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Copying California Law Isn't Enough to Stop the Next ChoicePoint

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 12:04:18 AM PDT

Just as I was in the process last week of asking whether we can trust industry self-regulation of privacy, ChoicePoint did us all the favor of providing a resounding answer to that question. The revelation that there are companies out there casually buying and selling our most sensitive personal information - companies that we never had business dealings with, companies that we were never given a chance to send an "opt-out" request, companies that won't let us see all the data they have on us, companies that are virtually unregulated in their privacy practices - should at least have one beneficial result. The public is now going to demand that our lawmakers get serious about protecting our privacy.


But I hope people realize that merely copying California's SB 1386 -- the law that forced ChoicePoint to spill the beans -- will not be sufficient. Don't get me wrong -- as a Californian, I'm proud that our Left Coast laws helped bring this situation to light. (And I can't help but wonder whether ChoicePoint would still have felt bound to inform Californians had the criminal investigation not happened to have been centered here.) A legal requirement that companies notify customers of a security breach that puts their personal information at risk is a no-brainer. And if your state's leaders don't now quickly enact a reasonable facsimile of SB 1386, you might want to borrow another page from the California book of tricks and dust off your recall provisions. (Which raises another interesting question: Gray Davis was the Governor who signed SB 1386 - would Arnie have signed it over the loud protests of industry?).

What the ChoicePoint fiasco really shows we need, however, are baseline federal privacy standards that apply to all industries. Although it's certainly ironic that the "nation's leading provider of identification and credential verification services" couldn't figure out it was selling our info to a ring of criminals, the real problem is that data brokers like ChoicePoint can legally sell our information to just about whomever they please. As the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) detailed recently for the FTC, right now there are no rules or regulations keeping any scumbag with a laptop from learning everything the data brokers know about you (including perhaps your family, job, and medical history) as he or she stands outside your door.

In that regard, another side benefit of the ChoicePoint fallout will hopefully be that the politicians and bureaucrats will now pay more attention to what EPIC has to say. EPIC has been sounding the alarm about ChoicePoint for many months -- not because it knew ChoicePoint was selling data to identity thieves, but because it knew the data broker business is out of control in its use and potential abuse of our personal information. And EPIC has already laid out a road map that should help guide lawmakers to the goal we should all share now of creating real privacy protection for the American public. A simple first step -- perhaps only requiring the FTC to clarify its rules -- would be to make sure that data broker businesses must comply with the Fair Credit Reporting Act the same way the credit reporting agencies do. That way we would at least have the right to see what information these companies have about us. If we don't want there to be more and even worse episodes than last week's, the companies that traffic in our privacy need to have a lot less privacy themselves.

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Ain't nothing gonna happen[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 11:16:10 AM PDT

Until some politician get's their dossier in the mail.

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Yup[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 11:45:36 AM PDT

That's what happened with the Video Privacy Protection Act - it came after a video store disclosed Judge Robert Bork's rental history.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:59:58 PM PDT

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Get the laws in place first[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 01:49:10 AM PDT

I Denmark we have had laws on electronic registers containing personal information since the early sixties. We have never had any severe problems with personal information being sold, leaked, cross-referenced etc.. And yes, those laws also hold for government institutions.

So it is perfectly possible to have privacy even though every citizen has a personal ID-number (CPR = Central Person Register) and corresponding records in government databases and lots of other places.

In fact, it is illegal to create a database with personal information without a permit. So I guess my Outlook addressbook is a bit on the shady side :-)

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State Governments Partially Responsible for This[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 01:21:33 PM PDT

While SB 1386 forced Choice Point to reveal the sale of personal information to criminals, according to other media reports Choice Point did some basic background checks on the purchasers. This included verifying they were properly registered businesses. So the criminals scammed the states themselves, not just Choice Point. Sounds like the states need to beef up their own procedures.

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Everyone is missing the point[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Sat Mar 05, 2005 at 06:24:03 PM PDT

"Choice Point did some basic background checks on the purchasers. This included verifying they were properly registered businesses."

Why should I be willing to have my personal data sold to someone just because they are a "properly registered business"?  Even if there were no fraud, Choice Point's business is to gather your personal information and sell it to any registered corporation.

The information wasn't stolen.  The database wasn't compromised.  It was sold.  The only fraud was that the perpetrators claimed to be corporations.  The corporations didn't exist, so Choice Point clearly didn't care what the corporation did with the data.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:54:55 PM PDT

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ChoicePoint - Reality Check!![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 03:36:51 PM PDT

>>The public is now going to demand that our lawmakers get serious about protecting our privacy. Get Real! *What have you been smoking?? Never gonna happen! "The Public" (a) don't know Jack, and (B) couldn't care less!

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Response From ChoicePoint[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Ed Foster on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 05:01:31 PM PDT

I received the following message through my web form. -- Ed Foster

We at ChoicePoint understand the concerns and fears that many of the posters to this site have expressed in recent days and wanted to briefly clear up some questions.

First, ChoicePoint voluntarily notified 145,000 people whose files MAY have been accessed in this incident. We did so as soon as the California legal authorities informed us of the extent of the problem.

We've told those potentially affected how ChoicePoint will help them monitor and correct any situations regarding the potential identity theft issues.

We've also changed our internal procedures as part of our ongoing effort to make our databases more secure, and continue to look for ways to further strengthen the vetting process for new customers as well as how we seek potential fraud or abuse once customers begin to use our data.

We understand that there is great suspicion and a lack of understanding about what we do and how we do it. We hope to begin and encourage a broader dialogue on the risks and rewards of information uses.

Hopefully, some of your questions can be answered by checking the homepage of our ChoicePoint website at www.choicepoint.com.

James E. Lee
Chief Marketing Officer
ChoicePoint



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Lack of Understanding?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Mason on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 03:16:23 PM PDT

Mr. Lee,

There is not at all a lack of understanding about what your company does and how your company does it:  You gather up as much personal information on as many people as possible and sell it to other people for various purposes.  

The suspicion you mentioned is entirely justified.  Thanks to the actions of your company, over 145,000 people may suffer various forms of identity theft.  Regardless of your platitudes about helping potential victims, identity theft can and often does torment the lives of the victims for years.  (Thanks for the free credit report -- that makes me feel a lot safer!)

I sincerely hope that as a result of this misadventure, your company is driven out of business and legal reforms are instituted to better protect personal information.

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Response to Mr. Lee[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 07:39:46 PM PDT

Your company is incorrect in the statement that privacy is acceptable while animinity [sic] is not.

Animinity [sic] is not only acceptable, but was an instrumental factor in the creation of our country. We can not be free from persecution until we are free from the mechanisms that monitor our actions for the sake of persecution. It is akin to saying that we are "guilty until proven innocent".

We, the people of the United States of America, will take every legally possible action to stop your tyrannical form of data collection. One person's privacy is another person's cash flow. I, for one, give no man and no government the right, nor my permission, for the information that I consider private. I understand my choice of anonymous life style may keep me from items or behaviors that some in society consider acceptable. My choice of this type of lifestyle is one of the founding principles of this great country; as long as I act within the legal requirements of our society.

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Give me a break![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 12:02:33 PM PDT

"First, ChoicePoint voluntarily notified 145,000 people whose files MAY have been accessed in this incident. We did so as soon as the California legal authorities informed us of the extent of the problem." So... You still don't know whose files were accessed! You didn't know until the California Government informed you! California LAW forced you to notify those affected! Reports now show that ~500000 people had their info stolen! (Only 145000 informed) You should ALL be lined up and shot! Come to NM I'll do it. $0.50 for a bullet sounds like a good investment to me. I don't want to hide the bodies. I'd hang them on the fence for all to see.

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Threatening to shoot someone is not appropriate[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by ekuns on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 05:29:14 PM PDT

Come on. You can be outraged or upset at someone or at a company without the threats. Death threats, however obviously just an expression of anger and not a genuine threat, are entirely inappropriate and a disgrace to this forum.

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I wonder what info they have?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by auctionhugh on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 10:33:37 AM PDT

I'm an average law-abiding citizen. I wonder what info choicepoint and their ilk has in their database that I should be concerned about?

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Law Abiding?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Mason on Wed Feb 23, 2005 at 03:20:13 PM PDT

The fact that you're law-abiding really doesn't enter into the equation.  If anything, a good record may make you a jucier target for ID theft.

I, too, wonder what information Choicepoint has on me, though the mere act of inquiring may give them more information than they already have!  What a catch-22.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:10:55 PM PDT

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Law-abiding has nothing to do with it[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by ekuns on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 05:24:56 PM PDT

OK, fine, you're a law abiding citizen. You still have stuff to be alarmed about. Primarily that through ID theft your credit can be ruined for years. "Law abiding" has nothing whatsoever to do with having your identity stolen. In fact, while you think you are a law abiding citizen, if someone else steals your identity and commits a crime, that can appear on your record. What you think and what the records show are not always connected.

A girlfriend of mine from years ago was convicted of paternity. That is not a typo. She was legally found to have FATHERED a child, and they were preparing to garnish her wages. The legal process failed and it was only when she went to the press that the case was reversed. All of this because someone with the same full name as her (a gender-nonspecific first name like "Jamie") fathered the child and they found that she had stayed at a hotel in that area during that time period.

Imagine the false accusations that can be made of ordinary average law abiding citizens with a database of the breadth and depth of what Choicepoint gathers. And that's assuming that the information is accurate. Keep in mind that a large fraction of credit reports have errors in them.

Really, "law abiding" has nothing to do with this issue at all. It's a complete red herring to assert that someone who is law abiding doesn't have anything to worry about. It's irrelevant. In fact, if you are law abiding and have excellent credit, that makes you a BETTER target for identify theft.

However, to address the "law abiding" issue, a lot of personal information is out there that can be embarrassing. Employers could potentially screen people out for activities that are entirely legal. People with access to a lot of personal information can jump to incorrect conclusions based on what they see.



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Real privacy law?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 06:18:52 AM PDT

I live in Canada and we have one of the toughest privacy in the world. It states among other things that keeping personnal informations beyond a relatively short term after the person is not a client anymore is illegal. The penalties are serious.

The enforcement is poor but another trouble is the limited territorial scope of the law. For example, when my mother wanted a Home Depot credit card, she gave her phone number and the clerk said he was the number of my father who deceased 20 years ago. They kept this information far longer than the law permit. After doing some search, it appear sthe database is kept in the USA where it's perfectly legal and data are transfered here only on need which makes it legal here too.

So to our friend from Denmark, I must say no privacy law is worth much with the international scope of the Internet.

JR

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Suit[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 11:18:30 AM PDT

A California woman has already filed a lawsuit against ChoicePoint after receiving one of the letters that her personal information had been sold. I sincerely hope this puts ChoicePoint out of business, and puts Mr. Lee on the street.

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,66710,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6

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