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Looking Back at Two HP Gripes, and Carly

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 12:16:22 AM PDT

One thing I don't do nearly as often as I should is to let readers know the final outcome of some of these gripes. A good place for me to start doing a better job of that is to look at the way HP responded to two different customer situations we previously examined here, one while Carly Fiorina was still HP's boss and one in the immediate post-Carly era.


A few days before Christmas, I published the story of a father who had purchased two new Compaq laptops as presents for his daughters, only to find his family's Christmas threatened by HP reneging on a promised warranty repair. In early March, I wrote about a reader whose Compaq laptop came back from HP missing its battery cover and who was finally forced to replace it himself. Other than the fact that both had been treated poorly by HP support, the two gripes weren't all that similar, but what's happened since is where the real differences lie.

Hoping to prompt some quick action by HP, in the father's case I had included the HP case number for his support incident in the story. That's a technique that appears to have produced good results in some other gripes we've looked at recently, but there was no joy from HP at Christmas, or for a considerable time thereafter. "My wife and I fought with them up until Christmas eve, escalating to the top of the food chain and contacting everyone I know," says the father, who is a network consultant and, it so happens, an authorized HP reseller himself. "Finally we decided to return both units as both were flawed, one with the bad pixel and the other with a power issue. We didn't get the two new ones until Feb. 14th. At least we got them in time for Valentine's Day. Not bad, considering I first purchased them on Thanksgiving."

In stark contrast was the experience of the reader with the missing battery cover. All he wanted was some kind of apology for the way he was treated and a check for the $20.98 he'd spent on eBay for a replacement, and he quickly had both. "Today I got a call from an HP Case Manager who listened to my story and promised me a refund of my $20.98 if I send him a receipt for the purchase, which I just faxed to him," the reader wrote just a few days after I'd published the story. "He verbally apologized. Although he could not promise a written apology, he said HP would conduct an internal investigation. Thanks for publicizing my case."

From my own point of view, the differing ways HP responded to the two stories was quite odd. With the Christmas story, I had no official communications from HP on it at all. For the battery cover, though, I had my choice of HP representatives who volunteered to help the reader out. On the basis of how egregious the two incidents were and how much of a black eye each gave to HP, I would have expected the reverse response. And certainly reader commentary on the two stories indicates most feel the same way I do.

In fact, a good percentage of the e-mail I received about the missing battery cover seemed to come from HP employees or ex-HP employees. All were writing a month after Fiorina was fired (and before Mark Hurd was hired as CEO), and all sounded the same basic hope that things at HP are now going to change. "I'm not equipped to offer an apology for the whole company, but out of the spirit of the original HP Way, I can offer your reader my own apologies that this ever happened," wrote one HP employee. "A lot of the press has decided that HP is on its way down, or out, or both. That's a bigger challenge than I can answer by myself, but maybe by doing this small thing, I can give this customer some affirmation that the HP Way is still alive and well, if a little worse for wear. And maybe it will help assure folks that the pride HP takes in its products -- the same pride I felt when I got that first little HP name badge that I'd looked forward to all my life -- that pride is still intact. Don't give up on us, Mr. Customer; down deep, we're still a strong company built by tens of thousands of strongly-principled, customer-focused employees."

Well, I very much hope he's right. Of course, the cynic in me finds it hard to believe that HP's problems all left with Carly Fiorina, and I very much doubt they all started with her either. But, if a corporate culture counts for anything, there does seem to be at least some signs that HP may indeed regain a bit of its traditional customer focus. Of course, the only way we'll know for sure is to see the track the outcome of what customers find to gripe about next.

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It was the easier to fix[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by ClaudeTurner on Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 11:02:14 AM PDT

Of course there was more responce for the battery cover. Any HP employee who saw the article would have been able to apologize, and even send the customer $20.98 out of their own pocket if necessary. The smaller amount would have been easier to get past the bean counters as well.

Compare this to the much more expensive and precedence setting Warrenty Repair Issues. This would be a corporprate policy as to what type of repairs they will accept. And if some flunky oversteps his bounds and says HP will fix something against policy they do not want to be held responsible for what they say.

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HP service[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 12:49:25 PM PDT

A mont hago, I ordered an HP notebook expansion base from a dealer who sent it with a Spanish-language keyboard. Bad news:The dealer wouldn't/couldn't change it. Good News: HP was corteous and said they would (even though clearly not their responsibility). ----------- Good news: With 36 hr, replacement keyboard arrived no charge!!!! Bad News: The keyboard sent had the correct part # on the box, but a different keyboard inside. ----------- Good news: HP courteously and promptly sent a replacement. Bad news: The keyboard sent had the correct part # on the box, but a different keyboard inside. ----------- This was repeated with various permutations three more times. After sending back all of the unneeded parts, I finally gave up and bought something retail (as I had already wasted far more time than the wireless keyboard/mouse combo were worth. ------------ Bottom line: they may be trying harder, but it was too much to get someone to make sure that the right part was put in a box. One has to suspect that if most of the service folks were in the US (my calls seemed largely handled in India) this would have been fixable.

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Warranty Repairs[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by auctionhugh on Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 01:52:59 PM PDT

I also find it funny how inconsisent warranty work can be, not just with HP but others (read: "dell"). I know in our business we thrive by offering the very best customer service. Yes it costs time and money but we value our reputation, and in the long run it also pays off.

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Thanks for the update[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 20, 2005 at 10:10:38 AM PDT

Thanks for the update, Ed. I've purchased items from HP and have never needed to call their customer service. Maybe I've been lucky with HP but I've had problems with other consumer product companies. It seems to me that as a company gets larger, the customer service takes a major hit. HP was once considered a minor, regional player. After Carly grew the company into the current monster, everything suffered. Is that Carly's fault or just a product of a company growing too big, too fast? I now prefer to work with local shops who can provide superior customer service.

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Pleased with HP support[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by etronguru on Thu Apr 21, 2005 at 03:36:30 PM PDT

I've used HP Total Support for years with very little difficulty. I generally don't ever call them. Their email response is almost always received the next day or earlier and the technician's suggestions and URL links have worked nearly everytime on the first try. The only time I call is to get replacement parts.

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Hi[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 05:08:33 AM PDT



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The old HP way[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Fri Apr 22, 2005 at 04:54:19 AM PDT

Years ago (before the IBM pc) we purchased an HP workstation to run some stormwater modelling software that at the time was running on an IBM mainframe. As it happened, the disk storage on the unit was sufficient to run the software, but too small to store the files generated during the compilation of the software. I called HP for advice - one of their local engineers showed up that afternoon with a very (at the time) expensive disk unit for me to borrow until I got the model compiled. I hope that HP is the one returning.

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Odd post is a spammer[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by LasVegan on Sat Apr 23, 2005 at 09:51:54 AM PDT

Don't bother to look unless you can read bird tracks.

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Eh?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:11:27 PM PDT

What the devil are you two talking about? (The two comments above mine). Also, why are the comments numbered nonsequentially: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9. That is disturbing, since I try to read only the new comments by looking for the line that says, e.g., "8 comments" and finding #8 and if it's new, #7, and so on. If they're not always numbered in the expected way though I could end up missing a comment -- in this case, #9 -- which seems to mean I have to actually inspect all of the comments every time I want to catch up on any new ones. When sometimes instead of a handful of comments there are 50 or more that will be damned tedious!

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Comments[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Mason on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 11:35:40 PM PDT

There was some comment spam -- that's what the other two comments are referencing.

As for your numbering gripe, change the comment list to threaded or nested or flat, sort them in whatever manner floats your boat.  If you're a regular reader, take the time to register, and you'll see a red "[new]" in the title of each new comment since you last viewed the thread.

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by Fushigi on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 05:14:33 AM PDT

And with the red [new], I use my browser to simply search for [n to go to new postings. Very helpful in long threads where my eyes might miss a new post if I'm quickly scrolling.

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[n[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Mason on Mon May 02, 2005 at 03:02:41 PM PDT

I do the same thing.  I've got a "find in page search" field on one of my toolbars in Opera, which makes that kind of searching a piece of cake.

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What?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 09:09:03 PM PDT

I'm sorry, but I kind of like my anonymity, and at no other blogs am I asked to give it up in order to conveniently be able to locate new comments. But this one seems to make it intentionally difficult to do so without signing up for who-knows-what. I wonder why?

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Re: Registration[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by foxyshadis1 on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 01:29:22 PM PDT

Wait, what? You don't need to register to change the sort/threading settings, you just need to accept cookies. The only other display option registering gives you is the ability to show only specific categories of comments (such as editorial, or none, etc).

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Registration[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Mason on Mon May 02, 2005 at 03:03:46 PM PDT

Some people just like to complain.  Maybe Ed ought to personally deliver new comments to his door, huh?

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What do you expect?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 03, 2005 at 03:50:11 AM PDT

This is the GripeLog. It's a safe bet everyone who posts here likes to complain. ;)

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HP = pretty good service in my opinion.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 10:26:08 PM PDT

Quick note on HP service. I needed a scanner for some basic work and didn't want to pay a lot. I picked up a 4600 on Buy.com for around $30. My perfect pricepoint considering what I was using it for.
I ot he thing in 2 days, fired it up and found black bands on each scan, rendering it unusable.
I called HP Support. The guy who answered was able to figure ot the problem after 2-3 questions (makes me wonder if this isn't a chronic problem) and sent me out a replacement scanner which I recieved in 2 days. I shipped the old one back in the return carton provided (HP picked up the return shipment) and I had a brand new (not refurbished) scanner. It prolly cost them more to do this with shipping and all but I'm one happy customer, especially for a $30 scanner. I wonder why this support isn't carried out over thier higher - priced products...


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HP Support[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 06:24:06 AM PDT

I purchased an HP 9670 deskjet and it took me 3 minths to get it out of the box and set up. Only one problem, the 13 x 19 prints were being scrached. Email support? We danced around for a month with no solution. Since telephone support with many vendors is an excise in masochism, it was the last step before attempting a return to HP. The gentleman I spoke to not only held the line while I ran to the garage, unearthed the original box to locate the rear loader, walked me through various procedures (albeit a few "hold while I check on this with my supervisor") but took the few minutes to blast the INCORRECT information given by email support. HP Telephone Desk Jet Printer support - KUDOS!

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HP Support Drama[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 06:50:13 PM PDT

I bought a Pavilon notebook about 2.5 months ago from a local retail chain. Had a problem with the CD/DVD drive. Speakers make a crackling sound when playing DVDs or CDs. When playing music/movies off the HDD - no problem. Step 1: Report the problem via HP website Used the online form to submit an issue: No response after 3 days. Step 2: Call HP Call 1: After taking down all my details and explaining my problem the guy on the other end said "our network is down, a technican will call you back within an hour". No call after 3 days. Call 2: No answer after being in the queue for 30 minutes. Step 3: Go back to the retail chain Demonstrated the problem and the sales assistant who agreed it was a optical drive problem. He mentioned that the technicans cannot fix anything until HP provides a TR number. So he decided to call HP himself. The support person refused to give a TR number until we followed a whole list of procedured - uninstalling IDE drivers, exploring software settings etc... Finally after no resolution we got the TR Number. The notebook is now with the retailer, being shipped off to HP to fix. Who knows when i will get it back and if the problem will be resolved. Don't have any faith in HP at all. ps: I noticed that the actual optical drive is a TSST Corp drive (supposedly Samsung) and a OEM version at that. Why don't HP use their own optical drives in their notebooks?

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