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Parago Rebate Gripes Keep on Coming

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Fri Apr 22, 2005 at 12:10:20 AM PDT

I first noted three years ago that a suspiciously large percentage of the rebate gripes I was getting involve rebate fulfillment house Parago and its RebatesHQ.com subsidiary. Just in case you're wondering, things haven't gotten any better in that respect.


One reader experienced what he thought was a particularly fishy coincidence recently. "My father and I each bought Seagate hard drives at Fry's back in early December," wrote the reader. "Since the mailing address for the rebate offer was to a facility belonging to Parago, we even photocopied our postmarked envelopes after using the Pitney-Bowes meter. I had a previous bad rebate experience with Parago when they repeatedly denied my BellSouth rebates for ever-changing phony reasons, so I knew we had to be sure to have everything copied and perfectly in order."

When the rebates checks for the Seagate offer had not arrived or shown up on the RebatesHQ tracking pages by March, the reader's father called first. "He was told that his submission was invalid. He asked why, mentioning he had photocopied proof that all was perfect, and the woman would not say. She simply said, 'I've validated it; you should be receiving your rebate within four to six months.' So I then called and inquired about mine. It too had been invalidated. I asked why and told her I had photocopies of everything and could prove it was valid. She said she could not say why it was invalidated, but that she was validating it, and that I would receive my rebate in four to six months."

The reader found it odd that he and his father should have such identical treatment of their rebates. "I asked how it could be invalid and suddenly be validated because I questioned it and mentioned I had photocopies of everything?" the reader wrote. "She refused to say. I asked if she worked for Parago, and she said, 'I represent Seagate.' I told her that wasn't what I asked, and then she did acknowledge working for Parago. Based on my previous experiences with Parago, and what I've read on the FatWallet and Anandtech forums, I think they're simply invalidating every submission that isn't followed up on. If it's going thru Parago, odds are very good it will fraudulently be invalidated unless and until you complain."

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CompUSA[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 08:51:14 AM PDT

Interesting since I had the EXACT same experience with a CompUSA rebate for $50 on Family Tree Maker. Got the card saying my rebate was invalid and then when I called and said I have copies of all of the paperwork in front of me, tehy validated my rebate.

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Parago[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 07:32:48 AM PDT

The rebates I've submitted to them in the past year all have required follow-up.  Others have been slow but eventually arrived.  Staples was the quickest -- 4 weeks, no hassle.

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Parago[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#53)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 11:02:43 PM PDT

Parago simply lies and deceives the public. Its not about buying things people can't afford. Rather, it is about companies making promises as part of a sale that they never intend to honor. Many comparisons have been made here to Enron and the analogy is not far from wrong. In my case, I happened to pay cash/check for my purchases, so the "factory rebate" is only an added bonus. However, because of companies like Parago, I will refrain from ever purchasing anything offered with a factory rebate. By the way, if you want to contact the Parago CEO at his home address, you can look at the Dallas Central Appraisal District website (www.dcad.org) and look up his name. Maybe if he gets enough complaints he'll listen.

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BBB contact info[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 19, 2005 at 09:05:28 PM PDT

Here's the Parago better biz bureau info.  You can complain directly to the CFO of Parago.  I'm calling tomorrow.  Also the company directory lets you get straight to the CEO.  His name is Ken Johnsen.

http://www.dallas.bbb.org/commonreport.html?compid=50000606&code=

My situation?  Been about 20 weeks since I submitted my rebate for a hitachi drive bought at CompUSA. It wasn't in their database until August when I called and complained about it.  How typical.  Then they said I'd get my rebate in 6 weeks.  That was 10.5 weeks ago.  These bastards are the worst.

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I am the devil[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#37)
by Anonymous User on Sat Mar 11, 2006 at 02:50:16 PM PDT

The devil has a point...people are freaking over $10. The devil misses the point: the way ex-Enron MBAs get to be multi-millionaires is to defraud multi-millions of us out of $10 each. I presonally don't know how to stop this rot...obviously posting doesn't do it. I wonder what Eliot Spitzer's gonna do after finishes with the payola t-radeo corrupt-o's? Hey, Eliot, I'm not appealing my rebate denials anymore, I'm jsut going to send you my copies.... dnp

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copy of my complaint to BBB[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by Anonymous User on Sat Mar 11, 2006 at 03:28:55 PM PDT

My personal experience with Parago and it's numerous DBA's is that approximately 50% of my rebates submitted for processing are erroneously rejected. When I complain, and point out that I have copies showing the rebate was valid and complete, the rebates are typically processed. Even for rebates that are not rejected processing typically has take 3 months or more. This leads me to conclude that Parago fraudulently rejects valid rebates for the purpose of: a) keeping the customer's money longer, and, more importantly, b) keeping the customer's money permanently when the customer is too busy to appeal, fails to keep copies, forgets about the rebate, or for other reasons does not follow up. Both these practices increase profits in a way that emulates Enron, making me feel, as a Californian, exceptionally loved, although I know Texans might put it differently. Lastly, while the practice of delaying rebate processing is perhaps legal, it, how shall I say it, has the appearance of not quite meeting the standard of business ethics implied in the Bible. "Do not keeps a man's wages overnight" comes to mind as an example. Thank you for your kind consideration.

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Class Action?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 09:18:25 AM PDT

So why hasn't some opportunistic lawyer attempted a class action against Parago. It would seem an ad in various newspapers askng for people that have had their legitimate rebates "invalidated" for no reason would turn up thousands of clients and I would thing the discovery process would be very interesting and probably blantent enough to get a nice punitive award out of it (perhaps even criminal charges for fraud). Drag in Seagate and other deep-pocket clients of Parago and you would have some companies thinking twice about who they hire to do their rebate processing. If nothing else, they might get some negative mainstream press.

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Parago Rebate Gripes Keep on Coming[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 11:55:57 AM PDT

Hello,
Why not tell the pimp (i.e the store that sold you the rebated product) that you resent their pimping for frauds?
Why not tell the pimp that you resent their continuing to pimp for frauds?
Why not tell them to instant rebate you at the register? and you agree to sign over the rebate check when the store receives it.
You need to send a message to the pimp -- do not participate in the fraud.

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Yeah, me too![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by TheBigCheese on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 12:20:17 PM PDT

As with others, this has happened to me several times. Excuses include failure to include UPC, date not valid, receipt not valid, didn't buy from authorized dealer, and total non-receipt of materials. I now make copies of everything and first staple UPC to the rebate coupon and photocopy it showing the staples so it's obvious that they could not have missed the UPC. Most times, after a call or two they agree as a "courtesy" to validate me but in some cases, this never sresluts in a check being received! In one case, they just promnised that I would receive it in another 4-6 weeks and eventually told me the offer expired and they couldn't cut a check. I called the manufacturer and after pulling a lot of teeth, they said they would mail a company check. Guess what? I got a check from Parago! Almost everything I was told was a lie and was later contradicted. There needs to be stronger penalties for this -- a class action suit will just enrich lawyers as settlement has usually been a worthless coupon, not cash.

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Rebates are a Scam[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 01:47:02 PM PDT

04262005 1539 GMT-6 You know its odd how many companies use this rebate service. So many products from so many different locations have these rebates and you cant hardly collect on any of them. The only rebate that has ever been 100% right on is the one I got from Gateway Computers for a rebate on a monitor - and that was a instant rebate. You cant hardly see a product listed for its actual purchase price. "Buy this monitor for $299 ****super small print with a $599 rebate = $899 + tax and S&H" But you'll never get that $599 rebate! You'll struggle for months just to get it - if ever. If a place cant give a rebate on the spot, its not worth it.

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Mail Fraud[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 02:08:25 PM PDT

Download a mail fraud complaint form from the USPS website. Fill it out and attach copies of everything. Works especially well if you have had multiple instances of the fraud from the same place. In my experience it usually gets results, may take a little while, but doesn't enrich a bunch of lawyers in the process.

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Postal fraud? Get the feds involved.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 05:51:44 PM PDT

I think this is the way to go, unless someone wants to go the class action route and make money for lawyers. I used to date someone who worked her way up the ranks to postal inspector, she was pretty impressed with them. The post office doesn't put up with fraud, if they did I suspect congressional hearings and backlash would put their monopoly at risk. I bet they take all your documentation, show it to Seagate to get paid, then mark your rebate as invalid until you call. They could be making a _lot_ of of money that way. I suspect several postal inspectors have also had rebates get invalidated/lost/denied so you won't have to explain the problem to them!

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Why not enrich society and yourself?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Anonymous User on Thu May 11, 2006 at 01:14:11 PM PDT

Talk about a client who doesn't care if he gets $5.33 or $533 back. Lawyers are good at, or should be good at, what they do (i.e., getting a return), and should get paid accordingly. In accordance with their worth, their clients' enrichment rises equally. So, if you're seeking a lower payout, go ahead and use government resources to "fix" the problem, though remember your desire to get bad press for the company while gaining a nominal return for yourself is certain not to follow. Again, why not enrich yourself (with a better payout), society (with information and better goods), and lawyers (one of whom you could become)? I fail to see a good leg for the second-tier payout scheme you've got going. Interested in your thoughtful post.

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Fraud, continued...........[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 03:58:45 PM PDT

If it smells like fraud and acts like fraud, it probably is fraud! I've submitted probably over 1000 rebates over the last several years and have plenty of stories to tell and lots of documentation to back it up. I don't like the way these companies jerk consumers around when they submit legitimate rebate requests when many consumers don't even send in the rebate at all. It's like eating your piece of cake and taking the dessert on the plate next to you as well! I have gone thru the "since you're such a good customer, I'll extend a one-time courtesy and validate the rebate" many times, but as long as they make it easy, I still bite. I like a lower price like anyone else, but I have avoided some rebates and spent $5-10 more just to save me from the hassle. I consider Parago to be easier to deal with than TCA, CPG or The Express Group as they have longer hours, answer calls much more quickly and I have gotten every rebate for which I was qualified. I can't say that about the others! Three things I would like to point out: 1) The retail store that put on the promotion isn't much help in resolving the rebate. Some were better in the past, but they just now pass the buck! 2) Avoid rebate centers you've never heard about. They are always understaffed and overwhelmed by the promotion response. They also lose rebates more often. I only now send to those rebate centers I can trust to fulfill the rebate. 3) Avoid rebate terms that are confusing and make you jump thru hoops to fulfill the rebate contract. I send my message by returning the product if I can't find out the terms until after the sale and tell the store why!

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FTC action against CompUSA[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:40:25 PM PDT

From this point on, if I have repeated difficulties, I'm going straight to the store manager.  I think the CompUSA settlement opened a lot of eyes and will make getting them easier.  I believe a lot of these rebate houses engage in outright fraud.  

I briefly worked in IT in a call center, which I believe is likely similar to a rebate fulfillment house, and it had the most unethical management of any place I've ever worked.  I started to loathe myself for working there, and I was gone after a few months without a job in a crappy economy.  Everything was stolen, all the software.  Management would flat-out lie to potential and current customers about our infrastructure, security, and so on.  And we had some BIG customers.  Think of major banks, major retailers, and you'll likely name three or four of our customers.  Household names, no joke.

Working there opened my eyes to the whole outsourcing of these business processes.  I think fraud and illegal behavior in places that handle outsourcing is more the standard than any exception.  I may be wrong, but the fact we had such high-profile clients makes me believe the industry likely can be painted with a broad brush.  To call the "due diligence" the heavyweight financial institutions did with us a joke would be to give it too much due.  It was clearly designed to get our bottom-dollar shop approved as a vendor, not to really know what was occurring.  See no evil, hear no evil, and get somebody else's signature to CYA.  I'm sure the execs who picked us got huge bonuses for saving their financial institutions money.  If you really knew who's handling your financial data, it would scare the hell out of you.

So yeah, I think many rebate denials are plain and simple fraud.  

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Reply to FTC Action against CompUSA...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 05:55:39 PM PDT

I didn't mention this in my "smells like fraud" post, but CompUSA rebates have improved greatly in the past 2 months. I have noticed a significant reduction in the time it takes to get a CompUSA-sponsored rebate since the settlement. I even received a call from CompUSA corporate regarding a case I had with 321 Studios and an outstanding $30 rebate from May 2004. Yes, they called me to tell me that they would be sending out my rebate check. This occured probably @4 weeks after the settlement and after 6 months of "our Legal Dept is looking into this" excuses. It's amazing how quickly companies comply when the law is on your side!

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comp USA[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Sat Aug 06, 2005 at 06:22:15 PM PDT

did you say you filed an action against COMP USA for rebate denials?

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It's all fraud[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:48:34 PM PDT

What about the fact that rebates permit retailers to advertise at a price that they actually are not selling at and that a good amount of people will not submit for the rebate in the first place? It seems that retailers, manufacturers and rebate companies are complicit in all this because they expect this to happen. They take advantage of human nature (not only in people who never send in for rebates but also for those who do and never follow up as well as those who give up when they are told their submission is invalid). I avoid as much as possible products sold with rebates as well as retailer who use them rather than countenance their behavior.

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Missing the bigger picture[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by jonkoerner on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 06:56:48 PM PDT

It's easy to not notice the swamp when you're up to your arse in alligators, and I think that's what most of these comments reflect.  

The very concept of rebates ought to be illegal:  It is a dishonest, psychological marketing scheme which makes people believe they are getting a bargain, when in fact what they are getting is this:

A desired good at market-value price PLUS the required immediate payment of an interest-free, 3-6 month loan to monied interests. The loan which consumer makes to vendor has low probability of ever being repaid unless consumer carefully follows all fine-print instructions for obtaining repayment, and often requires the lender (consumer) to undertake extensive debt-collection efforts.  

If banks made loans to consumers in the same way that consumers make these loans to the banks, the banks would quickly be out-of-business, of course.  

But consumers often have little choice.  Goods are now advertised at "regular" prices which are in fact above market value (about the rebate $ value above true market value). So, in order to purchase at true market value price, consumer must agree to pay inflated price (i.e., make the loan) at purchase time.  

When banks make loans to consumers, of course they charge interest on your use of their money, at rates usually in the 8-24%/year range.  But you lend your money to the rebaters for free, thus losing the use of your money for the 3-6 months, and thus losing the 8-24% you should be earning on it.  Or, to look at the flip side, the banks are using your money for free, and "earning" an additional 8-24% profit on its use, for free! What a deal!  It is a huge golden cash cow, the biggest scam of the 20th century.

Now, add to this all the time spent by individuals painstakingly preparing rebate submissions, reading the fine print, photocopying proofs of submission, tracking when checks are due, following up with phone calls, etc.  It's a huge waste of human time and energy which could be put to (much-needed) more productive uses for our country and economy.  

And add to that the huge $ amount of unsubmitted rebates, and submitted-but-not-received rebates, the amount that consumers pay above the "real" market price of goods - this is money which fattens the pockets of banks and money men instead of going back to consumers who would spend it and recirculate it into economy.  

In "normal" times (e.g. 1940 to 1980), it was government's job to protect "the people" from such criminal robbery.  Rather than talking about filing individual FTC complaints, or even class-action lawsuits, we should be talking about congressional lawmaking to prevent this scam.  

But it is not normal times.  Instead of protecting consumers, our current government is protecting the banks -- e.g., the recent "reform" of personal bankruptcy laws, which make it almost impossible for laid-off or medically-bankrupted consumers to escape from usurious credit card debt.  

The rebaters are lying to you and stealing your money -- but how can you ask the government for help when the rebaters are only doing exactly what the government is doing -- think stolen elections and weapons of mass destruction and fictitious Osama-Saddam links.  The criminal fraud of rebates has become "normal", so not much chance of seeing the swamp from here, buds... best get back to swatting those alligators.  
Jon Koerner, Ph.D.
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Let's grow up.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 05:11:08 AM PDT

Yeah, its really a scandal that banks force people to buy things they can't afford on credit, and then expect them to pay for them. I've been through a bankruptcy, and guess what? IT WAS MY FAULT. I lived above my means, so that when hard times hit, I couldn't pay my credit card bills. I really don't understand why people think they have the right to buy a bunch of stuff and not pay for it. How is that any different from what you say the government and business is doing? Government is not some free service that will play mommy and daddy for you. How much to you suppose it would cost for some government entity to get you $10 rebate for you? Who do you think pays for that? Here's an idea. If the before rebate price is not acceptable, don't buy the item. Shop around. Find a merchant who will bargain with you. In short, act like a grown-up consumer.

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Rebate ripoffs[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 06:58:21 PM PDT

I had three recent rebate bad experiences, and only one turned out OK.

ReplayTV denied a rebate of $200, because my "billing address" didn't match my rebate address. When I phoned and pointed out that a "billing address" had nothing to do with my purchase of their product from Amazon, and wasn't mentioned in their rebate rules, they validated the rebate. But I continued to receive postcards telling me my rebate was rejected, even after I got the check!

Fry's has risen to #1 on my "don't buy anything that involves a rebate" list. I submitted a "Fry's Rebate" -- printed on their own Fry's form -- and got a reply that no rebate was available for the product. The denial message cited the exact model number that was on the original Fry's rebate form, claiming there was no such rebate! I lost $20 and Fry's lost most of my business.

The other thing to be wary of is Fry's selling old products. I bought a "new" Netgear WiFi router -- a current model, but the Fry's version had pre-1.0 firmware that didn't fully comply with 802.11g specs! In fact, the firmware date was so much earlier than the copyright date of the product box that I suspected it had been reboxed. Rather than spend hours downloading and applying several flash ROM upgrades with unpredictable results, I took it back. The clerk was honest enough to admit that lots of them came back for the same reason. Did Fry's buy a truckload of obsolete gear that Netgear dumped? My experience is that when Fry's puts something on sale, there's a hidden reason.

HP has had its last chance to rip me off. I bought an all-in-one printer, got the rebate "pre-approved" at HP.com, printed out and submitted the provided pre-approval, which showed the printer, model, and even a bar code to presumably speed-up the rebate processing, along with the full product label/model/serial number/barcode from the box. But the denial claimed HP couldn't identify the model number of the product! They pre-approved the model number, they printed it out on a form, they printed it on the box label which I sent in, yet when it came to sending me $50 they couldn't recognize their own product!

There are other reasons to avoid Best Buy and CompUSA -- mainly their return policies and restocking fees -- but their reliance on unreliable rebates pushed me out the door last year.

Do these companies have a clue that a trusted brand name is built on repeated quality performances, not one-time rip-offs?

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Fry's not unique or probably the cause[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Mon May 02, 2005 at 09:52:53 AM PDT

I've encountered out-of-date versions of NICs too at many stores not just Fry's, e.g. at CompUSA and from vendors such as Belkins.  The products were older board versions than the box date, let alone software.  Plus some were older firmware versions than indicated on the box, and 1 was even the wrong product in the sealed box.

Clearly a case of returned product being re-shipped to the market with a price inducement through rebate to move them quickly.  Many readers may not realise that many vendors will reship returned product mostly untested if it hasn't reached the consumer 1st tiem around.  It's considered new - an reboxed if necessary to make it look so - if it hasn't been installed.  This happens all the time when distributors return unsold stock - often many months/years later.  And no vendor will really resist a return request from a big distributor - for obvious reasons.

It's typically treated under 1 of 2 (marginal) justifications.  It's not been in the hands of a consumer (a la "recycled" paper products that never left the paper mill), although in many cases it has been used by the distributor (they never need to buy computer hardware, just use and return).  Or if it has reached the consumer but it's not been in their hands for more than 30 days, then it's still new (aka the "5 secound rule for a cookie dropped on the floor").  Problem with this approach is it doesn't take into account that the product may have been sitting waiting for a sale for months/years.

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Rebates on old items[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by LasVegan on Wed May 04, 2005 at 08:54:35 AM PDT

Yes, it's quite common to find the rebates are on something that's not the latest and greatest. They're trying to move old inventory. Just keep that in mind when deciding if it's worth it. There have been times I've looked at a rebate item in the store and passed it over for this very reason.

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Rebate[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 09:14:08 AM PDT

Yeah, my complaint is with HP...not getting 2 rebates from their rebate center in Mesa, AZ. I'll not buy again from BEST BUY or anything Hewlett Packard...or for that matter, anything with a rebate

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Rebates: Company Did the Right Thing[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 07:18:12 PM PDT

The Comp USAs of the world should take a lesson in putting customers first from Kragen's Auto Parts. For many years Kragen has had a mail-in rebate program that ties in with their weekly advertisment flyer. I have used the Kragen rebates (for cases of oil, etc.) for years without any problem. Recently Kragens corporate management realised that mail-in rebates discourage some customers and are just a bother and extra expense. So, now the rebated are given at the cash register at the time of purchase. This is a great win for customers who now get their refund at the time of purchase and do not have to deal with mailing in forms, cutting out a proof of purchase, wasting a stamp, etc. Kragen wins with improved customer satifaction, more return business, and elimates the expensive rebate processing center. Regards, Robert Otwell Sunnyvale, CA

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by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:43:25 PM PDT

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Wow[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 05:14:03 AM PDT

I thought I was the only one. I struggled for months with these people to get a substantial rebate on my Canon Video Camera. Went through the same process of denial/resubmission, etc. for what seemed like very trivial reasons (one of the reasons given: our household had already *received* a rebate that month. Never mind that it was for an unrelated product, and it was for $10, not $500). Unbelievable.

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And more of the same[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by AndyInNYC on Thu Apr 28, 2005 at 07:40:13 AM PDT

I purchased an iRiver mp3 player with a $20 rebate (the form was available on most retailer's websites). I sent in all the info (to Parago), scanned my copies and waited. The rebate info never even showed up on their system - no rejection, no trail - it just fell off into a hole somewhere. So I followed up - sent copies via mail, fax, email multiple times. Each time - "nope, no record". Finally it turns out that the rebate form has a promo number from an earlier rebate of the same item and they had been throwing out all my submissions because the rebate was closed; note, however that the purchase periods were for my current timeframe. All I got from Parago was 'too bad'. I've sent all the materials to iRiver; if they don't quickly make it right I'll just file a claim in Small Claims Court. Really annoying.

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Another Reason For "Invalid" Rebates[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 01:10:28 AM PDT

There is another reason that explains why a valid submission is rejected. A lot of these rebate fulfillment houses offer the store, manufacturer, etc. an incentive for using them. They tell their client that they will not only handle the entire rebate promotion, they guarantee that the redemption rate will not be over a certain percentage. For example, they might guarantee that only 10% of customers who purchase a monitor will actually send in the rebate. They agree to reimburse the client for all responses that exceed the promised redemption rate. Their customers like this because it reduces risk. They know exactly how much a promotion will cost them.

The rebate house clearly does not have your interest at heart. Your rebate might come out of the rebate houses pocket, not the manufacturer or retailers pocket. Obviously they try to increase their profit margin by invalidating valid submissions.

The rebate fullfillment houses are not going to be responsive to your complaints. I would put heat on the manufacturer or retailer to halt these dishonest practices.



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Parago should go down[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Pintobean on Thu May 19, 2005 at 11:55:45 AM PDT

I've had problems with Parago recently as well. They tried to pull a fast one on my be telling me to fax a resubmission after my rebate was "lost" in the mail. I faxed it, but three weeks later when nothing showed up in their database, I was told to fax it to a different number. When I called about it the CSR claimed that the fax number I sent my resubmission to was incorrect--a blatant lie, since that number shows up all over the place as belonging to Parago. I refused to spend money on another fax, and after I said the magic words (I would like to speak to your manager), suddenly they took a phone submission and validated my claim--even giving me a tracking number over the phone. Pulling teeth? Yes. Worth it? Not for $10. I'll think twice before purchasing a Netgear product based on the after-rebate price.
--Pintobean
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InfoWorld: The case of the missing COA[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by DKWagner on Sun May 22, 2005 at 09:02:03 AM PDT

ITZ20050523MO@040030;Z18.0^SU@1200PM; RE: Rebates & Certificates of Authentication Hello Ed Foster's Gripe Line: For years we have 'griped' about companies like Parago. Did I read the article correctly, they said "...receive the rebate in 4 to 6 months"? Let's see, discounted cash flow, inflation, etc. - guess who benefits from the interest free loan against your cash assets. The consumer is funding the advertising cost of the product and the rebate adverts too! Rebates are now supporting poor products and overly priced products. Many of these software products are like handguns sold to protect us from electronic thieves, but no guarantee is made that we won't be robbed or the thief will be shot, after all, some of us are not good marksmen. So when it is all said and done, who are the real thieves? I am now waging my own little campaign against all forms of rebates because of the same issues about which everyone else has already written. 1. I am tired of over-paying State Sales & Use Tax (SUTAuthority) based on the retail price before the rebate. 2. I am tired of working for an hour to properly document and 'snail-mail with Certificate of Mailing' the necessary paperwork for a rebate that returns me less than minimum wage for my time. 3. I am tired of waiting to send in the rebate because I might decide that the product is defective or will not properly install (which has been the case with McAfee, Norton and the list goes on...). 4. When I factor in all of these additional expenses and subtract them from the rebate, it becomes quickly obvious to me that $5, $10 and even $20. rebates save me nothing. 5. For years, we have used coupons at the grocery store (immediate rebates) for small amounts. Now the grocery store can track which $3. deodorant one buys. I express that point to the sales clerk and declare that I do not buy products that force me to grovel for a puny rebate or do not immediately deduct the rebate at time of purchase. 6. Rebates are advertising at its deceptive best. When anyone else or I am comparing product value and cost, the company offering the rebate that reduces the price differential gains an unfair advantage in the sales process. Rebates cause us to make ill-informed snap decisions. When in fact the product without a rebate may have offered many times the value of the puny rebate. Rebates on items costing under fifty dollars are more likely not to be applied for, or forgotten about because many buyers will not even go to the trouble to return items that cost less than $50. until the next time they are near the store again. Consequently, they often postpone until it is too late! 7. Rebates take away our freedom of choice. They contractually come between us and the retailer, confusing responsibility for product quality and return issues. The store sales volume and monthly profit margins are higher with rebates. With coupons, the store would have to track and apply for the rebate. Retailers would quickly discontinue carrying product lines if the manufacturer did not return the discount quickly and efficiently. I've been told by a reputable source that some software companies will simply ask the store to destroy the older version on their shelves which will be replaced by the new version. This reduces the number of upgrades to the new version. Sometimes they are given permission to sell the product for one or two days at a deeply discounted price (usually without license or warranty!). Only a few years ago, a retailer stood behind everything they sold, and dealt with the manufacturer on behalf of the end user. If there were too many returns or problems, the reseller simply quit carrying the product and returned unsold product in good quality for a refund minus a previously agreed upon restocking or other charge. 8. So, let us all take a stand for IMMEDIATE REBATES at the store deducted from the sales price before taxes. 9. CoA's should only be required only upon a successful installation and proper product operation and continued successful operation for a period of 30 days. 10. Immediate Rebate Store Authorizations would be verified by the clerk using the product Serial# stamped on the exterior, an IRSA# from the company via phone or internet connection from the POS terminal and a valid major debit/credit card# owned by the Purchaser. If one returns the properly ID'd product to the same store chain and per the manufacturer's policy time frame, the purchaser would receive the discounted purchase amount. If the product was a gift to someone, they could re-register the product upon activation and become the primary owner; or return and receive a refund only for the discounted purchase price. After all, the holiday season accounts for a higher percentage of big ticket sales. Regards, DonWagner@flexcomm.com
DonWagner@evectory.com
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Parago[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous User on Fri Dec 02, 2005 at 07:43:33 AM PDT

I too had a valid rebate invalidated. I question it and suddenly it was valid! Parago is a real scam!

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#198)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:52:31 PM PDT

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Parago gives out wrong email address & phone #[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous User on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 10:10:51 PM PDT

I purchased one PNY 512MB flash drive and two SD 512MB cards from Staples during the Black Friday sales. Filled out the online rebate for both items. When I checked on the PARAGO site for my rebate confirmation, the rebate was listed under a different name. The confirmation also listed that individual's personal email and phone#. The only info that was correct was my home address. Apparently Parago does not have a validated data base. Hopefully Parago did not associate/give out my CC# which I used to buy the items. I have attempted to contact them by email but have not received a responce as of DEC 14.

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PNY Rebate / Parago[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#33)
by ParagoVictim on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 01:25:37 PM PDT

I bought a PNY usb drive from CompUSA on Nov 23, 2005. That was a 6 hour Mid Night Madness sale with $20 rebate for this item. The rebate form said valid on purchase from Compusa on Nov 23 and Nov 24. However the first time Parago invalidated stating the purchase location must be from CompUSA 722 or 433. Then when I talked to CompUSA and have them communicated to PNYRebates the put in another reason "Invalid Purchase Date". I had sent all my papers twice. Still the status remains invalid. When I talked to a Supervisor (Name: Joseph, ID:457) he intently gave me an invalid fax 886-853-5931. This is busy all the time for the past 2 weeks. I even doubt that the names and IDs these guys give out are actually fradulant. May be we all have to combine into a single force and file a class-action-suit against these guys as another member suggested before.... I am still talking to these guys.... **

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Attack CompUSA[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous User on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 07:57:50 PM PDT

It's THEIR offer relied upon (to your detriment). Try 888.641.4109 for Parago. Unless this latest number has been changed, you'll get through. Try Robert, ID#2030. He seems to understand that his employer is involved in questionable practices. Nonetheless, CompUSA should be your target. After you do the BBB, FTC, Atty Gen and USPS filings against Parago, do it again with CompUSA.

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Parago Run-Around Continues[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#51)
by Coki on Mon Jun 19, 2006 at 11:49:20 AM PDT

I bought a HP Lightscribe Drive just before Christmas and sent ALL the correct/necessary submission items BY THE POSTMARK DATE and did the online form as well.  My submission was postmarked 12/26/05 and I received a reply on 01/07/06 saying that my rebate was valid and to allow 6-8 weeks for processing.  INDEED!

I inquired about the elusive rebate on 4/21/06 and received the following reply:  
Thank you for your rebate inquiry. We are pleased to inform you that check number 13767825 was sent to be printed on 04/05/06. Generally, customers receive their checks within 15 days of this date, but we must wait 30 days before we can reissue a check. If you have not received your check within 30 days of the printing date, please contact us again and we will be happy to
stop payment on the original check and issue a new one. Be sure to include your complete mailing address at that time so that we can verify it against the address we have on file.

I haven't received anything to date and have done EXACTLY as requeste above 4 or 5 times with ABSOLUTELY NO REPLY FROM PARAGO!  Furthermore, my tracking # still says that my check was sent to be printed on 4/5/06 and will arrive in 15 days!  

SOOOOO.....I did a little research on PARAGO and found your post and used the phone #.  My experience is detailed below:

I called today and spoke with Robin ID#0451 and was told their was an "issue" with the zip code (which they had correct)  She says the check will be cut "immediately" and definitely should arrive w/in the next 15 days!

She never told me why the check had not been sent previously since the info that they had on file was 100% correct!

Furthermore, she "provided" me with the Tracking # which is the same one that was "provided" by e-mail on 01/07/06 and still says that  " check number 13767825 was sent to be printed on 04/05/06. "  and should arrive within 15 days of that date.  However, when I used the automated phone system to track the rebate (twice), it said that this was not a valid tracking number.  I went throught the menu and selected the option to be transferred to a representative and received a "busy tone" and was repeatedly cut off.  I finally got through by dialing the number and pressing *#*#*#*# at the first prompt.  Funny, but after all those "busy tones" and cut-off calls, my call was answered IMMEDIATELY.

I too am waiting and have called Office Max and alerted them to my experience as well as the number of complaints online concerning PARAGO.

Thank you all for your posts and GOOD LUCK with those rebates.  I will try to remember to follow up with a post if I should actually receive a rebate.

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by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:43:32 PM PDT

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