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Reader Voices: Not-So-Happy Returns

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 12:14:17 AM PDT

'Tis the season to return stuff, after all, so it seems like an appropriate time to continue our discussion of return policies. A recent story about a reader who found he couldn't return a defective product 14 days after it shipped elicited a number of different opinions from readers on just what is a fair product return policy.


Some readers were pretty hardline on the idea that it's up to the customer to check ahead of time. "Before I buy anything, whether at an old-fashioned brick-and-mortar store or online, I ALWAYS check what the return policy is," wrote one reader. "That seems to me like plain common sense logic. Then, at least you know. If you don't like it, buy elsewhere; there are a million other places willing to do business with you. The real problem is when companies don't honor their posted policies, but it seems in this case the customer was at fault for not knowing something every savvy customer should know."

Low prices mean poor return policies, another reader said. "You get what you pay for, and this includes the return policy," the reader wrote. "Handling returns costs money. The longer the return time, the more returns, and the more the vendor has to mark up the product. If you want 90 days return, buy it from a local retailer with a 90-day return policy, and the price to match. If you want to go cheap-cheap, well, you get what you pay for."

Other readers took more of a middle ground. "I can't decide if I think 14 days for an online reseller is fair or not," a reader wrote. "I do think that 30 days is probably more the norm offline. Either way, a line has to be drawn by the reseller somewhere, and it will probably be well before the manufacturer's actual warranty against defect, which range from one year to 'lifetime.' Your reader is not out of luck, because after the return period has expired, the manufacturer warranty takes over. No reseller's warranty, or lack thereof, supersedes the manufacturer's warranty, and no reputable manufacturer has a warranty of 14 days."

But many readers felt that the 14-day limit was unfair. "In the bad old days a company that did not 'stand by its products' was the exception because it actually made the products, rather than outsource manufacturing. It controlled everything from the raw materials to the final advertising. People held onto things longer so it was even more important that the customer remembered just how good the company was ... Fourteen days from shipping date is too short a time frame for a return policy. It shows either a total lack of consideration for the customer or a total lack of understanding how slow the actual delivery of an item can be. Both the big home shopping concerns have a 30-day window that starts about 7 days after their shipping date. Like all retailers, brick and mortar or virtual walled, they rely on customer satisfaction. My guess is that (this vendor) does not rely on return sales otherwise it would not sustain such a cavalier attitude toward its buying public."

In point of fact, the vendor in question decided after seeing our discussion that 14 days was indeed too short and wrote that it they have now changed their policy to give customers 30 days to return a defective product. But some readers felt that, at least when it comes to products that are truly defective, it should be a lot longer than that.

"If the product never worked as intended and it is provable, a year doesn't seem unreasonable for computer parts, since they obsolete fairly quickly," wrote one reader. "Pick your own time frame. My point is, if you sell a defective product, the contract is invalid since you didn't provide the service that was implied when you take a person's money. No terms of contract -- e.g., 14-day limitation -- should be valid if the contract isn't."

And one IT manager held out the experience of his or her own company in an unspecified retail-related business to argue that there should be no time limit on returns. "We've always offered a 100% satisfaction guarantee without a time limit," the IT manager wrote. "Also, we cover the cost of return shipping if the product is defective. While most businesses think such a return policy is foolish and will cause us to lose money, the fact of the matter is that just the opposite has been the case. While the economy continues to trend towards falling sales figures, we've averaged a 35% to 45% increase in sales each year for the past five years. Sure, we have a few customers that do abuse the policy, but for the most part our customers would rather have a good product than just keep sending things back."

The IT manager expects at least a 30-day return policy without restocking fees from any retailer doing business with them. "As the person responsible for all IT purchases for my company, I make it a point not to shop anywhere -- brick and mortar or online -- that have policies that do not meet my standards for returns," the reader wrote. "Retailers beware, if you want my business -- and my annual budget is fairly impressive -- you'll offer a reasonable return policy that is intended to meet the customer's needs rather than boost your own bottom line."

Where does your view on product return policies fall on this spectrum? Post your comments below or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com. And many happy returns.

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Happy medium[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 10:25:19 AM PDT

In a consumer retail environment, an unlimited or even one-year return policy is unfair to the retailer. As someone who once worked in retail in my youth, I saw customers return year-old cookware whose teflon had been scratched by metal utensils. I saw people attempt to return product that was no longer in new condition and claim it was defective. I saw people purchase video game systems as something to entertain the extended family with during the holiday months and then return them, because then they didn't have to pay to rent a system. And I've seen plenty of brazen tales, even outright lies, by people who merely wanted money from something they no longer used or cared about.

I agree completely that a 30-day return policy is neccessary. It generally takes that long to ensure that many products work as advertised. I think that in the case of Christmas gifts, a gift receipt with a longer return policy (provided the item is returned in new condition) should be provided. After that, there is a manufacturer's warranty in the case of most products, if a consumer truly has an issue, and at that point the issue should be handled by the manufacturer, not the vendor selling the vendor's product.

We all expect vendors to be trustworthy and honest, and if you are posting here, chances are you are one of the "honest consumers". However, vendors have the issue of selling to customers less honest that the good people here, and a happy medium needs to be found that lets honest people return a defective product, without giving a break to those who are not.

As for enterprise/business (esp. in the IT field) I think the situation is a bit different (much higher costs, sometimes proprietary or specialized solutions, etc.), and evaluated on completely different terms.

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Several issues[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Jarulf on Tue Dec 27, 2005 at 04:24:10 PM PDT

There are several issues at work here and I think both the original article and your post mix them up a bit.

First, one have to go and look at what the law says. I can't believe the US doesn't have some sort of consumer laws that handle minimum times and such (and it would feel strange for it to be just 14 days or whatever). here in Sweden (and most of Europe) there is a 3 year time for which faulty products, faulty at delivery, not due to normal use or wear,  can be returned to be fixed. The shop can then decide to either fix it or replace it or if that fails, the consumer can revoke the purchase.

There is no right to return anything if it works ok. Many shops still have a return period for, say 14 or 21 days or so.

Since the consumer only deals with the shop and not the manufacturer directly (when buying with from a shop), the only one the consumer has any deals or legal dealings with is the shop. The shop is the one delivering and selling and hence is responsible for the item in question. hence the consumer can go to the shop when it doesn't work. It is then up to the shop to deal with the manufacturer. It is still possible to go to the original manufacturer should the consumer whish though.

Claiming that the shop should have no responsability and that the consumer should go directly, only, to the manufacturer seems strange and horribly bad. Not only does the consumer then has to go and figure out and were that is, perhaps in a remote part of the country, or perhaps not even in the country, what then? Or what about if the manufacturer does not exist any longer or has moved?

Obviously, if the costumer returns a product that is NOT faulty (I believe you can put your not trusty costumers here), there is no obligation to accept a return.

So please distinguish between the cases with a faulty product and with a working one, it seems you mix them up and argue about one thing, based on the other.

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Returns[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Reziac on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 10:20:08 AM PDT

Obviously, if the costumer returns a product that is NOT faulty (I believe you can put your not trusty costumers here), there is no obligation to accept a return.

I disagree with this since there are many cases where something is legitimately returned, not because it's defective, but because it's the wrong size, the wrong colour, doesn't fit in the allotted space, or for some other reason looked good in the store but doesn't seem so hot once you get it home.

However, in the case of such non-defective returns, it's certainly reasonable to require that all original labels and packaging be included (so people don't just wear or use and return stuff they had no intention of keeping when they bought it). And for stuff that people use then abusively return (like game systems) require a restocking fee IF the product has been opened.


~REZ~
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Depends...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Jarulf on Wed Jan 04, 2006 at 03:32:18 AM PDT

>I disagree with this since there are many cases
>where something is legitimately returned, not
>because it's defective, but because it's the
>wrong size, the wrong colour, doesn't fit in the
>allotted space, or for some other reason looked
>good in the store but doesn't seem so hot once
>you get it home.

Well, some of the cases you mention (for example wrong size) doesn't require a return, only an exchange for a correct size. Otherwise, although convenient, one can also argue that one should check ahead of things such as space to fit something in. The exception, in my opinion, could be distance purchases, that is, if you buy online or suc and can't really check pout the product properly as you can in a shop.

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I bought a flash mp3 player from Best-Buy about 3 months ago. The salesman touted their extended service agreement for $10. He said it improved the manufacturer's guarantee by a year and allowed me to return the unit to Best-Buy for a full credit towards any new purchase. He said I could just bring it back in for so little as a scratched display crystal.

The player proved to have a bug that was annoying, but not crippling. When I talked to a friend with the same unit I found out her player did not have this bug. The bug in mine became more important and I decided to take up Best-Buy on their $10 contract return priviledges.

I bundled everything up and drove to the nearest Best-Buy store. I waited in line for the next service associate for about 10 minutes. It took her not more than 30 seconds to pull out my copy of the service agreement and point out the written statement that the unit was not returnable to the store, but had to be mailed to Best-Buy in some other city. I objected that when I bought the unit I was verbally told I could return it to the store. She said no, they used to do that, but not any more, and that maybe I could take it to another store directly, but not this one, where I bought it.

Best-Buy gladly sold me this contract for $10 and some sweet verbal promises. When the time came to make good on them, they flat out refused to do as promised. The lesson here is that a verbal agreement is about as good as the paper it is written on.

Best-Buy had a recent downturn in their sales and stock prices. They might take a look at their customer "service" as part the reason.

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Since it was only 3 months ago, you can put both the unit's cost and the extra $10 charges into dispute with your credit card company. This is always the fastest way to resolve a dispute. (By the way, I learned several months ago that Best Buy had changed not just all their policies but their attitutde toward customers. I stopped shopping there and will never go back.)

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