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Chase Gets Excited About Making Customers Opt Out Again

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 12:23:50 AM PDT

When you go to the trouble of opting out from receiving a company's marketing stuff, you'd think it at least ought to stick for a while. That's why one reader was irked recently when he discovered that Chase was going to make him opt out yet again if he didn't want to get junk mail from them.


"A few months back I got a letter from my mortgage company, Chase Home Finance," the reader wrote. "I had previously filled out all the paperwork they sent me to tell them that I wanted to opt out of receiving all marketing material. So, I should not have received any marketing material, right? Wrong!"

The letter read:

As you may be aware, Chase and Bank One merged last year and have been working to bring the two companies together. We're very excited about the new firm's potential to present you with a broader array of products and services designed to help you achieve your financial goals. These products and services may often include private, unadvertised offers, customer-only discounts or special pricing features. However, our records indicate that you have requested not to receive marketing mail from us.
We'd like to start mailing you again. If you would like to receive mailing, including the offers described above, you don't have to do a thing. Please be assured that your decision to rejoin our mailing list will not affect any other choices you have made, such as request for us not to call you.
If you still prefer not to receive marketing mail from us, just follow the instructions below. Be sure to do so within 30 days. We hope that you'll decide to receive this mail from us, and as always, thank you for your business.

The instructions went on to give recipients a toll free phone number, e-mail address, or postage-paid returned envelope they could use to opt out. But, of course, the reader's problem was that Chase felt entitled to make him do this again, in spite of the fact they clearly knew he'd already gone through the process of telling them not to send him this kind of stuff. "As you can see, they are using the excuse of a merger with Bank One to revoke all opt out letters and basically tell me that they are going to start sending me junk again unless I again tell them not to," the reader wrote. "I know we see this a lot with online privacy statements and computer companies, but this is a big bank that should play by the rules."

Unfortunately, there actually are no rules to keep a big bank like Chase from making him opt out again and again, any old time they decide they're "very excited" about bombarding him with the same kind of offers he they didn't want before. And let's not forget about the CardSystems fiasco, where -- at just about the same time Chase was sending out these letters -- it made it crystal clear that it's much less excited about the idea of communicating with customers if it's about the possibility that your credit card information has been stolen by identity thieves. So unexcited, in fact, that Chase instead devoted its energies to arguing for the right to keep its customers in the dark. I guess when it comes to the privacy rights of customers, Chase believes that the bank is the only one that has the right to really opt out.

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chase[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 05:02:22 AM PDT

well, they have that guy's mortgage, so not much he can do... for the rest of us, simply quit using their credit cards.  For me, it's more about the fact they're just assholes.  I don't carry balances, but from what i've read, they're notorious for rate-jacking the second a user does.  That to me shows their lack of ethics, which is good enough reason for me to stop using them.

i have a card that is now owned by Chase after the Bank One merger.  I just rarely use it.  It's my only VISA, so i keep it around for the occasional merchant who doesn't take Discover or AMEX.

they've never called me or sent me any junk mail, but I am opted out of everything & always dig thru any disclosures to find the info.  Everything's paperless now, so it's only disclosures i get in the mail any more.


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by srynas on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 05:35:25 AM PDT

Recently both Disney and Belk (a department store) obtained my email adress. How, I don't know, but they each sent an email stating how they would like to offer me their junk, plus the junk of the unknown affiliates. Of course they said that they were committed to protecting my privacy so if I unfortunately did not want to receive further solicitations from them and their affiliates, I would have to through the opt-out hoops.

This past week, I had to re-register with Amazon to get that pesky last minute gift mailed.  Instead of having a simple and obvious op-out screen, I had to dig into their website to find the opt-out page. I had this same customer friendly experience with Intuit.

The obvious solution is to simply offer an opt-in strategy, that way it is a win-win strategy.  But what really bothers me is the shallowness of the logic, the phony commitment to customer service, and butchering of the English language.  "To protect your privacy we will share(sell) your address with anybody."


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by Anonymous User on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 06:09:22 PM PDT

Given all this, I still find for my purposes and in my area, Chase is the lesser of evils. However, even if it's someone with whom I'm supposed to have some "relationship," I still trace header info and report it as spam with the sender's provider (activists call it "LARTing"). That usually gets me a better response than going through a lame opt-out. I simply assume the burden is on them to obtain my specific permission, and act accordingly.

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Countrywide does worse[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 19, 2005 at 08:44:34 AM PDT

Countrywide is my mortgage company and let me tell you the funny thing they do. In order to opt out of their spam they make you sign up for an online account. But by doing so they make it clear that you are in fact SIGNING UP TO RECEIVE SPAM. They even let  you in on the little secret that even if you toggle the buttons indicating that you don't want spam that they will still send you some spam anyway.

So, in short, to opt out you must first opt in and even then they admit up front (in fine print) that they're still going to spam you!

P.S. They stink as a mortgage company too.

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Why would you give your mortgage company your email address in the first place? If you didn't then you wouldn't have to create an online account, etc. I just tell those sort of companies that I don't have access to email (which usually gets a smirk - considering my occupation). There is absolutely no reason to give an email address to a brick-and-mortor company unless you really want to receive their mail.

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Countrywide is my mortgage company and I signed up with them for a web account. I do not know if they have been spamming me. But I do question their practices. They charge you a fee for processing your payment closer to your cut off date. (See below). When I went to confirm the new charges I noticed that they now have a cut off time and do not accept payments on the weekend. To the best of my knowledge they were accepting payments 24/7. I believe they are making these changes to collect the fees that they will now be able to charge if you are running a little late.

Don't good busineess practices include treating your customers properly. In the end, this breakdown is the whole reason for this forum. And it amazes me that the people running these companies do not see this. I did not choose Countrywide as my mortgage company but doing business with them was easy and I felt good about it. Now, these changes do not make me feel good about them and I would not select them by choice.

From the Countrywide web site:
"Beginning January 2006, you will be charged a $2.00 fee if you schedule a payment to be drafted during the middle 1/3 of your grace period. For example, if your payment is due on the 1st of the month and you have 15 grace days, payments scheduled to be drafted on available draft dates from the 1st through the 5th would be free. However, if you schedule your payment to be drafted from the 6th through the 11th you will be charged a $2.00 fee. Payments scheduled to be drafted on the 12th and after that date, will be charged a $5.00 fee. The fee will be included in your total draft amount. With your payment due January 1, 2006, the online coupon will be updated to clearly reflect the draft dates that are free for your account. Please see the FAQs for more examples and additional information."

For the record, my problem with charging the late fee is that it adds to the profit they are already getting. They calculate your interest on the date you pay. So if you pay on the 15th, you are paying more for interest than if you paid on the 1st. So why not take the extra interest and be happy? Higher profits. To them higher profits is more important than happy customers.

As always, Thanks to Ed for the forum.
Victor

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I don't see the problem with that[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by david anderson on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 11:48:51 AM PDT

Really, if your due date is on the 1st, and you don't get hit with a late fee till the 6th, that is more than enough time to cover a weekend or whatever.

If your payment is due on the 1st, any time after that and it is late. They could start charging you a lot more than $2 and add that fee on the 2nd if they wanted. When I was paying rent, there was usually a $50 fee if it was even one day late, and the eviction notice would be tacked to your door after anything from 3 days to a week.

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