But if they want to place restrictions on what customers can do with the fish -- or what the fish can do with each other, which is even more problematic -- why hide those restrictions in a EULA on their website that few would likely see?

"I know what they mean with their license - they don't want Joe Fishbreeder to duplicate and sell their creative works, even though in this case they are living creatures, for a profit," the reader wrote. "But I thought it was a new low to have to agree to a EULA to own a pet -- especially if that license doesn't even come with the product like shrinkwrap licenses do. And they leave it open to interpretation whether they would come after me if I were to get a pair of these fish and they mated and had babies. Do I need to destroy the babies? Can I give them away to non-California friends? Does the reproduction of the fish revoke my license to the original fish? Will they come take my fish away? Can you be held to agree to something that is clearly outside of your ability to control? All of that is doubtful but open to interpretation from their license."

I would have loved to put some of the reader's questions to Yorktown officials, but my attempts to lure someone to speak for the company got no nibbles. But there's one question we can try answering on our own. How much longer will be before the birds, the bees, and all the fishies in the seas have to check the fine print to see what they are licensed to do today?

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Glowing Fish License Agreement[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:37:13 AM PDT

I think what's going on here is that the company is trying (not very successfully IMHO) to deflect liability for damages should purchasers dump the fish in their local waterway and they become invasive exotics which displace natural species. The company thinks it can say: "We told them not to let them propagate" and "It's all the customer's responsibility". The California restriction is probably because California is particularly sensitive to the importation of exotic species and has more laws against it.

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by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 09:48:00 AM PDT

I found this topic so outright weird I read other parts of their website, and I learned that zebra fish, fluorescent and otherwise, are native to India and cannot survive in non-tropical waters. So I don't think the company was concerned with release of their little gold mines into the wild. And the California part is because the state government will not allow the fish in the state. The company is trying to prevent their products from getting where they are not supposed to be. It sounds like the writer is in violation of more than just the company's EULA. Now, the EULA is comical, and it's unenforceable because the buyer was not aware (and had no reason to be aware) of its existence when he bought the fish, but it's not totally off the wall.

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    Not so surprising[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
    by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 09:01:51 AM PDT

    Monsanto has patents on their GM herbicide-resistent grains. When they sell to farmers, part of the agreement is that the farmers will not use their crop for subsequent replantings. It's the same thing.

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    I read about that.......[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
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    The kernels they sell to farmers are actually sterile, so they can't reproduce. Of course, there are a couple of problems with Monsanto's product: [1] The product is actually MORE expensive than standard seed corn. Farmers usually take a few kernels from their standard crops, and save them for the next planting season. The genetically-modified corn has a "one-use-only" gene enabled on them, so the farmer has to buy from Monsanto again if they want to plant a new crop. [2] While the corn, theoretically, can't reproduce again.... well, life always finds a way to get around inconvenient "blockades". Many environmentalists and scientists have expressed concern about the gene-code finding a way into regular crops (polination, mixing seed... let your imagination run wild here), and causing contamination. I believe the instructions for using the GM corn states not to mix it with other crops, but again...... [3] The usual concern about eating GM corn. Humans can make mistakes, y'know, and genes aren't always "this-controls-this-only" type. What happens if the code that controls herbicide-resistance, say, also controls edibility, or poison-retention? What if an insect that eats the corn suddenly can resist powerful pesticides, or taste horrible to its natural predators? We don't have all the answers yet on what each piece of the code does what. The last I heard, the corn is still in experimental stages, and not on the market for human consumption yet.

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    by Anonymous User on Mon Jul 18, 2005 at 05:45:51 AM PDT

    Not to be splitting kernels here, but hybrid seed corn produced by all seed companies are "one-use-only" from a practical standpoint and has been that way for 40-50 years. The corn is not sterile, but a second generation planting would not produce nearly the yield of the original hybridized seed. The Monsanto legal restriction has more to do with soybeans seeds which until recently were traditionally held-over year-to-year by the farmers. Doing so would prevent Monsanto from collecting on technology they developed. Farmers still have the option to plant non-Monsanto developed soybeans if the economics do not justify the added costs and weed control is not an issue.

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    Not it is not the same[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
    by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 09:43:48 AM PDT

    Not it is not the same. Farmer would have to take action to re-use the grain. The average person with an aquarium can't tell which Zebra fish is male and which is female (until she is with children). And if a male & female are put in the same tank, they can breed, if they are so inclined. Actually I thought that the grain produced plants that were sterile so couldn't reseed. Any way, didn't the fish owner have the GloFish sign his EULA that says they can't breed? <grin>

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    Can't Be Binding[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
    by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 09:11:10 AM PDT

    I'm not an attorney, but if you purchase this fish in a bag from your local pet store without explicitly signing an agreement or opening a shrinkwrap, there can't be any binding contract on you. Perhaps on the pet store, but not on you.

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    Just a note on fish in general...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
    by Pepsi Kid on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 09:37:40 AM PDT

    In most instances, Zebra fish along with tetras and other egg laying fish cannot or will not breed in home aquariums. There are fish that do, but if this species originates from the Zebra fish, it probably won't breed. To get it to breed, you would have to purposly set up a very specific breeding (and rearing) enviornment. As to the validity of such an EULA, without signing or being given a paper with the "license" info, how could it stand up in court?

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    Fishy license[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
    by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:08:50 AM PDT

    It is ridiculous to deride these people for what the rose industry has been doing for over 100 years: prevent legitimate growers from reproducing hybrid roses, without paying license fees. If todays legal system requires a license to do that, then why not that simple license? Why pick on a small company that's just trying to make a legitamate living, instead of the big guys that are expanding the limits of intellectual property laws.

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    Same with dog breeders[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
    by Reziac on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:38:06 AM PDT

    The vast majority of purebred, registered puppies are now sold with what amount to EULAs in the form of nonbreeding contracts, often including terms to control other aspects of the "owner experience". Originally this came out of the rare-breed camp (which is heavily populated by nuts), where puppies are hard to sell, as an effort to eliminate competition, but the concept has since slopped over into mainstream breeds (largely as a result of old-timers aging out and being replaced by newbie breeders, who have a little success in the show ring then suddenly know everything).

    Some such contracts are reasonable, but increasingly they are downright invasive. Often they are not in the best interests of the animal (such as requiring use of a bad diet just because the breeder is a nut who uses said bad diet) or the breed as a whole (often the best specimens are thereby removed from the gene pool, because these clueless know-it-all newbies aren't very good at evaluating puppies). Anyone interested can find examples of these contracts all over the net.

    A further side effect is that invasive contracts select against normal people (what normal person wants to be told what they can and can't do with their pet for the next 10 years??) which again is not in the best interest of the animal, as "weirdo homes" are more likely to wind up generating a "rescue dog" thru sheer lack of ordinary training.

    As a professional dog trainer and breeder with 35 years experience, I find the whole thing ludicrous. Consequently I don't use contracts. I use my own good judgment as to who is going to be a responsible pet owner, rather than trying to enforce common sense with a piece of paper. And since there is such a thing as nonbreeding registration, I use that as my separator for pups that aren't breeding quality. Why use a redundant contract, or have to follow people around to ensure that they comply with a bunch of over-the-top terms??
    ~REZ~
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    Dog contracts[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
    by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 09:51:04 AM PDT

    I don't like dog contracts but the breeders that use them are very upfront about their contracts (& how it is the 'right' thing to do). If you want to see the worst kind of these contracts, check out most dog rescues. But this is different from the fish EULA - dog contract is presented up front and buyer has to sign. There is "a meeting of the minds". With a third party EULA, there is no meeting of the minds so I doubt it is a legal contract. Perhaps it is binding from the person who bought the fish from the GloFish folks but not on the downstream purchaser (assuming the fish store people did not mention it).

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    Fishy License & roses[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:38:55 AM PDT

    This poster is right about the rose industry...hybrid roses come with a warning label that says 'asexual reproduction prohibited'. I wonder, if you ignore the warning and reproduce them, does that make you an asexual offender?

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    Re: Fishy License & roses[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
    by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 07:52:41 AM PDT

    This poster is right about the rose industry...hybrid roses come with a warning label that says 'asexual reproduction prohibited'. I wonder, if you ignore the warning and reproduce them, does that make you an asexual offender?

    That's funny, I don't care who you are! Git 'er done!

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    yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#78)
    by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:46:53 PM PDT

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    key words in legal docs[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
    by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:22:31 AM PDT

    It states, however obtusely, "intentionally engage in any activity". No, they cannot by these terms, however binding or not, go after Joe or Jane Fishowner just because they got a momma and a poppa to be in their baggie of red lightning. This is to put out, in the public domain, the fact that if you INTENTIONALLY breed them, for whatever purpose, and they find out, they can come after you with full force of law. It is on their website and is probably in the documentation given to their legal resellers (whether they read it or not is immaterial), and thusly you are "on the hook" for it if you INTENTIONALLY put the Marvin Gaye on and lower the lights, hoping for a booster crop of genetically mutated Zebra Danio's to start selling on your own. This is no different from any software license, if you make copies with intent to sell, we can come after you. Was that so hard to understand or are we all so blinded in our zealotry to call any license agreement bad? Sure there are some bad ones, but companies DO have the right to protect themselves from nefarious types, just as you have the right to not buy it from them. And as far as "unseen", etc... ignorance has never been a way out of legal trouble, it is too easy to do a bit of research before buying anything. Granted, I would never have thought to look for a license on fish, but then, fish I have bought in the past did not have anything other than their species name and the only "creator" had a three letter name starting with G. Welcome to gene play!

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    Me too Me too[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 12:14:42 PM PDT

    "And as far as "unseen", etc... ignorance has never been a way out of legal trouble, it is too easy to do a bit of research before buying anything. " . So, I think I will put up a page, some place real deep on my personal web site that says that if you ever sell me anything -- good or service -- that you will warrant it for so long as I choose to own it, if you ever sell it for a lower price, you will refund the difference between what I paid plus 15% for my trouble, you will never solicit my business or pay a huge fine, you will refund my full purchase price whenever I choose to return the product and in whatever condition I choose to return it, and if the check I use to pay for it bounces, you have no recourse, including handing it off to any third party bureau or agency for collection -- other than to ask me nicely to make it good. Oh, and by the way, this PPSA (Private Party Sales Agreement) superseeds and replaces any policy, practice, or agreement you may instute now or in the future in any way whatsoever and cannot be negated by any action on your part whatsoever -- after all, you did not have to sell me the good/service. And, finally, I may change this PPSA in any way I choose, any time I choose, with or without notice. Too bad if you did not know about my PPSA, you are bound by it anyway. Is that what you mean by "And as far as "unseen", etc... ignorance has never been a way out of legal trouble, it is too easy to do a bit of research before buying anything. " ? If so, Kool.....

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    yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#75)
    by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:46:33 PM PDT

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    Has been going on with farmers for decades[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
    by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:00:22 PM PDT

    Its not all that diiferent then what farmers endure when they buy seed that it patent or hybird. They manufacturer sells the seed for grain production not reproduction. The farmer is required to destroy or return bushels that are not sold. They are explicity denied the right to re-plant grain grown from the seed.

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    Yet another...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
    by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 01:28:43 PM PDT

    ... example of why I have no respect for copyrights, patents, etc. etc., etc....

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    ... example of why I have no respect for copyright[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 01:01:14 PM PDT

    I guess you've never created anything intellectually worthwhile that you'd like to protect. Correctly utitylized, patents, copyrights, etc. protect the intelelctual & development effort that goes into creating something. Keep on not respecting copyrights, patents, etc. and you'll find yourself in jail or in the poorhouse.

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    Ah, too easy to violate such laws, eh?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
    by RonHack on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 02:52:39 PM PDT

    Probably why there's a call on in Congress, and probably nationwide, for copyright reform. These rules are getting way too ridiculous....and downright monopolistic.

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