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Fair EULA, Beta Version

By Ed Foster, Section EULA Reviews
Posted on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 12:17:07 AM PDT

As I explain in detail in my upcoming column, I think it's now time to take comments from all sides on the FEULA, my model fair EULA. So the following is the beta version of the FEULA as I've written it so far with input from a number of expert sources. The goal here is to design a complete set of software licensing terms that is equitably balanced between the needs of software publisher and software customer. How close do you think this comes to reachig the right balance point? What suggestions do you have for things that could be added, subtracted, or re-worded to make it better? You can write me with your comments at Foster@gripe2ed.com, but I would prefer - particularly for any specific changes you want to propose - that you post them below so others can sse and respond to your idea. As we go, this story can be found in the EULA Reviews section of my website after it's no longer on the GripeLog home page.


"Fair" End User License Agreement, Version .90

1. We grant you one license to install and use this software on a single computer. If you do not agree to the following terms of this license, please uninstall and remove all copies and return the product to us or our reseller for a full refund.

2. You may install and use the software on a second computer that you own, but the software should not be in use on more than one computer at a time unless you purchase additional licenses. You may make a back-up copy of the software for archival purposes. You may permanently transfer your license to use the software to another party, provided you do not retain any copies of the software and the party acquiring the software agrees to abide by this license.

3. The software is protected by the copyright laws of the U.S. and other countries, and we retain all intellectual property rights in the software. You may not separately publish, sell, market, distribute, lend, lease, rent, or sublicense the software. However, this license is not to be construed as prohibiting or limiting any fair use sanctioned by copyright law, such as permitted library and classroom usage or reverse engineering.

LIMITED WARRANTY

4. We warrant that the software will provide the features and functions generally described in the product specification on our website when you purchased it and in the product documentation. Media on which the Software is furnished, if any, will be free from defects in materials and workmanship.

5. We have taken all reasonable steps to keep the software free of viruses, spyware, "back door" entrances, or any other harmful code. We will not track or collect any information about you, your data, or your use of the software except as you specifically authorize. We will not intentionally deprive you of your ability to use all features of the software or access to your data.

6. We do not warrant that the software or your ability to use it will be uninterrupted or error-free. To the extent permitted by applicable law, we disclaim any implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.

LIMITATIONS ON LIABILITY

7. Your exclusive remedy under the above limited warranty shall be, at our option, either a full refund of the purchase price or correction of the defective software or media. To the fullest extent permitted by applicable law, we disclaim all liability for indirect or consequential damages that arise under this license agreement. Nothing in this agreement limits our liability to you in the event of death or personal injury resulting from gross negligence, fraud, or knowing misrepresentation on our part.

GENERAL PROVISIONS

8. If any part of this agreement is found to be invalid or unenforceable, the remaining terms will stay in effect. This agreement does not prejudice the statutory rights of any party dealing as a consumer.

9. This agreement will be governed by the laws, including Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code, of the state in which you reside. If your state has enacted the Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act (UCITA) or substantially similar law, said statute shall not govern any aspect of this agreement and instead the law as it existed prior to such enactment shall govern.

10. This agreement does not supersede any express warranties we made to you. Any modification to this agreement must be agreed to in writing by both parties.

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Comment from consumer's (outisde US) point of view[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Jarulf on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 02:43:17 AM PDT

I understand that the point of view for the EULA seems to be very US focused, nothing wrong with that of course, especially if the audience is US, but since most software probably will have an international target it helps trying to be aware of differences and such. It always amuses me reading EULAs (in software I buy in Sweden, were part of it is even translated to Swedish) referring US laws. Just one example. My comments are thus from a European and more specific Swedish point of view.

In addition, my comments are from a consumer point of view were applicable consumer sale/contract laws applies. For a non consumer case, there is much more freedom to agree to things.

>"Fair" End User License Agreement, Version .90
>1. We grant you one license to install and use this software on a single computer. If
>you do not agree to the following terms of this license, please uninstall and remove
>all copies and return the product to us or our reseller for a full refund.

This is perhaps not relevant from a content point of view but more of a general EULA view. Here a right is granted, but for it to have any meaning, it has to either not exist before or have been taken away. In a standard case, when software is sold in, for example a store or over the net, there is no contract (usually) that remove the right to use or run the software. Similarly the copyright laws does not give use as an exclusive right to the copyright holder. In addition, most countries have copyright laws (including US) that make copies needed to run software as non infringing even without permission. Hence I have always had problems with the "grant of license".

But I assume the whole point of writing this fair EULA is based on the assumption that one need such a grant of right to start with and that any attempt to run or install software without a license is a copyright infringement. One thing I sometimes ponder over, is how I can run the install program to start with, before I have agreed to the EULA....

>2. You may install and use the software on a second computer that you own, but the
>software should not be in use on more than one computer at a time unless you
>purchase additional licenses.

This I see as a true extra right granted that would normally not be allowed through copyright laws.

> You may make a back-up copy of the software for
>archival purposes.

Isn't this specifically allowed through most copyright laws? I know it is by Swedish copyright laws and it is even stated as something that can't be revoked through contract (any such provision in a contract is thus always void).

> You may permanently transfer your license to use the software to another party,
>provided you do not retain any copies of the software and the party acquiring the
>software agrees to abide by this license.

Again, this should in part be allowed through laws similar through first sale doctrine, most copyright laws have provisions to consume the distribution right of the copyright holder after the first sale. I can see it as an extra right in some cases though, new copyright laws in at least Sweden have local consumption so that only goods bought inside EU (and their trade parties, a few extra European countries) will have the right consumed. This permission here would give that right to software bought outside EU (for EU citizens) as well.

Putting the requirement on the initial owner to make sure the next one agree to the EULA seems strange and will probably not be enforceable in many countries I would say.

>3. The software is protected by the copyright laws of the U.S. and other countries,
>and we retain all intellectual property rights in the software. You may not separately
>publish, sell, market, distribute, lend, lease, rent, or sublicense the software.
>However, this license is not to be construed as prohibiting or limiting any fair use
>sanctioned by copyright law, such as permitted library and classroom usage or
>reverse engineering.

To be more "international" I would avoid writing a specific country. It is of course nothing wrong with such a statement, but it does not, in my opinion, add anything to mention a specific country.

Not sure how to interpret the "separately" though. Some of the listed things are things as one DO have the right to do, even the prior paragraph specifically mentioned that transfer was OK, or am I misinterpreting the "separately"?

>LIMITED WARRANTY
>
>4. We warrant that the software will provide the features and functions generally
>described in the product specification on our website when you purchased it and in
>the product documentation. Media on which the Software is furnished, if any, will be
>free from defects in materials and workmanship.

Isn't this more of an information part? Many countries mandate it by various laws. In addition, I would remove "website". What about if you don't have a website? What about all other information (also mandated through laws even). Or is this EULA only meant for sales of software though websites? If so I can understand it but I would still say that other information should also be included.

>5. We have taken all reasonable steps to keep the software free of viruses,
>spyware, "back door" entrances, or any other harmful code. We will not track or
>collect any information about you, your data, or your use of the software except as
>you specifically authorize. We will not intentionally deprive you of your ability to use
>all features of the software or access to your data.

Although it is all very good things, I think this is again more of an informational point.

>6. We do not warrant that the software or your ability to use it will be uninterrupted
>or error-free. To the extent permitted by applicable law, we disclaim any implied
>warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.

Is this standard typing? I would assume that if one does NOT write or give extra warranty, only those applicable by law apply, so why write it to start with? Trying to list everything one do NOT give or promise will otherwise turn out to something enormous.

>LIMITATIONS ON LIABILITY
>
>7. Your exclusive remedy under the above limited warranty shall be, at our option,
>either a full refund of the purchase price or correction of the defective software or
>media.

At least here in Sweden this is what consumer sale laws says. It is the sellers (you can request this in the shop you buy OR from the manufacturer) that decides what to do, but if they fail to fix the problems a few times, the buyer THEN have the right to revoke the sale and get the money back.

>To the fullest extent permitted by applicable law, we disclaim all liability for
>indirect or consequential damages that arise under this license agreement. Nothing
>in this agreement limits our liability to you in the event of death or personal injury
>resulting from gross negligence, fraud, or knowing misrepresentation on our part.
>
>GENERAL PROVISIONS
>
>8. If any part of this agreement is found to be invalid or unenforceable, the
>remaining terms will stay in effect. This agreement does not prejudice the statutory
>rights of any party dealing as a consumer.

This in my opinion is to vague and in part lazy. Typing up a whole bunch of things and then just say "if this doesn't work due to laws, forget it". One can of course require that consumers and others knows the laws, but then, trying to give impression of things being different is in many cases not allowed either and should not be permitted in contracts to start with, even having "if the law says otherwise, ignore it".

>9. This agreement will be governed by the laws, including Article 2 of the Uniform
>Commercial Code, of the state in which you reside. If your state has enacted the
>Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act (UCITA) or substantially similar law,
>said statute shall not govern any aspect of this agreement and instead the law as it
>existed prior to such enactment shall govern.

This would of course mostly work in the US only. One can typically not contract away law requirements, especially those that are worse to the buyer.

>10. This agreement does not supersede any express warranties we made to you.
>Any modification to this agreement must be agreed to in writing by both parties.

At least here in Sweden, contract law does not require any specific formality or special way to enter into a contract (exception are specifically mentioned ones, like for example selling a house requires the contract to be in writing and so on). Hence any way to enter a contract into, including oral, is valid (the fact that it is harder to prove some is another story though). Hence requiring changes to be in a specific way would generally be considered not enforceable. Similarly stating that this contract overrule others. The Swedish court (Marknadsdomstolen) that would handle this type of contracts have rules several times (I can give specific references in Swedish if anyone is interested) that the requirement to terminate a contract must be in writing to be not allowed and can't be used, just as an example.

In general, I think the FEULA is a good attempt, and if one look at it, it is mostly a clarification of things that often already is applicable through various laws, at least in some countries, perhaps the case is somewhat different in US, I really can't say and that some of those requirements are more needed). There is still a few points to look over though. Of course, I doubt any big software company would adopt it in any near future though.

What I find particularly interesting is that this "balanced" view between consumer and publisher is remarkably similar to what one get if one just stick with the (consumer)laws with any additional contract. It is also, apparently, what the seller of most any other product in the world aside from software, thinks is all that is needed for selling their products since you usually don't see any EULA for most everything you buy.

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Re: U.S. Focused[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Ed Foster on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 04:07:56 PM PDT

Yes, it is similar to what you get if you stick with consumer and copyright laws in most countries. And it is U.S. centric, because we need it more than most other countries, where the courts tend to take a more consumer-oriented view than American courts do.

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Clause 8 is not so bad[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#39)
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>8. If any part of this agreement is found to be invalid or unenforceable, the >remaining terms will stay in effect. This agreement does not prejudice the statutory >rights of any party dealing as a consumer. This in my opinion is to vague and in part lazy. Typing up a whole bunch of things and then just say "if this doesn't work due to laws, forget it". One can of course require that consumers and others knows the laws, but then, trying to give impression of things being different is in many cases not allowed either and should not be permitted in contracts to start with, even having "if the law says otherwise, ignore it". --- Actually the above is a "severability clause". It just says that we are trying to reach an agreement that is legal, but if one of the clauses turns out not to be legal in a given jurisdiction, the other clauses still remain in effect. It's actually a good idea for both parties and gives even a flawed agreement a chance to be successful.

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Hmmm[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#45)
by Jarulf on Tue Mar 15, 2005 at 12:02:30 AM PDT

Perhaps it is dependant on the contract law in the country. The only case were I can see this as needed is if contract law says that if some part of a contract is invalid, the whole contract is. Then I can see it as nesseary. Is that the case in USA? What about other countries (I know the focus is for USA here though)?

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Items 1 & 2 in conflict.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by RocDoc on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 06:47:58 AM PDT

In item one you limit the "use [of] this software on a single computer." In item two you allow the use of the software on a second computer, as long as the software is in operation on only "one computer at a time." These conflict with each other and logically cancel each other out.

I suggest changing the statement in item one to read "use this software on a single computer at a time". I also suggest changing the statement in item two to read "install and use the software on another computer that you own." This now allows items one and two to logically support each other, including the use of the software on multiple computers by the licensee within limits of fair use. It allows item two to further clarify item one and to restrict the usage in keeping with US copyright laws associated with printed materials.

I believe this EULA may still be too long and wordy for the average person to wade through and agree before installing. It is, however, much better than what we currently see out there.

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About ownership[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Jarulf on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 06:59:07 AM PDT

>I also suggest changing the statement in item
>two to read "install and use the software on
>another computer that you own."

Adding in requirements on who owns the computers just complicate things. There is no such requirement in part 1. There should in my opinion not be any requirements at all in software that you have to own the computer it is run on. It can very well be that your wife for example owns the computer. Or perhaps you rent a computer and run software on it and so on.

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by Jarulf on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 07:04:54 AM PDT

>I also suggest changing the statement in item
>two to read "install and use the software on
>another computer that you own."

I don't think there should be any requirements on ownership of the computer. There is none in part 1 for example. In my opinion there should not exist any requirements for software that you actually own the computer you run it on. It could be the computer of your wife (or whoever else you can live with to get away from owning it together) or perhaps it is a computer you rent and not own and so on.

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Owning computers vs. ???[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 09:22:00 AM PDT

You could replace "own" with "own or lawfully control the use of"

But the idea here is not to cram the document with excess legalbabble.

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More simple[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Jarulf on Sat Feb 26, 2005 at 06:43:12 AM PDT

Just delete the "that you own". Most simple solution.

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Re: Items 1 & 2 in conflict.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Ed Foster on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 04:17:19 PM PDT

OK. If we say "use this software on a single computer at a time" in #1, do we even have to raise the ownership issue in #2? I'm for anything that makes it simpler. -- Ed

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Sounds great to me![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by RocDoc on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 07:29:53 PM PDT

The good ole' K.I.S.S. principle! Thanks, Ed!

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by Anonymous User on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 09:20:36 AM PDT

Clauses 1 and 2 perhaps ought to read as follows: 1. We grant you a license to use this program to the fullest extent of the copyright laws of the United States, including, without limitation, fair use, copying for archival purposes. As soon as you agree to this license it becomes a binding contract. If you do not agree to this license, then you may return it to the place from where you bought it for a full refund. 2. You can install this software on as many computers that you wish, as long as (a) you own them all; and (b) you do not have the software actually running on more than one machine at a time. In the same way that two people cannot read different pages of the same book at a time, you cannot use this software on more than one computer at a time. If you need to use this software on more than one computer at a time, you need one paid license for each computer that uses the software at the same time.

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If you want software vendors to adopt this...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 09:38:04 AM PDT

You will have to allow them to specify the state law that governs the contract.

You also will have to allow them to elect binding arbitration over courts.

Most will want to bar the use of the class action lawsuit.

While the effort is noble, the beta contract is tilted heavily towards the consumer.  If our society were not so horribly litigious, this might work.  However, with people running off to court every nanosecond over every little thing, companies need to protect themselves in order to stay in business.

I can hear the retort: "Well, if they treated us better, they would not need to protect themselves by contract.  But that is not the case.  Dish Network just got clobbered for a massive settlement, and even worse attorney fees, because their dishplayer 7100 receivers would sometimes freeze up from a software glitch and would require a "reboot."  This did not endanger anyone; it caused a 10-minute inconvenience once or twice a month on average.

Now people are trying to start another class action against them because they charge $4.95 per month for use of the DVR (think TiVO) feature on their model 721 receivers.  Dish Network sends over twice as much program schedule information to a 721 as to their "normal" units, justifying the cost.

This digresses a tad from my original point, but software companies will not accept agreements that put them at the mercy of people with a grudge and an attorney.

Do they overcompensate?  Hell yes!  Secret arbitrations presided over by private individuals and not an arbitration association like AAA or JAMS, requirements to bring all actions in the home state and city of the seller even if the seller has an office in the buyer's home state, and others.

California courts have held that Paypal's old user agreement (the new one is not any better) was designed to "preclude any meaningful challenge to its business practices" when they tossed it out.

This is a noble effort, but the big boys are not going to put themselves on the line for the very existence of their companies unless there is some reasonable way they can protect themselves from frivolous litigation.

Trivia question:  How many times was eBay (not Paypal) sued in 2004?

a. 100-500
b. 501-1000
c. 1001-2000
d. 2001-10000
e. more than 10,000

The answer is e.  Almost all of these suits were from angry sellers who had been kicked off eBay for ripping off their customers.

Companies will want EULA's that protect their rights.  They have rights too.

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Governing Law[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Ed Foster on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 04:54:05 PM PDT

No question I tilted a bit toward the customer side on the choice of law issue. If there's a formula that would be more equitable, I'd love to hear it. I don't think letting the software publisher specify the state is the answer, though. With consumer-type products, anyway, courts are going to tend to ignore what the EULA says in favor of protecting their consumers with their state's laws.

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