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An Unwarranted Microsoft Mouse

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 12:04:54 AM PDT

Is it possible that Microsoft's attitude toward software warranties is starting to rub off on its hardware business? That's what one reader had to wonder after discovering he could not get a customer's failed Microsoft Mouse replaced under its warranty.


"I work for a company that is a Microsoft System Builder," the reader wrote. "We sold a customer a Microsoft Wireless Mouse earlier this year. Nine months later the mouse died, just flat-out stopped working. Okay, well, this is no big deal we thought, because Microsoft tells OEM system builders on their website that the wireless mouse has a three-year warranty. They tell the customer the same thing in the booklet that comes with the mouse."

But that's not what the reader's customer heard when they called Microsoft. "The customer calls the number in the front of the booklet that came with mouse and is told to call tech support," the reader wrote. "They call tech support and are told that there is no warranty on OEM products, and they really need to talk to the company they got the mouse from. So the customer gives it to us. We start calling Microsoft, and at first are told again that there is no warranty on OEM products. Then we're told to call back and tell tech support that we are the customer. We get the same answer the customer got. Everybody we talk to gives us either 'No Warranty on OEM products' or they tells us as the System Builder to send it back to our distributor."

So the reader called his company's authorized Microsoft distributor. "They tell us that we are out of their RMA return window, which is 30 days, so we should call Microsoft," the reader wrote. "You can see where this is heading -- a nice little circle. I've tried writing an e-mail to the OEM support people, which is the only way you can contact them, but they won't respond. I've called the local Microsoft office, got nowhere with them, they say send an e-mail to somebody who is supposed to call back. So far, no call."

Ultimately, the reader says he and his colleagues called ten different phone numbers at Microsoft. "We would either get no response, or be told to try calling another number," the reader wrote. "It's just amazing. Here we've called about a broken product that Microsoft claims has a three-year warranty, that they won't support, and that nobody can provide an RMA number for. After several hours wasted on fixing a $39.00 product that should have been easy, all we've got is a frustrated customer. At this point we have to give the customer a new mouse, and then continue to pursue this based on principle. Oh, and I don't plan on continuing to sell a lot of Microsoft hardware."

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Sell other mice[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 04:02:11 AM PDT

I hear Logitech sells mice. I used to think that one of the few products I might grace my desk with would be a Microsoft mouse, but after this little debacle, a Microsoft mouse will never see the light of my desktop.

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Logitech[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Fushigi on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 04:55:47 AM PDT

My first Logitech mouse lasted 20 years. It still worked but was de-commissioned in favor of a mouse with PS/2 (vs. serial) connectivity. I've never had a Logitech mouse fail, including their more recent wireless models.

Their drivers are sometimes a bit futzy, but in the end I like the reliability and ergonomics they offer better than MS, Kensington, and all the others.

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Logitech[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 06:44:01 AM PDT

I've had Logitech mice fail - usually dead buttons. However, they do last two or three years minimum.

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Logitech mice[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 06:58:46 AM PDT

I have a Logitech mouse that I've used for 7 or 8 years now - one of the first trackman marble mice. Not only has it been utterly reliable, but it has saved much wear and tear on my wrist and shoulder. I paid $100 for it then, and considering how well it has done, would pay that much again.

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Me too![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by rodak on Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 01:06:47 PM PDT

I've also had a Trackman Marble for 6 or 7 years.  It's the only trackball-style mouse I can stand.  While cleaning it, I lost one of the little ball-bearings the ball rides on.  I called them up and they wanted almost $7 to ship me one, so I declined. After hobbling along for year or so on two bearings, I decided just to fork over the relatively small sum and be done with it.  I emailed them about it, asking for the current price/ordering info.  A few days later, two of the little buggers showed up in my mailbox, free of charge.  Way to go, Logitech!

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The Marble is the greatest[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by LasVegan on Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 04:21:05 PM PDT

"mouse" around. Amazingly, though, when I stopped in Fry's to pick up one all I could find was the cordless version and I definitely didn't want that in this case.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#47)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:47:38 PM PDT

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    Logitech vs. MS[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 08:31:33 AM PDT

    The MS mice from the 80's and 90's were really good. Logitechs didn't feel quite as hefty, but were durable (I dropped them pretty hard on occasion and they were always fine). Sometime in the last few years the quality of MS mice (and keyboards) started going down hill. They didn't feel as solid or work as smoothly and started failing more frequently. The Logitech mice I've used have managed to improve a little in that time. There is really no contest anymore.

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    Re: Logitech vs. MS[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:56:35 AM PDT

    Mechanically, Logitech mice seem pretty good. I just bought one of their wireless "notebook" mice instead of buying an MS one. But be warned: if the product comes with a rebate, expect to get stiffed. They attempted to deny my $10 rebate twice, even though I followed all of their terms scrupulously. Fortunately, I kept all of my records, and I expect ultimately to prevail, but what a waste of time! Logitech's smarmy rebate practices have been a subject of the GripeLog before (which, unfortunately I read AFTER making my purchase).

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    Logitech rebates[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
    by Fushigi on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 05:41:37 AM PDT

    I've never had a problem with mine. Were your rebates from Logitech or the retailer you purchased the rodent from?

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    by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:38:19 PM PDT

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    Warranty[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 10:46:46 AM PDT

    MS actually has a decent warranty on their non-OEM hardware products. You used to be able to call them, read them some numbers from the bottom of the keyboard/mouse, and they'd send out a replacement, and not want the old one back. Word got out how easy that was, and it started getting abused, so they eventually changed the policy. Last time I had a dead mouse, they needed a fax of the bottom of it, then sent out a replacement, still not wanting the old one back.

    I still like my Logitech MX-700 better, though.

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    Never had a problem[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
    by edmicman on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 12:24:47 PM PDT

    As soon as I saw this I almost posted the same thing! I wans't aware of the distinction of OEM vs non-OEM and the warranties, but I've always had good luck with my MS mice (3 different Explorers before moving to Logitech MX500s and a 700). The MS replacement policy is on most any "hot deals" site, and works. Way back in the day I just called a number, gave them the serial from the bottom, and a few days later my replacement came. A corworker had his button start sticking, and recently all he had to do was fax a photocopy of the bottom of his mouse and they sent him a new replacement no questions asked. Never had to talk to anyone at all, and never had to give them the old hardware. What would happen if you did this with an OEM hardware? I would be surprised if they even cared about the difference.

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    Same thing happened with Dell[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
    by samalex1701 on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 11:46:43 AM PDT

    This exact same thing happened to me not long ago. A friend bought a PC from Dell, and a year later the Maxtor hard drive went south. The hard drive says clear as day 3 Year Warrenty, so I called Maxtor and went through the RMA process to get a new HD sent to me. After giving them the serial they said it was OEM and I'd need to call the manufactorer.

    Not having the best of luck with Dell in the past, I called them and was given the same circle the guy talked about with the Microsoft and the Mouse. Dell said to call Maxtor since the PC only had a one year warrent and no extended warrenty (PC was about 14 months old). Even though the HD had marked clear as day 3 Year Warrenty on it, which the Dell rep said NONE of their HD's had such a warrenty printed on it, he wouldn't give.

    So we had to spend the cash on a new HD and throw a HD that away that appeared to have 2 more years left on it. Companies need to better define who's responsible for manufactorer warrenties on OEM parts. I understand the meaning beind OEM parts being cheaper for resalers, but when the manufactorer (Dell, Microsoft, whoever) starts not honoring the warrenties on their hardware someone needs to really get involved.

    FWIW,

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    Reminds me of my experience[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 11:47:36 AM PDT

    This reminds me of the time I wasted trying to get a Microsoft Ethernet card working again following an OS upgrade on a desktop. It turns out that MS only shipped Win98 drivers for the card then dropped it as if it had never existed -- searches on microsoft .com by description or model number never turned up a thing. One of the drivers sites (maybe windrivers.com) turned up the fact that there were no Win NT/2K/XP drivers.

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    Want to have some fun?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
    by sandygettings on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 11:48:53 AM PDT

    File a claim in your local Small Claims Court - it costs about $50. Also pay the small additional fee for a sheriff to deliver the summons.

    Now, sit back and relish the thought of Bill Gates getting the summons from the police, and Microsoft spending a few thousand dollars on lawyers to defend a dead mouse. Sweet revenge!

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    Why'd the reader's customer have to suffer?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
    by jlmoore on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 12:08:31 PM PDT

    Not to divert from the real problem here (Microsoft not honoring their word) but if I was the customer with the broken mouse I don't think I'd be too happy  waiting for my vendor to haggle with Microsoft for a replacement.  Give me one out of your stock and you figure things out with the hardware vendor.  Sure, he's risking $40 but I think it's good practice to shield the customer from the ugliness of dealing with the hardware vendors.

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    I couldn't agree more![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
    by mschaffer on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 12:38:32 PM PDT

    If my vendor tried this on me, they wouldn't be my vendor for long!

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    The readers customer did't have to suffer![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
    by micromanx5 on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 06:45:39 AM PDT

    I'm the reader who wrote Ed about this. My customer didn't suffer, at least not from us. They initially refused our offer to replace with a new one. They had pulled out a wired MS Optical and said they would use that until we could get the replacement. When we figured out that we couldn't get replaced that's when we finally convinced them to take a new one. Not only did we replace it but we went to the office and installed the mouse and checked to make everything else was okay for no charge. They were extremely happy and insisted that we didn't have to do that.

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    Looks like another successful MS strategy..[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 12:34:55 PM PDT

    Looks like their plan worked, if you are one to favor a conspiracy theory. They have now successfully caused you to double your original purchase from them by making it near impossible to get the warranty honored. Coming next: Microsoft Rebates

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    yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#49)
    by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:38:23 PM PDT

    出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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    Don't Buy Hardware From a Software Vendor[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 06:22:39 PM PDT

    I have been in the business for almost 20 years and I can only say, Don't buy hardware from a software vendor. I second the posts on Logitech as a GREAT mouse supplier. I love Keytronic keyboards. But I have never had any desire to inflict Microsoft hardware on my clients. I go with the best of breed and my clients are better off in the long run. And based on this story, they are better off in the short run, too.

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    OEMs and warranties[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 08:27:09 PM PDT

    Logitech "mice" are what I use. We've had two Logitech mice outlive other supposedly wonderful mice -- Razer, MS wireless, generic. It's Logitech in this household. As for Microsoft not honoring warranties, did you expect any different from a company that requires payment for the Help Line of a company that has to issue "critical security patches" on a weekly basis?

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    An Unwarranted Microsoft Mouse[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
    by Anonymous User on Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 08:42:46 AM PDT

    I encountered a similar problem with an OEM MS Natural Keyboard. Just like the posters above I was given s number to call onlt to be given another number. Finally I called my Microsoft representative and he said he would take care of it. That was over six month ago. The only solution I see is to grab one of the MS salesman (by the neck) who are trying to promote XP in one silly way or another and make him take care of the problem in some manner. Free software on the spot comes to mind. AS overall, the OEM support people SUCK!

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    Go logitech[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
    by david anderson on Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 09:29:05 AM PDT

    Like the others have said, logitech mice seem to be able to survive a lot longer, and the one time I had an isse, it wass replaced no problem.

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    IBM mouses[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 12, 2005 at 11:18:53 AM PDT

    I've become addicted to IBM Optical Navigator mice.  They fit my hand best, look good with a cool blue LED wheel, and seem unbreakable.  Not sure you can still buy one in a store, though.  So get them for $10 on eBay.

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    there also is a santa claus[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:24:02 AM PDT

    This is nothing new.  I encountered the EXACT same scenario that this griper did, except mine was probably 6 yrs. ago.  

    their website & documentation that came with the hardware itself said there was a warranty, but MS told me to call the distributer (either Merisel or TechData), who in turn told me to call MS.  Nobody took responsibility.

    i finally gave up... for all practical purposes, unless you are willing to spend thousands taking them to court, there is no warranty.  They should be fined millions by the FTC for saying there is.

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    There really isn't an OEM Warranty.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
    by micromanx5 on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 06:48:12 AM PDT

    Okay yes this poster put up the text from the OEM web site. Big deal! The whole point here is that MS is not honoring that warranty!

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    Or try this...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
    by Anonymous User on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 03:38:16 PM PDT

    Go to the big local store like Circuit City or Best Buy, purchase mouse exactly like the one you have problem with, wait a week or so and return the old one and get your money back. This way MS will eventually end-up with the dead mouse anyway.

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    Talk to them in person[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
    by ray82609 on Tue Jan 03, 2006 at 10:19:19 AM PDT

    Buy a few shares of stock and then attend a shareholders meeting and bring the defective mouse. I did this once, long story short. I had a piece of network equipment with no service agreement. The power supply went out and the company refused to sell me a power supply without a service agreement. It so happened I was a stock holder and was going to be in town during the shareholders meeting. I never actually made it to the meeting, but was greeted and asked what the problem was. I got a new upgraded piece shipped to me with a complimentary service agreement and a note of apology and thanks for bringing a problem to their attention. I now get a phone call about every 90 days to see if I have any problems or suggestions. Apparently they really don't want me attending a shareholders meeting. -Ray

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    Ms hardware[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
    by Anonymous User on Thu Jan 12, 2006 at 09:06:23 AM PDT

    We had to ban all microsoft hardware from our resell points since we had no answer to the requests we made to defective Ms intellimouse optical and the Ms explorer opt. We got back from angry customers. Its sad that a company that big can't provide effective support to their resellers. We have more defective mice now that we can sell in 1 year :-/

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    Re[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
    by bendictpaul on Sat Mar 04, 2006 at 04:30:37 AM PDT

    It's true taht Microsoft has such bad support that they are causing people to refrain from buying their products. I felt that teh 3 years warrently is just a lie, just to encourage the buyer to pick their product. Afterall, most people would most probably forgets about the 3 years warrently and purchase a new mouse should the previous one decides not to work. Afterall, it's relatively cheaper and much hassle-free.
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