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The Neighborhood Comcast Forgot

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 12:07:51 AM PDT

What can you do if your local broadband monopolist doesn't want to provide service to your neighborhood? Well, one prospective Comcast customer he was at least given a choice: he could have no cable service at all or he could pay a $10,000 surcharge.


"I'm caught in one of those bureaucratic catch-22 situations that I think is happening all over the U.S.," the reader wrote. "About nine households on my street are without cable/broadband service. Comcast's predecessor had started to deploy cable service in my very neighborhood and went right up to our street, but then 'jumped' past our street and continued beyond into the next community."

After Comcast took over the previous cable company, it decided it was not bound by any commitments to extend service to neighborhoods it doesn't consider profitable enough. "For over two years now, I've been trying to get Comcast to return to the area and finish the job started originally," the reader wrote. "Comcast officials have told me that under their current 'guidelines' our whole community -- let alone my street -- should not have had cable service in the first place because the housing is not dense enough. In no way will they extend to my specific house unless I pay an extortion fee -- $9,885 was what they said in a recent letter sent to me. Of course they don't call it extortion, they call it 'costs.'"

DSL and other broadband alternatives aren't viable options in his neighborhood, so there is nothing much the reader and his neighbors can do but try to persuade Comcast to provide service to his area at a reasonable rate. "All we are asking for is the same treatment that the streets before and after ours have had," the reader said, who has been in contact with his city council, state legislators and even Congressmen on the issue without much success. "To be fair, we are not the only neighborhood in our city without service; there are pockets all over that are furious with Comcast at their lack of expansion with repeated requests."

Of course, the thing that really bothers the reader is that the Comcast has a monopoly on the cable franchise for his city, one that almost surely would not have been granted the predecessor company if it had been following Comcast's current expansion guidelines. "All Comcast is doing right now is servicing the legacy hardware they purchased," the reader wrote. "I was told by a regional supervisor for Comcast that there will be no further expansion in our city unless we build some high-density housing to make it worth their while. Since other cable companies aren't allowed to enter the area, there are no other choices. Once Comcast decides that my house isn't going to get service and the house next door is, I simply can't get service."

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Its a Down Hill Slide for the Consumer[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by srynas on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 07:08:50 AM PDT

The prospective Comcast customer is out of luck given today's legislative climate.  He is in one of those situations where the local government may be the only real alternative for broad band service. Unfortunately, both at the national and state levels there appears to be a trend by companies to obtain legislation that restricts consumer choice.  Specifically, in this case, by potentially prohibitng a governmental entity from offering a sevice that a private entity can offer.  

Specifically I am referring to the following proposed "bad" legislation:  The Broadband Investment and Consumer Choice Act, (S.1504), introduced by John Ensign (R-NV); the "Preserving Innovation in Telecom Act" (H.R. 2726), introduced by Pete Sessions (R-TX); and The "National Weather Services Duties Act" (S.786) introduced by Rick Santorum (R-PA).  Each of these bills, to varying degrees, would (if passed) limit the ability of a government entity to provide a needed service to its citizens. Like the DMCA, the proposed legislation are additional nails in the consumer's coffin.

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Exclusive franchise agreements illegal.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 09:53:17 AM PDT

Of course, the thing that really bothers the reader is that the Comcast has a monopoly on the cable franchise for his city, one that almost surely would not have been granted the predecessor company if it had been following Comcast's current expansion guidelines. "All Comcast is doing right now is servicing the legacy hardware they purchased," the reader wrote. "I was told by a regional supervisor for Comcast that there will be no further expansion in our city unless we build some high-density housing to make it worth their while. Since other cable companies aren't allowed to enter the area, there are no other choices. Once Comcast decides that my house isn't going to get service and the house next door is, I simply can't get service."
Exclusive franchies are illegal under current legislation. It would be relatively simple to sue and have the agreement dissolved if this is the case. I suspect the real case though is that other cable companies do not want to enter the area rather than being excluded from the area. The terms of low density expansion should be spelled out explicitly in the franchise agreement. The user should get a copy of the franchise agreement governing his neighborhood and it will even include a calculation for the cost of wiring. In particular, the user can probably receive a refund of costs if more households sign up for service subsequent to the neighborhood being wired. As well, the terms for denying a franchise agreement are very narrow. No city has ever successfully denied a franchise. In other words, the statement that "one that almost surely would not have been granted the predecessor company if it had been following Comcast's current expansion guidelines" is incorrect; it is unlikely that the franchise would have been denied.

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Exclusive Franchise Agreements Illegal[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 10:34:55 AM PDT

One key point that seems to be missing in this conversation is the cost of building the network to this person's house. When you figure that building a cable network today can range up to $40,000 per mile (assuming underground), and maybe $25,000 per mile for aerial construction, the $10K price quoted may not be too far off actual cost! How long would it take Comcast to make a profit on this? If you assume $100/month for cable & data, Comcast might, after all costs (programming costs, lease lines to the Internet from their headed, salary expenses, overhead, network powering costs, system maintenance, etc.), be able to apply $20/month to paying off the expense of building the network, the customer would need to stay a customer for 50 months before Comcast would see any profit from building to his home. As others stated, most cable companies will reimburse the original customer of these installation costs as others in the neighborhood also connect, but in low density situations, the ROI can measured in decades.

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50 or 500?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 01:54:09 PM PDT

<the customer would need to stay a customer for 50 months before Comcast would see any profit from building to his home.> The calculation is off a bit... it would be 500 months. But, frankly, any one single consumer is very likely to be non-profitable - it's the volume that produces the product. I don't know the economics of cable, but I doubt that there are additional costs (beyond the hardware, wiring, and infrastructure) to sending a signal to one household versus 50,000.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#51)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:43:06 PM PDT

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Exclusive franchise agreements illegal[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by whatsburning on Wed Nov 23, 2005 at 05:48:17 AM PDT

Technically, yes they are illegal but I for one cannot remember ever hearing of ANY city in the US that has more than 1 cable company "servicing" it. A large part of the rest of the world allows it. So should the US. If someone wants to pony up the money to run cable they should be allowed to. Personally, I like my choice for the last 15 years - DirecTV.

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Hahahah[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 23, 2005 at 07:07:29 AM PDT

Really? Most of the Tri-county area here in Michigan has 2 cable providers, Comcast and WOW. Comcast almost lost my business with their ridiculous rate hikes, but as soon as I threatened to go to WOW, they put be back at my old rates... And with so &*#%^&*(%^ many commercials and ads, how the hell can they get away with charging so much for Cable/Satellite TV?

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re: Hahahah[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:18:55 PM PDT

Really? Most of the Tri-county area here in Michigan has 2 cable providers, Comcast and WOW. Comcast almost lost my business with their ridiculous rate hikes, but as soon as I threatened to go to WOW, they put be back at my old rates... And with so &*#%^&*(%^ many commercials and ads, how the hell can they get away with charging so much for Cable/Satellite TV?

Your message title is pretty insulting to the original poster, and it sounds like you don't get it, seeing as you're one of the lucky few. I happen to live in the second-largest city in Michigan, and Comcast is the sole cable provider. This is the case in MANY areas of Michigan(not to mention the US); my in-laws and some colleagues are limited to Charter for cable services. Fortunately, SBC DSL is also an option where I live, and additional television options (i.e., Dish Network) exist as well, so there is competition. But you are extremely lucky if you have a choice of more than one cable provider; you are the exception, rather than the rule.

I don't know what to say to the original poster, as a free-market economy dictates that the cable company can choose who to service and who not to, and that it is likely no other cableco provides service there because they do not desire to compete with Comcast, not because of exclusive franchise rights. I can only say that I told my realtor that I would not purchase any house that did not have broadband service currently available to it. The only solutions I've seen in these cases involve people building their own DSL co-op, as some small municipalities have done. This is legal, but doesn't make Comcast too happy, and almost guarantees they'll solve the problem if enough people get together to do it. You'll still need that $10,000 to start it up though.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#49)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:42:50 PM PDT

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Build-yer-own[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by trashpicker on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 10:15:30 AM PDT

If you're looking for broadband, why not join forces with some of your brandband-enabled neighbors to build a wi-fi network? You could share in both their broadband connections and costs to the benefit of both. I'm sure it's contrary to the TOC, but considering CC's position, I wouldn't feel too bad (nor worry much) about it. Also, strong wireless gear seems to be dropping fast in price so you could probably put it together for ~$100/house or less.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#44)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:08:08 PM PDT

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Wireless[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 11:38:35 AM PDT

See if verizon covers your area. About $50 per mo.

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Comcast Forgot[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 12:39:19 PM PDT

Screw Comcast. Get a dish. Dish Network, that is.

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Go somewhere else[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Mon Nov 21, 2005 at 12:43:28 PM PDT

Comcast must not need your money, but I'm sure one of the satellite internet providers will be glad to provide service. I also like the idea of a co-op WIFI extension from a neighbor who does have service. Share the bandwidth and share the cost.

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Had exactly this happen - here's reason[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 09:42:25 AM PDT

Moved to new address without cable. Saw cable crew at end of street. Called Comcast, and after some considerable effort, got through to local Business Development group. Got survey crew out.  Comcast was happy to extend to our street (20+ houses) even though cable would have to be buried.  Got 7 neighbors ready to sign. Everything was scheduled.

Then out of nowhere a local Comcast sales guy stepped in from a different office/city/area and demanded $35K! Eventually I got the reason:

Agreement with city was to serve all addresses on public roads. We are on a private road, and thus Comcast are not legally obliged to serve us. Ergo they want a 0 month ROI, by making us pay up front. Simply put - "We can, so we will."  (True ROI, even taking their cost figure at face value was only 7 years. In practice I suspect it was truly a lot shorter tahn that.)

Neighboring area is served by Cox, who *DO* treat private roads same as public roads. But no cable company will move in on another territory. Official reason is cost of 2 separate fiber/copper networks. But true reason is that in the '80's & '90's when all the consolidation took place, trading of territories took place to eliminate pockets, creating large contiguous service areas. As part of those deals they created effective anti-compete agreements - although not called that of course.

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T-1 Not good enough[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 09:58:08 AM PDT

With Cable Internet speeds running between 6 and 8 mbps, sharing a 1.544mbps T-1 with the neighbors is going to cause some feuds.

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Competition is the answer[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 11:07:18 AM PDT

The obvious answer to this problem is to allow other video service providers to compete for the same universe of customers. The telcos have the ability to broadcast cable television through their networks and they are investing in bringing those services to neighborhoods across the country. Infortunately, the crazy franchising laws protect Big Cable's monopoly and constributes to abusive service like this. http://channelchanger.typepad.com/

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Cable and Local Govt[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 12:07:35 PM PDT

And also, don't forget that the local governing body will not likely help the individual - as these franchising fees/contracts are set up to give a percentage from the cable company to the local governing body. In other words, no help there either. (So who CAN help?)

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Comcast Cable[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 12:11:53 PM PDT

All I can say to this story is... THAT'S COMCASTIC!!!

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Yea...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 12:25:51 PM PDT

All I can say to this story is COMCAST SUCKS.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:00:46 PM PDT

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Tough Situation[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by kamnet on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 12:24:28 PM PDT

Having worked for Adelphia cable on and of as a subcontractor for the last several years, I can feel the pain of the reader. Oftentimes I'll be sent to an address to install cable or Internet services only to find that there is no access in the area.

Unfortunately, the decision to continue to build out into areas where customers want to have service isn't even in the hands of the local system. Most of the time it is in the hands of much higher ups who are more concerned with profit and budgets rather than serving customers. In Adelphia's case, it was up to a bankruptcy court who has put a halt on ALL new construction budgets for the last three years, and has only allowed a meager maintainance and repair budget. The result of which has meant that I haven't been contracted by Adelphia for nearly two years now.

Sometimes it is in the hands of the politicians. Back in 1999 BellSouth was ready to deploy DSL in most of Kentucky. However one member of the Public Utility Commission got that held up, demanded that DSL couldn't be deployed state-wide until BellSouth installed DSL in his rural hometown and achieved 90% saturation before it was rolled out across the state. It took BellSouth three years to make that happen. Adelphia, Insight and other cable operators took advantage of that and started massive digital upgrade campaigns to get cable Internet service rolled out, and cable modem is now the most popular form of consumer broadband service in Kentucky.

The only realistic option that I can see is have the neighbors band together, hire a master contractor to build out a neighborhood cable network, and then see how much Comcast would want to charge to tie into it.

Or, as suggested, lease a T1 and build your own network, or tie into a neighbor and start your own community WiFi LAN (although as mentioned this probably violated Comcasts' ToS).

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Chrage Comcast instead[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#36)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 10:42:51 AM PDT

The only realistic option that I can see is have the neighbors band together, hire a master contractor to build out a neighborhood cable network, and then see how much Comcast would want to charge to tie into it. don't see how much Comcast would want to charge to tie into it, see how much you can charge Comcast to access it. Lease them access to the customers on your cable network. You'll still be paying Comcast for programming/services, but you'd be getting some sort of return on your investment.

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Won't work like that[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#42)
by kamnet on Tue Dec 13, 2005 at 10:13:46 AM PDT

Comcast has already taken a stance that they will not invest a dime in this neighborhood. Even if you build out the network yourself, it will still be more expensive than if Comcast did it themselves, and therefore Comcast is not going to pay you for building your own network.

However, if you convince Comcast that all they have to do is send you a signal and fix that signal if/when it breaks on their end, you're going to find it easier for them to want to go into an agreement. You could probably even negotiate a lower rate than your neighbors, possibly even a bulk rate that doesn't depend on how many in the neighborhood receive a signal, since Comcast won't be the company who takes care of that.

Comcast sees "easy money". Neighborhood gets control and maintainance over their own network and are not tied to Comcast's bureaucracy. It's a win-win situation.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#46)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:08:20 PM PDT

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Sell it to Comcast[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 01, 2005 at 05:45:33 AM PDT

I'd make a slight change to your idea and offer to SELL it to Comcast. They will be getting physical assets and a realtively constant income stream, that should be worth $$ to them.

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Go Satellite[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 03:44:18 PM PDT

Comcast doesn't want to serve you. Fine. If you don't feel like establishing your own local ISP, just get either Dish Network or DirecTV. Their broadband options are a little pricier than DSL or cable, but not $10,000. And the TV service is cheaper and better.

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Bunch of cry babies[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 04:43:21 PM PDT

Hello! If it is going to cost comcast $10,000 with a payback of 500 months to run cable to your house, why should they?! Sorry, get direcway satellite internet like everyone else in your situation.

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Shut the f*** up, you spoiled b******[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 06:17:10 PM PDT

You really have to shut your f***ing mouth dumb@$$. If you were in his situation, what would you do? Sit back and let this horrendous act go by like it's nothing? The cable monopolies are a bunch of capitalistic pigs, and by you showing your support for their decision, you are the exact same as them. I seriously suggest you take a step back and look at yourself from a third-person point of view, and change your crooked beliefs.

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What are you trying to say?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 09:50:01 PM PDT

I wish you would quit beating around the bush and say what you really mean. It is so difficult to spend valuable time reading responses to important topics and then to have to wade through someone's inane drivel. Please get to the point. A person using profanity has absolutely nothing left for emphasis.

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Stop.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by foxyshadis1 on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 10:37:33 PM PDT

Stop the flamewar, please, or I'll delete all the comments. This whole subthread is going nowhere and out of line.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#48)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:42:18 PM PDT

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Retro remark[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by ricegf on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 11:00:46 PM PDT

"Capitalistic pigs"??? Now THERE's a put-down I haven't heard since the heydey of pinko communism! :-)

While it's carthegic to complain that other people don't want to receive a negative ROI for the first 42 YEARS of their investment (and gee, who wouldn't?), it's not useful.

The solution has been clearly stated here - become a "capitalist pig" yourself (rent a T1, create your own company) or support different "capitalist pigs" who can profit to your benefit (via satellite, for instance).

"The government is not the answer, it's the problem."

Disclaimer: Posted via Comcast, with whom I've been pleased for many years, and to whom I'm hopelessly loyal... until I find a better deal. :-)


----- George F. Rice It is better to copy success than to invent mediocrity.
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Start your own telephone company[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 23, 2005 at 12:34:39 AM PDT

There are several small companies in my area that have established wireless internet connections. The cost of setting up a relatively short transmission tower and building a clientele is just common business practice. The effective radius of communication from the tower is a function of the type of equipment used and limited to clear line-of-sight. There is one equipment price for about 600 feet radius and the price goes up from there as the radial distance increases.

When this is coupled with real telephone service using your PC, then the connection is complete, sans television. Check out http://www.skype.com/ for an easy way to establish essentially worldwide FREE telephone service using your PC. When set up, the local telephone company and the local internet connection are eliminated.

There is a cost to establish a land line to your location and once done, you are now in the ISP business with the responsibilities of e-mail servers, other ISP services, and 24/7 support, but hey, your neighbors within whatever radius you decide to support will help pay for it. If you don't want to go into the telephone company business, then perhaps one of your enterprising neighbors might be willing to move on it. There is no reason to fret and wring ones hands. Just work within the system to find a solution and many are doing just that.

Personally, I am about 1200 feet too far from the telephone company's main office for me to get DSL directly from them. However, I have contracted with a ISP that worked with a third party to use telephone company leased line copper to my home, install line drivers at my home and at the telephone office, connect to an internet distribution line to my ISP in another city, and then into the main internet connection. For this, I pay a premium for pretty good but costly DSL and it works. When I connect the Skype service, I can eliminate my regular telephone line with the telephone company.

There is always a way if you look hard enough.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#50)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:42:54 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#52)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:43:17 PM PDT

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