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Crime and Punishment, and Copyright

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 01:46:09 AM PDT

In medieval days, a peasant could be executed for stealing a crust of bread, while the lord of the manor could abuse every peasant in sight without fear of legal retribution. Does it strike you that we seem to be reverting more and more to a similar society, one in which the punishments no longer fit the crimes?


This was the thought I couldn't shake as I read last week about Congress passing an ugly hodgepodge of "copyright protection" laws called the Family Entertainment and Copyright Act of 2005. Among other things, the law considerably lowers the standards for what constitutes criminal copyright infringement. Peer-to-peer file sharers deemed to have distributed $1,000 worth of movie or music files in a six-month period can face up to three years in prison. Just the act of camcording a movie in a theatre, rather than actually distributing it for a profit, also merits three years. And theatre owners have civil and criminal immunity for doing whatever is "reasonable" to detain any suspected infringer.

OK, copyright infringement is a bad thing, but isn't this going a little too far? In fact, our whole justice system seems to have lost its sense of proportionality. "Something is seriously out of whack," a legal scholar I know wrote recently. "Just the other day, there was a federal court judge that caviled against being required under federal mandatory sentencing guidelines to sentence a man convicted of pot possession to 55 years. Now there actually are mandatory minimums in connection with criminal conviction for copyright infringement. How will such provisions compare to those for bank robbery, assault or other violent crime? What is minimum for a 15-year-old file sharer -- or parent of same under the MPAA and RIAA quested laws -- compared to that of an Enron executive guilty of securities and other frauds that helped wipe out the retirement funds of so many?"

After all, the music and movie industry moguls who spend so much time and money getting Congress to do their bidding are not without sins of their own. Just as an example, last month Time Warner -- a corporation with a foot in both industries -- agreed to pay a $300 million fine to the SEC to settle civil fraud charges. It had earlier paid $210 million to get the DoJ to go away on criminal fraud charges involving some of the same accounting shenanigans. Time Warner just had to pay this chump change rather admit guilt, in spite of the fact that, as one SEC officer noted, some "of the misconduct occurred while the ink of a prior Commission cease-and-desist order was barely dry." Oh, by the way, the Time Warner CFO, Controller, and Deputy Controller also agreed to never do such nasty things again. But apparently they don't face jail time, or even fines, and they're still working for Time Warner.

So it's possible some of the same Time Warner officials who have been caught once or twice robbing investors in the past could be doing so again even as we speak. Of course, last week they may have been too busy passing out rewards to their minions on Capital Hill, or perhaps they were involved in all those lawsuits the MPAA and RIAA were filing to harass the researchers developing the Internet2.

Even if we were to believe the exaggerated estimates the various copyright industries put forth for how much they lose to piracy each year, is it as much as the Enrons, Worldcoms, Adelphias, etc. cost us the economy? Notice also that while Congress is mandating increasingly severe punishments for the copyright equivalent of petty theft, it can't be bothered to do anything serious about crimes like identity theft that are costing millions of citizens billions of dollars. With powerful lobbying from the RIAA and MPAA, federal law enforcement agencies have no problem getting funding for enforcement of copyright crimes, but individuals who've had their bank accounts cleared out by a clever phishing scam have nowhere to turn.

If left up to our political leaders, one wonders how long it will be before having file-sharing software on your computer will be a capital offense. "When the MPAA and RIAA are allowed to manipulate the law into substituting elephant guns for flyswatters, how can their be any respect for their legitimate rights, for intellectual property, or the legal process in general?" writes my legal scholar friend. Let's punish criminals, but let's punish them in proportion to the harm their activities do us all, not just the perceived interests of a few influential parties.

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Very Astutely Put[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by auctionhugh on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 08:49:44 AM PDT

I can't understand why you seem to be the lone voice of reason in this debate, Ed. Thanks for using your soap box to speak some reason out in to the cyber-air.

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Ed's not the only voice of reason[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:03:07 PM PDT

There's a bunch more over at Copyfight.

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Crime, Punishment and Revolution.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 11:41:57 AM PDT

BRAVO!! BRAVO!!! Author, Author! If we could all stand up and give a standing ovation, maybe those legal eagles will take note that the needs of the many far outweigh the needs of the few or the one (thank you Mr. Spock!) Unfortunately, this is reality and those with the big bucks can hide behind the barrier of legalese dung they could afford to create. This has always been the case throughout history. History will inevitably repeat itself again. It will only be a matter of time before the asinine laws created by the few will create an incident whereby riots, civil wars and anarchy will break out and the people will once again take back what was taken away from them - their freedom. How do you spell change? R-E-V-O-L-U-C-I-O-N!!!!

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Actually...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:05:01 PM PDT

...you spell it "revoluTion". :)

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Revolucion[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:51:15 AM PDT

>...you spell it "revoluTion". :)
Only if you're not mimicking Che Guevera.

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Revolucion[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 12:37:53 PM PDT

Not Che Guevarra, Fidel Castro...

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Great Article[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by srynas on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 01:08:43 PM PDT

My thoughts too.

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Don't get me started[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 01:14:06 PM PDT

I agree, the big corporations and those who have the money seem to slide through the loop holes because they have greased so many different palms. You and I are not only victims, but we will soon be victims and perp's, all rolled into one. Before you know it, When you report an identity fraud to the credit card company, they will turn around and say that it is your fault, send the case to the FBI and say it is your fault because you didn't protect your own information with a special program they set up and charge $50.00 a month for. Therefore the loss of you personal information to fraud was ultimately your fault because you had the opportunity to protect your information and you didn't. Hence, you do not receive your money back and we are going to press charges against you for STEALING YOUR OWN MONEY by not doing everything in your power to protect yourself. Which after all the fees are leveled, and court costs are filed, you end up paying out of your pocket the money taken from you in fraud including money the government is taking from you in fines and fees, bringing your grand total to triple the amount STOLEN from your bank and your life in the first place. You can't afford to pay, so we have to throw you in prison for 20 years, at which time you can't work, your family suffers the consequences and unlike the big stars and corporations, who suffer nothing in consequences and barely have to actually serve any time and then come out on the top of the s**t pile. Returning to their star status and profile (Martha Stewart). AAAARGH! I want to build a fort and start my own town and "secede the union". I just want to be my own country!!! YEAH THAT'S THE TICKET!!! Unforetunately, then you have to start paying Tariffs and such... Let's not go down that road either!

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Yet there are people who support this stuff![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by ekuns on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:13:34 PM PDT

What never ceases to amaze me is the many people who come out of the woodwork (on slashdot and other forums) in support of these exact confused standards. Basically, the belief is that anything that is good for Big Business is good for everyone. That is what drives the whole bizarre contradiction, I think. Lots of small thefts supposedly are destroying the music industry, thus hurting business, so we need to make the punishment increasingly severe until people stop doing it. Yet the many evils that the music industry does to the artists is perfectly fine.

The rational people on both sides have lost the debate by losing the ability to define the terms of debate. The terms of debate are being framed by the music industry, the movie industry, the software industry, and in their minds all copying necessarily hurts their profits. (And that the right of first sale hurts their profits also, so should be done away with. As should "fair use" by making fair use technologically impossible and all measures around that technology illegal.)

I wonder how much damage will be done, in total, to our civil rights and other rights before this becomes so extreme that the electorate finally wakes up and replaces those we have in government.



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We'll throw the bums out...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by foxyshadis1 on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 02:07:33 AM PDT

But as The Who said, New Boss, just like the Old Boss. Unless the whole country decides to find firebrand reformers whose principles are deeper than their pockets, I'm dishearted when I consider whether anything would change. The recording industry is a lot like a feudal lord. They wave their whims at artists, consumers, distributers, reporters, and anyone else, threatening to blacklist or ignore them into submission if they don't kowtow. Every industry seems grow up to become something loathesome after a while, not just the members of the RIAA/MPAA, but these guys embrace it. Maybe that's what the slashdotters like, the exercise of raw power arbitrarily with no fear of retribution. I wonder how much long-term damage to the music industry could be done if their short-sighted vision of requiring a purchased license for every listener was ever implemented. Imagine having to buy everything on faith, never being able to hear it from someone else, or perhaps even hear about it online.

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>_<[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by foxyshadis1 on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 02:09:35 AM PDT

Meh, it reset my commenting prefs, that was supposed to be three paragraphs.

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A New Government??[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 10:06:35 PM PDT

Having been a staunch Republican for many years, I am so fed up with the shenanigans of my state legislators and the childish antics of both the Republicans and Democrats in the US Senate and House that I am thinking of pushing the Libertarians for the next general election. On the other hand, perhaps we ought to throw all the bums and freeloaders out and vote AGAINST every incumbent regardless of party. Maybe then, by acting within the law, we can get these political parties to take the electorate seriously while also putting the corrupt lobbyests in their places.

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Good idea[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 01:26:20 PM PDT

You may not be able to get everyone to vote for a specific candidate, but the idea of voting out ALL hte incumbents is a great one. New term limts, 1 Term only. Get back to being a part time job rather than a lifetime career in Congress...

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Reply from a published author[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by eljefe99 on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 10:21:38 AM PDT

We've been having a similar discussion on Delphiforums' Main Street USA, hosted by an author of romance novels. I sent her this colum. Here is her reply: I agree that the sentences mentioned far outweigh the crimes. Of course, I'm not in the victim's position either. As a published author though, I can give you sort of an insider view from the victim's perspective. I write a book. That's my job. The number of copies sold depends not only on how much I earn from my efforts, it also affects my ability to sell another book and in part, determines how much advance money I will get for my work and what print run will be done, which determines the royalty I might subsequently earn on future efforts. Copyright theft is one reason why many authors also hold day jobs....they have bills due every month too and if they can't make a reasonable living off their writing, they basically must keep 2 jobs. This juggling act decreases the quality of work available to the consumer as well. How thorough will a writer be on research and on developing a strong plot if they have already put in an 8 hr day on a job and then try to put in a few hours on this effort while tired? Question........Would you say you were robbed, a victim of theft, if someone took your paycheck away from you? That's exactly what happens to authors, songwriters, bands, singers etc. every time someone illegally downloads music or copies someone else's work. The creator is having their paycheck taken away from them. It may not sound like much to the average person, Scott. If you can listen to a song anytime you want without buying it, where's the incentive to spend your money on that song? If that song doesn't generate enough income for the producer though, they don't have any incentive to record any more songs by that singer. They have to find people who will generate income for them. Many authors object to used book stores because authors don't earn a penny off those sales. :) The company that published Mississippi Kiss doesn't know Nila liked it enough to urge others to read it, or that others might have sought copies for themselves. They don't know you wanted to buy more of my work for her. There's no record of the book you bought because it was used. As far as the publisher is concerned. It never happened. Nila's approval is of no interest to them because they don't know she approved. Sooooooooo, if I try to sell them another book, all they have to look at is how many books they do have a record of and then they will decide by putting my work in a pile with all the other approved manuscripts at a weekly meeting and they will look at the track record...provable sales. Guess whose manuscripts get selected? Right......those with the biggest provable sell-through record. As I said, it may not be much for just one little old book, but are you aware that entire countries pirate creative works Back to your original query though. I don't think jail sentences are appropriate unless it is some kind of massive and repeated theft of creative works. Even then, I would opt more for a very large monetary fine that would provide monetary restitution to the creator for lost 'wages', than jail sentences. Most people who do it, don't have a clue the damage they inflict on the creator and usually a simple written request to notify them they are breaking the law and it is known is enough to stop it. Anything beyond that is downright stupid, IMHO. However, you can bet your last nickel if I ever walk in a used bookstore and find they are selling my book without the cover, I will promptly notify my publisher so they can file a lawsuit against that store. FYI. Rather than return unsold books, booksellers can get their money back for unsold copies by stripping the cover off the book and returning the covers only to the publisher. It's perfectly legal to sell used books with covers intact. <G> Personally speaking, I don't object to used bookstores at all because I think they are a great way to expand reader bases. If someone likes a used book, then they will look for new work and spend their limited funds on buying a new copy next time. I believe the same holds true for music lovers who hear songs on the radio and want to own that work where they can play it at their leisure. I think it's good advertising. One thing that always bothers me on forums is that others may use words I've written and copy them elsewhere. I guess it's kind of a privacy issue with me though.

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Flawed Arguments[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 12:09:25 PM PDT

This is a flawed argument... "That's exactly what happens to authors, songwriters, bands, singers etc. every time someone illegally downloads music or copies someone else's work. The creator is having their paycheck taken away from them. It may not sound like much to the average person, Scott. If you can listen to a song anytime you want without buying it, where's the incentive to spend your money on that song? If that song doesn't generate enough income for the producer though, they don't have any incentive to record any more songs by that singer. They have to find people who will generate income for them." It is the argument that everyone from Microsoft to music publishers use and it is wrong. It is assuming that every person that listens/uses/reads an illegal/used copy of something would have purchased said copy if there were no other avenue. This is patently false and to try and claim this is misleading and ludicrous. I could claim that sharing actually INCREASES revenue as a form of free advertising and be easily as correct if not more so. Also the this argument is flawed as well: "Many authors object to used book stores because authors don't earn a penny off those sales. :) The company that published Mississippi Kiss doesn't know Nila liked it enough to urge others to read it, or that others might have sought copies for themselves. They don't know you wanted to buy more of my work for her. There's no record of the book you bought because it was used. As far as the publisher is concerned. It never happened. Nila's approval is of no interest to them because they don't know she approved. Sooooooooo, if I try to sell them another book, all they have to look at is how many books they do have a record of and then they will decide by putting my work in a pile with all the other approved manuscripts at a weekly meeting and they will look at the track record...provable sales. Guess whose manuscripts get selected? Right......those with the biggest provable sell-through record" If all books are treated equally and equally available through used book stores and libraries and friend to friend then it is an equal playing field. An equal % of sales and revenue is "lost", therefore the proportion of sales is relatively correct. A decision based on this will be the same regardless of lost sales due to the above because EVERY book will suffer the same. The last bit is what I agree with! "... I don't object to used bookstores at all because I think they are a great way to expand reader bases. If someone likes a used book, then they will look for new work and spend their limited funds on buying a new copy next time. I believe the same holds true for music lovers who hear songs on the radio and want to own that work where they can play it at their leisure. I think it's good advertising."

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Paperback book without covers[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 12:33:32 PM PDT

In the world of publishing, a used paperback book that has a cover has been credited to the author with respect to sales and royalties. Books without covers may or may not have been credited to the author. A bookstore or distributor can return the cover of a paperback as a sign that the book was unsold and then rest of it destroyed. However, some entities sell the coverless books in bulk to others as used books.

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From Crimes & punishment to books w/o Covers[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 12:50:20 PM PDT

Interesting digressions.

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re: Reply from a published author[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 12:40:04 PM PDT

Golly this discussion brings up things that just make one boil... The whole business of 'used' vs. first sale, gosh, authors/composers/other copyright holders, how would you reply if you went to buy a used from your neighbor and had to pay a $300 royalty back to GM or whoever made the thing 10 years ago? Those arguing for royalties on subsequent sales fail to look at the big picture, IMHO. Then the whole special interest legislation thing - as I often comment over on Slashdot, we arrogant Americans continue to be amazed that the rest of the world hates us so because...why? Where else in the world are corporate entities rights looked after so carefully while ordinary folks' rights are continually trampled upon? I'm no die-hard revolutionary but, let's face it folks, we have a serious problem way deep in the core of our societal values and behavior. People in other countries joke that if there is something you don't like in America, you can just go buy a rep in Congress to change it. Sadly, I'm starting to think they might be right. C

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Viva el Capitalismo![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 12:56:32 PM PDT

Isn't capitalism wonderful? Just about everything in this country is for sale, you may even find it on e-bay! The only catch is you need lots of it to get your way!

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Capitalism Lost[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by srynas on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 05:31:13 AM PDT

Capitalism has been currupted. It is no longer about risking your investment capital to market a product. It is now about guaranteeing a perpetual revenue stream (profit} through legal constructs.

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Used items are none of the author's business[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 07:43:06 AM PDT

This is the same issue as selling a used car. Does Toyota whine "I'm not making a penny off this sale! You're discouraging someone from buying a new Toyota!" if I sell my car? No. I bought that car, fair and square. After I have paid off the loan, it's my property to do with as I see fit.

Selling a used book, CD, DVD, etc. is no different. As long as you transfer the item to the new owner and do not retain a copy for yourself, the author/publisher has no excuse to complain (but they probably will, anyway...).

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Copyright sensibility[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 01:53:16 PM PDT

Here, here, Ed! (or is that "hear, hear?") In any case, yours seems to be one of few voices with a semblance of sanity. I also note that while the media conglomerates aggressively shill and pursue any potential for copyright abuse, they have, through technical means, gutted the concept of "fair use". DRM and the copy inhibit technologies are denying valid personal uses of copyrighted material, and even discussing circumventing these mechanisms is now considered felonious behavior. I guess we get the government we can afford, and until someone with the means steps up to counter the powerful entertainment lobby, we can look forward to more of the same. Now bend over that log and squeal like a pig for me....

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Maybe these laws aren't totally a bad thing[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:43:08 PM PDT

There may be a bright side to all of these laws that continue to lower the threshold for who becomes a lawbreaker. All of these laws may induce the law of unintended consequences. Just as during the 70's, when the nation thought that all energy woes could be solved by conserving and that the 55 MPH speed limit was *the* answer to reducing the energy crisis, the passage of the 55 MPH speed limit did not turn everyone overnight into a safe, energy-conserving, slow driver -- rather the unintended consequence was that it turned a majority of Americans into lawbreakers, to the point of inspiring an industry of radar detectors, CB radios, and even folk songs glorifying exceeding the legal speed limit.

Same thing is likely to apply to these new copyright laws. Rather than having the intended effect of making people stop copying a single DVD or other work, it is going to make more people "criminals". Then, when everyone is a "criminal", who is going to decide who to go after? In addition, when people see a random sampling of folks being made an example of for the same behaviors they are practicing, there will be a groundswell of resentment against the actions being enforced. The good news is, that with large enough ground swells, politicians *do* lose their jobs.

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I think that's the likely outcome[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by trashpicker on Thu May 12, 2005 at 01:44:04 PM PDT

I agree that is the likely outcome. Already virtually everyone I know that owns and uses their computer regularly is a 'criminal' by these standards and I field questions from potential criminals every day such as "where do people download music for free?"

Unfortunately for the RIAA, MPAA and the politicians in their pockets, ya just can't imprison everyone.

And let's not forget, there are plenty of ways to make p2p pay, but these options will require that the RIAA/MPAA relinquish a degree of control that they've enjoyed for a while now.

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