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OptoutPrescreen.com's Privacy Policy

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 01:17:37 AM PDT

I guess we are supposed to be grateful that the major credit reporting companies are now providing a way to opt out on-line. But after my own experience using www.optoutprescreen.com, gratitude is not what I'm feeling. What I am feeling is that the whole credit reporting racket is in need of a serious overhaul.


I always used to think of junk mail as a very minor annoyance compared to telemarketing calls and even spam e-mail. While it was too bad all those trees had to die to send me such useless "pre-approved" credit offers, at least the only cost to me was having to have a recycle bin big enough to hold all of it. But as identity theft has gone from being a petty crime to an international industry, I began to realize what a huge privacy threat is represented by all those flyers in my mailbox from sleazy mortgage brokers who know just how much I owe on my house.

So when I noticed in January that, along with the 1-888-5OPTOUT phone number, you can now also "exercise your right to notify the credit card reporting agencies not to use your credit file in connection with transactions not initiated by you" online, I decided to do it. The website isn't the most elegant website I've ever seen, and I was a bit non-plused that they wanted so much information just to take me off a mailing list. But, hey, the credit reporting companies have all that information about me already, so what the heck.

Before I'd submitted my info, I had scanned the Optoutprescreen privacy policy quickly, so I knew it might be a while before the "you've been pre-qualified" junk mail stopped completely. Still, within a few weeks, it appeared like the flow of credit offers really was drying up. But then, it started up again -- and as the weeks went by, it got worse. Whereas I'd been averaging one or two financing offers a day in my mailbox, I was now getting four or five. And the pre-approved deals seemed to be coming from even less respectable financial institutions, if such a thing is possible.

What had gone wrong? I went back and studied the OptoutPrescreen.com website again. Well, OK, they had said that "you may continue to receive certain pre-approved offers for several months," and it had been about eight weeks. Perhaps I was just being impatient, but why was I getting more junk mail than ever?

During those eight weeks the whole ChoicePoint episode had made abundantly clear just how unreliable the data brokerage business is at protecting our privacy, so I was even more concerned about my credit report info than I'd been in January. As I studied the OptoutPrescreen privacy policy again with companies like ChoicePoint in mind, my concerns deepened. For one thing, the information I'd submitted would not just be shared with the four major credit-reporting companies:

"Optoutprescreen.com or the Consumer Credit Reporting Companies, may also disclose any of the information collected, as described above, to affiliates of the Consumer Credit Reporting Companies, which are companies that are related to one of them by common ownership or affiliated with one of them by common control, or to the associated consumer reporting companies who utilize a nationwide consumer reporting company system and that may have information about you."

Do these affiliates and associates of the credit report companies include data brokerage outfits like ChoicePoint? I sure wouldn't be surprised. And why should anyone other than the agencies need to get the information I submitted for the soul purpose of opting out? It's strange they need to share my data with affiliates and associates in order not to share it. And the privacy policy goes on to say that these affiliates and associates might not be required to abide by the restrictions in the OptoutPrescreen privacy policy:

Each third party receiving this information is either required to (i) abide by the restrictions in this privacy policy and is not permitted to use or disclose the information for any purpose other than as described in this policy, or (ii) receive and use the information in compliance with the Fair Credit Reporting Act, Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and other regulatory and legal requirements.

In other words, some of these third parties -- and they're not saying which ones - only have to abide by the very mild constraints set up by our toothless privacy laws. If one of the data brokers are indeed such a third party, does that mean they are at liberty to sell my info to the same mortgage brokers I thought my opt-out applied to? As the junk mail continued to flood in, I had to wonder.

But then, just about exactly two months after I signed up at the OptoutPrescreen site, the pre-approved offers stopped coming. It's almost like someone turned off the tap. Over the last few weeks, I haven't gotten any junk mail clearly marked as a pre-approved offer. Is it another temporary lull before another deluge begins? Was there just a glitch with the OptoutPrescreen website that has now been corrected? Or when they say it might take a few months for the offers to stop showing up, do they really mean the credit agencies and their affiliates get to sell your name like crazy for two months solid?

I certainly would like to hear from readers of the experience good or bad they've had with OptoutPrescreen.com or the 1-888-5OPTOUT number. But doesn't it strike you that there's something very bass-ackwards about this process? Why should we have to opt out at all from having sensitive information shared with every two-bit loan shark that's willing to pay the credit report companies for it? In this era of rampant identity theft, it just shouldn't work that way. Those agencies should not give my name, address, social security number, and date of birth - much less my bank and credit card information -- to anybody that I haven't chosen to ask for credit.

What do you think? Write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com or post your comments below.

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I'll try it and let you know[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by wantobe on Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 02:50:17 AM PDT

Though you might not want to wait two months for the answer.

Here's what all Gripelog readers should do, though: every credit card offer includes a self-addressed, postage guaranteed envelope that they hope you'll send your application in. Fill it with all the junk you can find, get it up to at least 2 or 3 oz., and drop it in the mailbox.

Make sure you leave out anything that could be construed as your having agreed to or applied for anything. I do it all the time, knowing that one person doing it won't make much of a difference, but I urge others to do it as much as possible.

Rob Miles
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't.
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by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 04:27:58 AM PDT

The envelopes for many of these offers are now barcodes to identify you before they even open the envelope.  I like to simply run the form thru the shredder and mail the little pieces back at thier cost.

Seems like the quantity of offers has gone down since I have started returning shredded forms. The envelope barcode identifies me and they get message I don't want thier offers.

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by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:23:43 AM PDT

I've been doing this too for a short while. I have seen a few envelopes with bar codes on the back. I just cut the code out and throw it away, add non-identifiable paper from the offer, and mail. I wish more people did this; might help the postal service's revenue, and keep the cost of stamps from rising.

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return barcode[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 04:57:33 AM PDT

I leave the barcode on the return envelope to let them know who is returning the shredded form.  It is a simple "no" response. This way I hope they stop sending me more junk.

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Unsolicited Credit Card Offers[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#102)
by Anonymous User on Sun Aug 27, 2006 at 01:22:52 PM PDT

People talked about stuffing junk into the business reply envelope. Back before 9/11, I used to keep a supply of very thin sheet lead. I'd cut a piece to just fit inside the business reply envelope and drop it in the mail. That would be asking for lots of trouble now. What I have done sometimes recently is to tape 39 pennies onto a card, with a note thanking them for their attention and stating that I'm paying their postage to make sure they never send me another such mailing.

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Don't know if this works[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#169)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 06:28:06 PM PDT

A few years ago when I was still underage, i would recieve credit card offers. One day I got fed up, and called the phone number on the form. I spoke to the person, exaggerated and asked "Can I really have a credit card?!?!? I'm only 13!!" not only did the offers from the one company stop but all of them. I was curious how they got my information in the first place.

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Thank you[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#59)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 04:22:20 PM PDT

Thanks Rob, I was just about to sign up for the optout then I saw your gripe log. I'm glad I didn't sign up and I will start returning the envelopes contents shredded. Bruce

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OPTOUT[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#63)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 11:50:45 AM PDT

I also was about to sign up for OPTOUTPRESCREEN.com then at the last second I thought I should see if the web site is legitimate. I came apon this site. Thanks for the info. I wont be giving my SSN to Optout. The site should be banned.

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numerous credit card offers in the mail[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#89)
by Anonymous User on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 02:43:47 PM PDT

I like that idea of shredding it and sending it back to them. I get so tired of tearing them all up. I don't have a shredding machine, but, if the offers don't stop, guess I will have to get one. I had not given that a thought, but its a great idea. wichlet

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#446)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#452)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#458)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#464)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#473)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#479)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#485)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#491)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#497)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#503)
by Anonymous User on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 09:08:10 AM PDT

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reply envelope[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:24:17 AM PDT

For several years we have done this. We put everything back into the business-reply envelope, including the original envelope it came in. We write on whatever "pre-filled" form may have been included "Please remove this name from your mailing list" and make sure it's very visible to whoever opens the envelope.

We probably average about one "pre-approved" mailing per week, or less.

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here's what they say[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 12:20:30 PM PDT

on the DMA website (opt-out prescreen probably has similar language):

This "do not mail" file is updated monthly and distributed four times a year -- January, April, July, and October (some mailers receive the file monthly). Your name remains on file for five years, after which time you may register again.

they have no interest in taking you off the list, so gee, 4 times a year, that's fair right? wow thanks guys.

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I do it too![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#46)
by Anonymous User on Wed Aug 31, 2005 at 02:50:10 PM PDT

I also stuff the envelopes. so there is two of us out there!

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Lets Act Now - stop this solicitation terrorism[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#53)
by Anonymous User on Fri Sep 30, 2005 at 03:52:24 PM PDT

I agree.. lets return the favor. But why should it waste our time and our natural resources and energy. Better still it's time there were serious law suits against the federal govt and against some of these agencies. It's the only real way to stop this senseless waste of resources and energy and protect our privacy at the same time (and it should apply to businesses as well as persons).Please pass the intent of this message on and Lets Act Now.

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Solicitation terrorism reply-[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#57)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 03:37:10 PM PDT

I agree totally! We need to stop this crap and protect ourselves. The meaning of the word "privacy" has gone out the window. I'm sick and tired of getting pre-approved junk mail. If a person has had financial difficulty in the past and has learned from it (not everyone who has had money problems did so willingly; loss of job or illness has brought on late payments, etc.) and now trying to get on the right path again is even more difficult because of all the scammers out there! Who can we trust now?

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#451)
by maderikapapa on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:07:38 PM PDT

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cash[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#514)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#457)
by maderikapapa on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 04:29:42 AM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#463)
by maderikapapa on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 09:20:44 PM PDT

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by maderikapapa on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:09:35 AM PDT

出会いを全国で楽しめる!出会い 北海道では寒い季節を二人っきり 391;温めて出会い 関東で都会でしか味わえない素 973;な愛を出会い 甲信越では気軽なセフレ関係を出会い 北陸では真面目な出会いを出会い 東海では恋探しを出会い出会い 関西では笑いありの大好きな彼 663;を出会い 四国では思いでに残るような恋 859;を出会い 九州では熱い出逢いをどうぞ全 269;での出会いはココで求めよ うエロ画像やエロサイトを無料で 372;紹介!エッチな恋人探しも提供しており人妻との夢のセックスライフが実現アダルトな思いを満たすなら当アダ 523;トサイトで決定!巨乳な女達が男性を弄ぶ出会いなども紹介しておりご近所 908;索機能付きの出会いサイト で柔らかいおっぱいおまんこを思う存分触ってください熟女とのアダルトな一夜などエッチ願望を満たせるエロサイトはココしかないアダルトを無料で楽しみ人妻との不倫セックスなど出会いある毎日をお過ごしくださ 356;

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by maderikapapa on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 09:05:39 AM PDT

セックス好きな大人達のセックス募集サイトセックスフレンドと遊べるセックスの仕方ノウハウをココでゲ 483;トオナニー好きな女の子達のオナニー写メを無料でゲットオナニー動画やオナニー掲示板でオナニーするオナニー画像を無料DL出会いセレブ女性と遊べる出会い系サイトはココで間違いなしA 281;愛人を求めるセレブ達の愛人募集サイトをご紹介!出張ホストサービスなどもセレブ女性 395;は人気で、男性との時間を 凄く求めております。メル友探しをご近所でやれるセフレ募集サイトなどもあり恋愛気分でエッチを楽しめるセフレ募集掲示板で今すぐエロ写メや新着女 615;を探そう

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by maderikapapa on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 07:55:15 PM PDT

無料エッチ動画エッチアダルトDVDエロ動画エロ動画熟女動画熟女無修正画像中出し動画中出し動画盗撮動画盗撮エロ無料アダルト動画無料アダルトエッチ無修正動画無料動画熟女無料動画アダルトビデオ無料動画中出しアダルト無料アダルト無修正動画無料アダルト動画アダルト無料アダルト動画セックスアダルト動画無料アダルト動画盗撮エロい画像で抜ける極上人妻エ 525;サイトをご紹介!人妻のおっぱいやおまんこ画像 418;無料で見れる!おっぱいおまんこの感触をリアル出会い系サイトで体験!逆援で儲かる出会い系人妻熟女達が童貞男性を刈るエロサイトなど 434;ご紹介

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by maderikapapa on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 07:13:17 AM PDT