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PCs and Customer Alienation

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 12:53:55 AM PDT

If you're willing to pay a little for a premium-quality, well-supported PC or laptop, which brand name computer manufacturer can you rely on? Well, particularly with Lenovo taking over IBM's PC business, that's getting to be a really tough question. But one thing my gripers will tell you is that, although it positions itself as a premium supplier, Alienware is not the answer.


Earlier this year I wrote about Dr. Cem Kaner's meticulous chronicle of his experiences trying to get Alienware to fix, and then ultimately to refund his money for, a lemon of a computer he'd purchased from them. Since then, I've received a rather constant stream of complaints about the company, almost rivaling the gripes generated by the commodity PC vendors like Dell and HP.

What's struck me in particular is how similar many of the reader tales about Alienware are to Kaner's in terms of involving both faulty hardware and unhelpful support. "I would tell my story about my Alienware Area 51M laptop in its entirety, but I would merely be reiterating what happened to Cem Kaner," one reader wrote. "Though I did not have to go through the extremes he did to get his machine functional, I did encounter hardware issues right out of the box. I too experienced delayed delivery issues, hardware issues right out of the box, and failing tech support that knew nothing about PCs or basic networking. In total, the machine was sent back for repair three times. The last time it was in repair for a month and when it was returned to me, the modem was broken, the SD card reader they were supposed to fix was still broken, they had chipped the lid in two places, and the DVD+/-RW has some type of thermal paste that drips into the tray and keeps it from opening properly and potentially ruining media. I travel for a living, this machine was purchased to be my office and for its perceived durability and reliability and excellent tech support. Instead, those of us who purchased an Alienware system have all spent thousands of dollars on machines that often equate to little more than a doorstop or glorified paperweight."

That first step - just getting what you ordered from Alienware - can be a doozy. "Alienware customer service is absolutely deplorable," wrote another reader. "I ordered a $7500 set of two computers with multiple accessories for my small business over a month ago. Now it's over three weeks since they were supposed to arrive, and I have partial shipments only. I have to be the one to call customer service every few days, and I get a different story every time but no computer. The whole situation is ridiculous and I never get to talk to the same person twice. Nobody at Alienware ever calls or e-mails me back, either. And to think I went with these guys to get away from the lack of customer service from Dell."

Unfortunately for some customers, that first delivery may not be the only time they find themselves waiting computerless. "My Area 51m-7700 is being repaired right now, its second major hardware failure in the first year of ownership. I have been very unhappy with both the computer and the service. I regret buying Alienware, I will never buy from them again, and I am urging all my friends not to buy from them either."

Occasionally, if the customer is persistent enough, even Alienware will finally admit the machine is a lemon. "My fiancé ordered an Alienware laptop in July, an engagement present to him from me," a reader wrote. "The unit arrived and it did not connect to the Internet. It was sent in to Alienware's repair site twice, taking about 3 weeks each time, and we have logged about 20 hours with various tech support people and customer service reps. They are unwilling to give us a refund or replace the unit. And it's been 5 MONTHS!" Fortunately, a letter the reader wrote to the president of Alienware finally seemed to get someone's attention. "Once I informed the 'customer service team' that I had written the president, it seemed to change things entirely. They called me back within a day and credited what I spent on the laptop to spend on a new system. While this isn't exactly giving me my money back, it will hopefully get us a working computer."

Others, though, reach a point where another Alienware computer is the last thing they want. "After seeing tech reports and advertisements about Alienware, we decided to purchase a $4,600 Mj-12 workstation to run advanced 3D animation jobs for our company, a multimedia design firm," wrote a reader who deeply regrets that she had not seen Kaner's website before making that decision, as her story closely parallels his. Alienware shipped the system without the second processor she'd ordered, the first boot-up produced an error message about corrupt OS files, long hours of calls to Alienware ultimately resulted in the system being completely useless. The next day I phoned Alienware again and explained my dissatisfaction with the system in general, and asked that the problem be resolved as quickly as possible. We had already begun to lose money on the jobs that we had planned for this workstation. I was told that the system would have to be shipped back for repair and was given an RMA number."

Ten days later, the machine came back from Alienware with a note indicating that nothing had been done that the reader hadn't already tried before. "All that aside, after receiving the shipment today we removed the computer from the undamaged box to find the metal casing was damaged," the reader wrote. "The bottom of the case side barely fits on the tower as it is smashed in -- meaning this machine had been dropped from a height. Obviously, this was not FedEx as the box was our original one and was completely undamaged. I cannot believe that an Alienware employee would damage a system so obviously and then simply box it back up and ship that same damaged system back to us as 'fixed.' We simply refuse to continue to do business with Alienware and demand a complete refund of our original purchase price for the computer that never functioned properly. We've documented all this for Alienware, and they can look up under our corporate account number, which was 332203."

While it's pretty clear Alienware isn't the answer, we are still left with our original question. If you are willing to spend more to get a high-end system with top-quality support, who should you spend that money with? Post your answer below or write me directly at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Only Speaking for Myself[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:11:43 AM PDT

Spocko, I'm envious -- I only have six readers on my blog.

First, all my current stuff is second hand, because I run a computer ministry and use what donated equipment comes in. Second, I never run anything but Linux and FreeBSD. However, my fellow Open Source geeks tell me the Linux laptop vendors shine in that field. For desktop systems, we almost always build from scratch. However, I've bought systems in past years and found just about any local vendor is better than a name brand dealer.

Thanks for keeping us informed, Ed.

Ed Hurst jehurst at gmail dot com

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Hey, what happened to my comment?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by spocko on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 02:08:50 PM PDT

Hi. I posted about this issue and my comment disappeared. As you can see Ed Hurst commented on it. Did I do something wrong? Is it my tag line. That is to my blog. I'm a long time poster here and I'm not a blog spammer. What's the deal?
Spocko. Author of www.spockosbrain.com the blog that is sweeping the nation! Now with 19 readers!
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Re: Hey, what happened to my comment?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#36)
by Ed Foster on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 04:12:19 PM PDT

Spocko: I don't know what happened to your post -- I did see it earlier and it was fine. We have a number of volunteers fighting the link spam, so I would guess one of them must have mistaken it for one. Sorry about that. -- Ed

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Missing comment[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by LasVegan on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 09:32:53 AM PDT

I agree with Ed's assessment, somebody (I know it wasn't me as I didn't zap anything since this gripe was posted) probably accidently zapped it. I note a link in your post--that makes an accidental zap much more likely as it gets it on our radar. There are days I've zapped over 200 pieces of link spam. Most of them are blatantly obvious but we have a couple of people who post what looks like reasonable stuff but it's actually link spam--they take an existing post, make a copy of it and stick links into it.

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Those spammer Jerks[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#39)
by spocko on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 02:17:35 PM PDT

Hey thanks Ed and LasVegan. I'm sure it was the link that is in my sig file that was made it seem fake. Either that or the two exclamation marks. I changed it to a text url that might help with the misidentify problem. Too bad my brilliant post got zapped. I don't remember it all, but I'm pretty sure I mentioned a cure for both spam AND Cancer. Too bad for the world.

On a side note, you know how they love to say stuff like 50 blogs created each second! I'm wondering if 49 of those are spam blogs. When I push the "next blog" link on Blogger, my ratio of real blogs to fake ones is skewed to fake ones.

Thanks for your volunteer work on this blog by the way.
Spocko. Author of www.spockosbrain.com the blog that is sweeping the nation! Now with 19 readers!
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#54)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:49:44 PM PDT

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I hope there are better solutions[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:26:39 AM PDT

Ah, man I was going to buy an Alienware laptop in a matter of weeks, too. I have an older desktop of theirs, and it has always seemed to work smoothly. I'm not the type to really call customer support for things like connecting to the internet, but obviously if the machine starts smoking or something, I want someone on the other end of the line who can help. I want a laptop with a desktop processor, like Alienware's Area-51 m7700. I'm not even aware of another company that makes high-end laptops like that. Any suggestions?

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Desktop replacement notebook[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 10:01:33 AM PDT

I've had a Sager notebook for 3 years. A failure in the first year had it returned to customer support. Fixed and back in two weeks, no problems since. Only complaint is that the case is not wearing well. www.sagernotebook.com

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Reliable laptops[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 08:10:54 PM PDT

I don't think you can beat Toshiba for reliability and being able to take a beating. I've owned or used many, many higher-end laptops over the years (Toshiba, Compaq, Sony, IBM, Acer, AST - remember those?) and I believe Toshibas are great. I wouldn't trade my 2yr old M200 for anything. I also once had to get a Toshiba laptop fixed while traveling in Spain and was outright flabergasted at how easy and quick it was. (The screen went dark, they had it back within a week. It was within the 3 yr warranty.)

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My Toshiba experience has been less rosy[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by CzarKasm on Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 02:12:44 PM PDT

I've gotta disagree with you on that one. Where I work, we've had two 6100's that killed the hard drives due to excess heat. On one of those, this happened THREE times over the course of 2.5 years. Also had an A40 hard drive die within a week of setting it up. Nope, no more Toshibas are allowed here.

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Alternatives to Alienware[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#44)
by Anonymous User on Mon Feb 27, 2006 at 04:09:41 PM PDT

I have an Alienware M7700 laptop. This is essentially a rebadged Clevo D900T and you will find many alternative vendors for this machine - certainly here in the UK there are four or five alternative 'manufacturers'such as AJP. Most are cheaper than alienware but don't have the redesigned mouldings behind the screen. I have found that so far the Alienware customer support has been quite good and much better than my experiences with Dell and Apple. My understanding is that Apple service is quite good in the US, however whereas Alienware's US service is not seen as good. Phil

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#63)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 12:43:16 AM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#60)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:11 PM PDT

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Computer troubles[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Red Rat on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 09:48:06 AM PDT

Yes this is a question that I had to! Who do you buy from? The majors (Dell, HP, Gateway) seem to have poor to no service and crappy computers to boot. The only solution I found was to build my own. This way I got to pick the case and power supply, the mother board, CPU and memory modules, drives etc. I picked what I perceived to be the quality parts that are available. Building from scratch is not that hard and you know what you get, how it was put in, and you learn a bit about computers. The most time consuming part is researching the parts. In the end, it is worth it. However, no such luck for laptops since they have yet to develop standardized parts. At this point, motherboards in laptops seem to be basically proprietary. The other problems is that the laptop lives in a particularly horrible environment. Building reliable parts for the laptop envrionment is probably the toughest engineering job around. But in terms of service, you gotta do it yourself.

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Just curious...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 10:05:01 AM PDT

Apple is similar in that you pay a hefty premium for a supposedly high-quality product and service. How do they actually perform? Aside from iPod scrathes, do their computers have fewer defects and do they repair/replace them quicker?

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Apple reliability[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 11:57:08 AM PDT

I work in higher ed. Our office maintains 10-12 Macs, including two high-end video machines. We purchase one or two new machines every year, cascading older machines down to less-intensive uses; this means most of our Macs have a useful life-span of 5-6 years. Until about 6 months ago, we had a 9-year-old Mac chugging away happily as a file server. We replaced it when the cascade reached its level twice. The university requires departments buying Macs to also purchase the 3-year Apple Care warranty. Service under the warranty is quick and reliable. (Our service techs are trained and authorized by Apple--that does make a difference.) Over the past ten years, we've had only two Macs die (long after the warranty expired). One of those had a motherboard that eventually failed from dirty, fluctuating incoming power; we had constant unrepeatable problems until we thought of trying a UPS unit. Now have UPSs on all CPUs to clean up the power. Personally, I bought a Mac for home use in 1997; it still does all we need it to do, with no problems encountered yet. We'll probably replace it soon, because the printer is wearing out, and nothing sold today will connect with this "antique."

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Apple reliability[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by chuckbo on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 12:39:45 PM PDT

I know that Apple isn't a solution that many on this list can use because they're bound to Windows, but I can respond to the question about Apple's user support and reliability. Over the last 10-15 years, I've occasionally called their 800 number. There are only people there until 10pm, but I've always gotten to talk to a real person that I could understand and who understood my problem. They never ask me to do unrealistic things (e.g. "do a low-level reformat of your hard drive and reinstall of your software") for simple things. They've always been very insightful. As for the reliability of the machines themselves, I think they've been just as reliable as the Windows machines that I use at work (though in a rougher environment), but I don't think Apple ever claims to be more reliable, just easier and better-supporting. (BTW, the "premium" that Apple charges for its machines was true about ten years ago, but their loaded machine is about the same as a Win loaded machine from name-brand companies.

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Apple is good[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 01:07:01 PM PDT

Yep, I have had similar, very respectable results with Apple (My old LC3 still boots up with its 12MB of RAM!) and my 6 year old Pismo laptop is still a great machine. I had one drive of my striped array in my liquid-cooled G5 die, and I called Apple tech support, they forwarded me to a guy in their server division who "couldn't officially offer me support" but he still told me everything he could think of. The sort of over-and-above results I've received from Apple every single time. I'll buy another Apple laptop, but I want a high-performance Windows laptop first. I still can't find anything better (in terms of raw performance) than Alienware's. I won't buy Dell.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#59)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:01 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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happy with laptop support[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 01:54:59 AM PDT

I have an iBook G4 and have been very happy with it in the 2 years I've had it. The harddrive started failing 3 months after purchase (the self testing mechanism of the drive, S.M.A.R.T., noted an error) and when I contacted Apple's support line and explained the problem I was told to bring the machine into a local service provider who would ship the laptop to Apple where the harddrive would be replaced. A week later I could pick up my machine again and I haven't had a single hardware problem since then. If I have one problem it is that the person I spoke to on the phone didn't sound too clued in on hardware problems, first believing it to be a software issue but he accepted that the drive was beyond rescue after a few minutes.

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Terrible Apple Support[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by MarkW on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 03:02:58 PM PDT

A friend purchased a top of the line ($2250+) Apple laptop this spring. He has had nothing but trouble with it. (I know all this because he is an artist and relies on me to help him with his computer problems.)

The problems began with random crashes of the system. So, he reinstalled the entire operating system. Same problems. A little while later the hard drive started acting up. It would pause and make funny noises for about 20 seconds, and miraculously recover. Then he decided he wanted to burn some DVDs at 8x. No go. He had one of the 8x DVD drives that would only write at a maximum of 4x.

When he returned the machine to Apple for repairs, they first told him it would be a week. After 5 weeks, he finally had the machine back. They replaced the motherboard and hard drive. They didn't even bother to acknowledge the problem with the DVD drive! (None of these problems showed up on several runs of the diagnostic programs that came with the machine.)

At this point he was so tired of all the delays in returning the machine, and the still defective DVD drive that he sold the machine. Now he's living the life of a true artist: sans-computer.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#65)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 03:08:00 AM PDT

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I'll take a Mac any day - a tale of two laptops[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#37)
by Anonymous User on Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 09:25:14 PM PDT

I have two laptops. A 3.5 year old Mac and a 4-month-old Toshiba. The Toshiba has been out for repair for two weeks now. The much older Mac has never been out for repair. This is what I typically expect in the Mac/PC debate. I have some experience in this issue. I was a network administrator at a pretty good-sized school for 7 years. I had a couple of hundred Macs and a few dozen Windows machines on the network. I consistently found the PeeCees more troublesome. Of course, some brands were more troublesome than others. Cem's Alienware was by far the worst. My recent Toshiba annoyance has confirmed my (now-even-stronger) preference for the Mac. Becky

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high end systems and name brand systems[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by petermac on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 10:18:57 AM PDT

I must admit I would be very unsure as to what to tell someone who wants a "real high performance" system. We sell all our customer's Dell business systems (Optiplex desktops, Poweredge servers and Latitude notebooks). We just don't run into hardware problems, we also only get onsite service. However would I recommend Dell's high end Dimension systems, I doubt it, they seem to change every time I'm at their site and I just don't want to play with a moving target. Here in the office we build our own systems because we can afford to take the time (and actually enjoy) sourcing and testing the parts for the computers. Would I suggest it to others or my customers, not a chance unless they knew what they are doing and willing to take the time and could do the work necessary to make it worthwhile.

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Who do you buy from now?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 10:24:32 AM PDT

I've been very happy with MPC (formerly Micron). To date there have been no long hold times for tech support (if any at all). The techs speak clear and fluent English. I believe they're based in Idaho. We've had one PC come in with an obvious hardware problem (at least it was to me). Basically, it was no questions asked and a replacement was dispatched immediately. Had that been a Dell PC, I would have been on the phone with them for hours. I should know, I've had experience with them all, Gateway, Dell, IBM. IBM is out of the question now. Sometimes I'm forced to buy Dells. We do a lot of work for them. But when I can sneak a MPC in, I do. They're not as inexpensive as the Dell's and the IBM's, but so far they're worth it. Sometimes I find refurbished ones on pcconnection.com, loaded with software, a full 3 year warranty, and then they're really worth it.

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Who do you buy from now?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 12:45:27 PM PDT

I agree 100% on the MPC brand. I head up the IT shop for a County government in Florida, and we purchase solely from MPC. Of the 300 or so systems we've purchased from them, maybe one was DOA. Any time we've had issues with hardware (which is rare and typically way beyond the first year), we get a replacement part overnighted to us. They are in Nampa, Idaho, if that matters to anyone. Fantastic products, and the service is second to none.

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Go LOCAL[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 11:45:55 AM PDT

I've noticed that while the big box stores and big e-business retailers are touting the big numbers for their systems, most of the time they're completely skimping out on all the "unknown" numbers. A 3.5Gz CPU isn't going to be perform well for you if your 2GB of memory is completely cheap and dog slow and your motherboard's front side bus (FSB) speed is crap. The big vendors will flout the big numbers while throwing tons of crap into their boxes. Customers are spending lots of money and lots of time (money) on buying and then fixing their computers from these big vendors. If somebody is willing to spend 20 hours with Tech Support, I suggest they spend 2 or 3 hours learning a little bit more about computers before their initial purchase, and then go to a small local area computer dealer. (Of course, this is hindsight for many) We have several small local computer shops that are great. My favourite is a family owned one and their 16 year old son frequently helps me out deciding what hardware to buy, and usually throws in some blank DVDs for free when I purchase anything. I can purchase the individual pieces of hardware I want, and they will order it and put it together for me. I live in a small town, and they are still able to order from their supplier and get the components the next day. All of this means that I don't have an overall warentee for the entire system, but instead each individual piece has a warentee. The small vendor cares about our relationship far more than the big players do, and I can easily talk to them in person or drop off the computer and pick it up the next day. I've been doing this for years, and I'd recommend that everybody support their locally owned computer store. Robert

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What to buy[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 12:24:15 PM PDT

I've bought a bunch of T43p's from IBM/Lenovo recently which offer good performance, great LCD screens, and so far so good. We did have a problem with one machine. Phone call was quick, they concluded it was a motherboard problem. Sent it in, machine fixed and returned in a day.

Experienced none of the horror stories I heard above.

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White Boxs are Great but...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 12:57:54 PM PDT

I have two high-end computers (A & B) that were built by a local small chain store. My reason for having them build them was to assure they bought into the hardware warranty. It was a condition of the sale that they load Windows on the computers with the full knowledge and agreement that I would be reloading the OS. Having loaded the OS, they were responsible to assure the entire system, both hardware and software, would at least play together in the same sandbox. I was able to get them to upgrade several components for the purchase. Upgraded components included high-end ASUS motherboards.

I had previously built computer C from scratch using the then top-of-the-line ASUS motherboard and should have known better this time because of a serious and persistant ASUS design flaw in that particular board, but that is another story. Computer C's motherboard is now of a different brand.

Getting back to computers A & B, computer A has performed well now for several years. Computer B is another story. It went back to the local store several times. I cannot complain about the service which was very good. But computer B was just not stable. While it was still under warranty, I finally took it to another store (one that was not stuck on ASUS) and had them put in an entirely different motherboard. The persistent failures disappeared and the computer performed well for an extended period. However, new and wonderful flaws continue to plague computer B. The hard drive has to be reformatted at least once a year. Computer C uses a different motherboard and is loaded with virtually the same application software as that on Computer B and has performed well being very stable. Regardless of the extreme care used to load the same application software on Computer B and Computer C using the same configurations, several of the applications perform differently on the two computers in ways that are important to our operations.

If we had used computers from Dell et.al., would that have assured that different generations of Dell et.al hardware executed the same version of application software the same way on both generations? I think not.

I have been basically happy with a new white box supplier chain that is slowly spreading from the western US across the south. I will continue to use them. They have given me great service although their accessory inventory is not great. (Hurray for that New England supplier with >30,000 inventory items). I recently bought a low end computer from them as a gift and then had to add some components. It was only then that I noticed the "CHEAP" case was manufactured such that it is very flimsy in places where it should not. The computer is extremely light weight for its size because the aluminum case is constructed of very thin metal and the design details do not provide adequate structural strength. Just picking up the case easily dents it if even light pressure is applied to back of the case in the card cage area. I will be careful in the future to assure that any computer I buy from them is personally specified in detail and personally inspected for structural durability inside and out before I place an order. I would never have even thought about case structural integrity before now.

Lessons learned: There is not a single reliable source of comuters in the world today UNLESS you get educated enough to work with someone who is flexible enough to build what you really want.

I recently bought a new Toshiba Tecra laptop from the Toshiba web site. Only there was I able to select from many options and virtually customize a laptop. Various components started to show up in about 4 days and it took about two weeks for the computer itself to arrive from Shanghai. I am very pleased with the result. I have had Toshiba laptops in the past and I will most likely do it again. I found an authorized Toshiba service center convenient to my home which I hope I never have to use. Its location was a factor in selecting Toshiba.

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by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 01:44:26 PM PDT

ASUS motherboards are not "premium". They are one step removed from utter crap. 'nuff said.

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Alienware... Bah!![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 01:17:45 PM PDT

I ordered a StarWars DarkSide collectors edition machine from them about a month ago. They said it would take only a couple of weeks to get the PC build, so we waited. Next thing I know I recieved a CC charge for the full about of the PC (over $5k worth). It was charged the day it was ordered. Most places only charge when the PC is ready to ship. Alienware claims this is standard with them, as they need to purchase the custom parts used to build the PC. Then all the cases went on back order with no release dates. Ok.. So I can understand back ordered parts, but their Customer Service bounced me all over creation when I requested that another case be used in place of the Darkside case, and they they ended up telling me that there was no other option for that PC. Gee looked like standard parts to me, just drop it into a different cool case and lets drive on? There was nothing special except the Alienware name, and the cool Graphics, but nobody would offer anything to help this along. After talking to them about 5 different times (and about 5 people each call on the average. None of which spoke very good english for being from Maimi Florida (frickin outsourced most likely)) trying to rush this order along, and sending email (in which never was replied to), I decided to cancel the order and have another company build one instead. They put me right over to thier "Cancelations Manager" who listened to my frustrations. She then tried to save the sale (in which I can relate to), but I insisted on the charges being reversed, and the entire order canceled. She said she would email me right away with a confirmation number, which never came. I called back within a few days only to find out that the manager I talked to didn't cancel the order after all, and put the order in a status to confirm the order cancelation with us again (aka have someone else try to save the sale). After raising total hell, the order did get canceled, I did recieve a cancelation ID, but now its two weeks later and I am still waiting on the CC to be recredited. Nobody over there can give me a damd status on it.... NEVER again will I order anything from them. Period...

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Call the credit card company[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by BytePusher on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 01:32:11 PM PDT

Call the credit card company and have them cancel the charge as fradulent. That accomplishes two things. It gets the charge removed from your account. It puts the seller in hot water from the credit card company.

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by BytePusher on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 01:34:37 PM PDT

If any correspondance was sent to you through the mail, then contact the post office. It is mail fraud. This company took your money without having anything to sell. That ain't kosher.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#57)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:23:59 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Settle with your credit company, instead[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by davidspalding on Wed Dec 14, 2005 at 10:24:37 AM PDT

Just a suggestion ... call your credit card company. Explain your efforts to cancel the order. Explain that they charged you before ever preparing or back-ordering the merchandise. Ask them to issue a "charge back" and ENSURE you make clear your REPEATED efforts to resolve this with the merchant, with negative results.

I've only had to do it once or twice, but it CAN be done. And it is not something that the merchant can "duck and cover" like your repeated phone calls.

BTW, also disputing or cancelling a transaction with your CC company prevents you from being charged interest on that charge beyond the usual 30-day grace period. Some nice firms will even credit you any interest already charged, based on your complaint. Your mileage may vary...

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Happy with Dell Laptop support[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 01:32:54 PM PDT

Bought a Dell Latitude D610 laptop and the optional 3 year extended warranty. The screen failed the first week. A ten minute call to tech support (from America, not India) confirmed the bad screen.

They overnighted a replacement screen to the local service place, and someone came out the next day at noon, replaced the screen, and left, all in less than 15 minutes. That's what I call service.

The magic seems to be a combination of NOT buying the cheap stuff from Dell Home (buy from Dell Business), and paying for the extended warranty. The level of support I got as a business customer buying from the Latitude laptop line was very different from the level others I know have gotten as home users buying from the cheaper Inspiron line.

Your mileage may vary, keep hands and feet inside moving vehicles, and objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

Just my two cents...

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Inspiron Experience Good[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jan 09, 2006 at 10:38:20 AM PDT

I've also had good experience with Inspiron and 3 year complete care warranty. Bad screen? I shipped on Friday before I left the client site, and had it back before 10 on Monday. Bad Drive? Had a new drive (old one died at 2 years 10 months) within 48 hours. Now if she dies, though it'll be toug