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History Writ Small

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 01:09:02 AM PDT

I'd hoped by this point I might be able to announce the winner of my most recent poll on the worst EULA terms, but that won't be possible. Searching through the small print, readers have found three very worthy write-in candidates that also merit our consideration. And, based on their history, I should have known these vendors would be contenders.


After all, Microsoft and EULAs have always gone hand-in-hand. Developers in the Visual FoxPro community have been puzzling over some changes Microsoft made in the EULA for the new 9.0 release. In particular, they've been scratching their heads over this decidedly cryptic passage:

"The software is engineered to allow you to use it in certain ways. You must comply with these technical limitations. For more information about them, see the software documentation. You may not ... work around technical limitations in the software..."

No work-arounds allowed with Microsoft software? Just imagine how far Microsoft would have gotten if that had always been the rule. Not only is it rather extraordinary for the EULA to say you only use the software in those "certain ways" the vendor intended, you have to go read the manual if you want to find out what the limitations are. What were Microsoft's legal eagles trying to accomplish here?

Well, history does provide a few clues. The last time the Visual FoxPro EULA changed, it was to try to discourage use of VFP runtimes with Windows emulation software running on Linux. I would guess similar motives apply here, as that would also help account for the vagueness of the restriction. As a convicted monopolist, Microsoft has to be careful about using terms that are too clearly anti-competitive in its license agreements, as that might be construed as misuse of copyright.

An even more faithful recording of history seems to be taking place in Intuit's fine print. In response to my recent story about the Quicken sunset policies, several readers pointed out the relevant language in the Quicken 2005 EULA:

"Intuit shall have the right to change or add to the terms of this Agreement at any time, and to change, delete, discontinue or impose conditions on any feature or aspect of the Intuit Software (including but not limited to internet-based services, pricing, technical support options, and other product-related policies) without notice. Online services, such as downloading financial data from your participating bank, credit union, credit card, brokerage, mutual fund accounts, online bill pay, downloading stock/fund quotes and news may expire in accordance with Intuit's then effective product retirement/sunset policy available at www.quicken.com/sunset. For the latest version of this Agreement go to www.quicken.com or such other site designated by Intuit."

For those of you who have wondered how Intuit can legally remove features that customers thought they'd paid for, I guess there's your answer. And note how the sneakwrap language allows Intuit to change the terms at a later date. While very common in online or subscription-based service agreements, that certainly isn't something I'd expect to see in a supposedly perpetual license for software. Here's the EULA for your software, and here's the place where you can check tomorrow to see if the EULA has changed overnight.

And, since history repeats itself, so must I. I owe it to anyone checking into a Hilton-owned hotel expecting to use the hotel-provided broadband service. One reader staying at a Hampton Inn on a skiing trip took the time to read the HHC (Hilton Hotels Corporation) high-speed Internet access agreement. In it he found a lot of language I thought was long gone, including:

"You agree that HHC shall own all Information. By using the Service, you voluntarily, expressly and knowingly acknowledge and agree with all of the foregoing and further agree to each and all of the following: (I) such Information belongs to HHC and is not personal or private proprietary information; (ii) such Information, wherever collected, may be processed, used, reproduced, modified, adapted, translated, used to create derivative works, shared, published and distributed by HHC in its sole and absolute discretion in any media and manner irrevocably in perpetuity in any location throughout the universe..."

Yes, all of Hilton's we-own-all-your-information-throughout-the-universe privacy language is back, or maybe it never really left. Except, instead of just applying to information collected on Hilton's website, it would now appear to apply to all data coming in or out of your hotel room. As the guest at the Hampton Inn wrote, "every keystroke on my computer while using their service becomes the property of HHC, every document I send, or my credit card information should I decide to buy something over the internet while using their service. Needless to say, I didn't send any information or passwords that night, and I think I'll be staying somewhere else the next time I decide to go skiing."

Given the now-it's-there, now-it-isn't history that we've seen with Hilton's non-privacy language, I think it's best I post the whole agreement the reader sent me so it can be compared in detail to what came before. Naturally, the "I've consulted a lawyer" clause that was polling so well among our bad terms is still in there as well. So, along with the new entries from Microsoft and Intuit, it's definitely going to be hard to pick a clear winner for the worst existing license terms. But, hey, I can already tell you who history will say were the biggest losers: all of us.

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Internet Dorkdom strikes.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by foxyshadis1 on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 03:44:08 AM PDT

The "You agree that HHC shall own all Information." is by far the most amusing. Not only do they own all the Information traveling through their servers, but they own all the rest of it, too. I'm sure the Pentagon will be pleased to hear of this.

"Someone set up us the EULA. Main Legalese turn on. ... How are you gentlemen. All your Information are belong to HHC. You are on the way to processed and used. You have no chance to Privacy make your Forfeitures. Ha Ha Ha. ... Take off every Right. Move Right. For great Usage."

Much too late to be allowed to do this. ^_^

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Hmph.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 04:35:24 AM PDT

Remind me to use strong crypto next time I stay at one of those places. Then they can do as they please with the ciphertext; I won't care. ;>

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A good idea[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:14:03 AM PDT

It's a very good idea to use encryption to protect your data. I have a friend in the A/V business and I know that the guys in the back offices at the hotels can watch what you're doing on the WebTV connections and when they're sitting around bored, they do. Fortunately, they usually spend their time tapped into the PPV adult films that guests are watching so they don't spend as much time spying on the WebTV users as they otherwise would.

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12 Minutes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by spocko on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 01:57:50 PM PDT

That's the average time that people send watching the adult PPV movies in their hotel rooms. BTW, that's Al Franken's favorite statistic.
Spocko. Author of www.spockosbrain.com the blog that is sweeping the nation! Now with 19 readers!
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Get your facts straight!![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 11:11:44 AM PDT

As the General Manager of a Hampton Inn in Indiana you really need to get your facts straight. We can see who is logged onto the hi-speed system, we however cannot see what the guest is doing. Also hotel employees are far to busy to care about what movies the guest is watching!!!!

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Hilton[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Howling on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:23:28 AM PDT

The "You agree that HHC shall own all Information." can be a double edged sword. It would be interesting to stay there and download lots of music files. then send logs to the RIAA with a note that Hilton now owns all this music per their EULA. Stand back and watch the lawyers go at it.

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I had had a similar thought...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by sconeu on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 10:52:12 PM PDT

Mine was a tad nastier...

Launch a virus while staying at a Hilton.  Then blame HHC, pointing out that per their EULA, they own it...

I would never do that, though... virus writers are lower than spammers and EULA authoring lawyers.

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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!@#& Legalese[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by ideoplex on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 10:43:57 AM PDT

It's not obvious (!@#& legalese), but they're actually just laying claim to the "User Information" and "Transaction Data" of IV.i and IV.ii. The key is the last sentence of the first paragraph of IV.

For purposes of this Agreement, the terms "User Information" and "Transaction Data" shall have the meanings set forth below and shall sometimes hereinafter be referred to collectively as the "Information":

Which would make the sentence You agree that HHC shall own all Information a bit more palatable if the !@#& lawyer had crafted a more sensible definition of "Transaction Data". I suspect that it is really meant to refer to all transaction with HHC. But as written, it would seem to refer to any transaction executed over the service.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I don't even play at being a lawyer in my dreams.



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Transaction data[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Fushigi on Mon Feb 14, 2005 at 10:45:36 AM PDT

But if I rent a room, I'll be supplying a credit card number with expiration date and possibly the additional code from the back of the card. Under no circumstances would I let Hilton or anyone else 'own' that data. Use it for the purpose of that transaction and only that transaction, yes. But own it? Never.

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EULA terms[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 10:44:01 AM PDT

How does this work for my workplace? If I use Visual FoxPro at work I didn't agree to any ELUA agreement, it was supplied to me by the company I work for. Now since I didn't read any ELUA agreement does that mean I still can't work around any technical limitations. This could hurt my work performance and thus affect my raise every year. My Managers often come to me and say "make it happen, I don't care how!" Should I now tell them I can't because of a ELUA agreement? Oh yea, that would go over well...

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New Standard EULA[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by mbeymer on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 09:09:27 AM PDT

Why don't they just get it over with and create a simple standard EULA. It would look something like this. You agree to what ever we want, whenever we want. With EULA's containg language that let's them change the agreement after the fact, they are in effect having you sign a blank contract to be written later. OR am I missing something there?

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My EULA[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 06:36:02 PM PDT

I once stayed at Hampton Inns. It's too bad that Hampton Inns did not read my personal EULA, which applies whenever I stay at one of their hotels. It is a secret EULA and by the terms which they agreed to when they rented me a room, they aren't allowed to read it. However, basically I can tell you that it says any room I rent from them the towels become my sole property for perpetuity. Now if only I can get the TV set un-bolted. But that will be an upgrade in the next version of my product.

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Eureka![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by jimdoria on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 03:28:55 PM PDT

I think you're onto something, Anonymous. What we need is a EULA credit card. Instead of the name of your bank or your favorite sports team, the front of this custom credit card could be printed with nearly-microscopic legalese - a personal EULA. The agreement would state that its terms take full effect whenever an entity or an agent of that entity accepted the card (or its associated card number) as payment.

Of course, the Hilton front desk clerk (or whoever) should be expected to read it in its entirety before swiping it through and obliging the Hilton Corporation (or whoever) to agree to it. (It's hardly my fault if they fail to equip their cashiers with the 40X magnifiers they need to do their job properly. And if they're taking the order over the phone, it is only reasonable to expect them to ask if there are any legally binding terms associated with the acceptance of the payment.) You wouldn't REALLY want to keep your personal EULA's terms hidden, would you? Why would anyone want to do THAT?

And what would those terms be? The right to steal towels might be reaching, but how about disclaiming and disavowing all the odious restrictions found in most common EULAs, and creating a binding contract that the entity is reponsible for safeguarding your private data and is forbidden from sharing it with others? At least for starters. Oh, and retaining the right to sue for whatever you personally feel merits a court case, in whichever jurisdiction you choose.

There's probably even money to made off this idea - I hereby place it in the public domain. Somebody run with it. PLEASE!

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Hmm...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 03:54:32 PM PDT

Anyone ready for a round of "Battle of the Forms"?

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EULA Credit Card[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 14, 2005 at 05:22:16 AM PDT

You know, some credit card companies will do customized card designs for large enough groups of customers -- and the threshold is lower than you might think. This is eminently doable if you get enough people...

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EULAs on credit cards[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 09:02:21 AM PDT

While amusing, the problem with this scheme is for that there to be any effect, people would have to hire lawyers and sue to get their CC EULAs enforced.  While that's great if someone wants to do that, for most of us I suspect we're looking for something a little less extreme.

I remember reading some guy's webpage that had a copy of an agreement that he would send out with any payment he was making, saying that by accepting the payment, they were also accepting the terms of his agreement, and was able to use that to gain some leverage.  It forced them to have to take action on it, not him.

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EULA Cards[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 10:06:34 AM PDT

Ya know, there is something here. I would pay $50 per year, to be a member of a personal disclaimer EULA. That would provide enough capital for the association to fight for the enforcement of our group EULA against the companies in question. It might just be the way to pull the plug on the entire EULA farce.

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You can put almost anything on a credit card[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:55:14 PM PDT

The threshold is as low as it can get for a personalized credit card. Got to "www.oneofacard.com" and you can get your own personalized Visa card. You sign up for the account and upload a picture to be printed on YOUR card. No volume purchase required. And the bank that offers it is a midwestern institution that has decent customer service. (obligitory disclaimer, they pay my salary)

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new name not EULA but RCSAA[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Fri May 12, 2006 at 03:02:00 PM PDT

EULA is for end users but what we want is a binding agreement with the retailer. So I propose "Retailer Credit ans Sales Acceptance Agreement" Setup a website with all the fine print then have your credit card, checks and your cash stamped with the agreement and web site. I think the agreement and website should not be outrageous like some of the EULA's but have reasonable claims and statements. Like "The consumer can not be required to surrender any rights and retains any and all rights and legal recourses in the event of a dispute" or some such wording.

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Quicken?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
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