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Reader Voices: Rights Deactivation

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 12:06:31 AM PDT

Can a computer manufacturer or Microsoft legally deprive you of the right to upgrade your computer as you see fit? That's the central question readers debated in response to my recent "Piracy, Motherboards, and Microsoft" story.


As you'll recall, an E-Machines customer had discovered that neither Microsoft nor E-Machines/Gateway would grant him reactivation for his OEM copy of Windows XP after he had to replace the original motherboard. Several readers argued that, in accepting Microsoft's EULA and the discounted price of the OEM software, the customer had ceded Microsoft the right to require a new license for new hardware.

"The user purchased a computer with an OEM version of the operating system, at a deeply discounted price," wrote one reader. "The Operating System is no longer on that OEM piece of hardware. The End. Buy another license, either another OEM license from the motherboard or a full retail copy. We all read the EULA, right?"

But many other readers countered that getting a new motherboard is not like getting a new computer. "Which piece of hardware is the OEM license attached to?" wrote one. "The CPU? RAM? Motherboard? Hard drive? Power supply? Case? Keyboard? Power cord? Some random screw? They are all valid pieces of hardware in terms of qualifying for an OEM license. Where did E-Machines or Microsoft explicitly say, before or at the time of purchase, that the OEM license is tied to the motherboard? If they don't, then they have no right to make that determination at a later date and without informing the consumer."

If it is legal to deprive customers of what they paid for, that doesn't mean it's right. "We have a logical flaw in many of our discussions," wrote another reader. "In many cases we simply acquiesce to the assertion by a corporation that their bad business practices are actually legal. We then react by either advocating switching to a different product, which is an appropriate solution; or by living with the corporate definition of legal. We need to question (refute) the corporate imposed definition of 'legal' ... The customer should have a legal right to re-install the operating system. It is not pirating. We need to enhance the definition of legal to override abusive business practices."

And while some readers advocated lawsuits or political action, one reader reported success with a somewhat different legal approach. "I had this same issue with a friend of mine's Dell PC," the reader wrote. "Windows would not activate and Microsoft was being a pain and so was Dell. Real simple solution: I contacted the Attorney General of Texas, where Dell is, and filed a complaint. Two days later I received five fully licensed versions of Windows that would work just fine. I would suggest calling the Attorney General of the state that E-Machines is located in. When they purchased the machine, they purchased Windows XP and, as long as it is only installed on one machine, then they have the rights to do whatever they want with it."

Why should a computer be more restricted in what you can do with its components that any other product? "This is all an artificial problem created by Microsoft with their activation scheme," wrote another reader. "Violating the license terms is only bad because Microsoft says it is, and only to the extent that they and other can get the courts to reinterpret the doctrine of first sale to not apply to software. In the realm of physical objects, you own what you buy and you can do anything you want with it. If you want to disassemble it into component parts and reuse those parts, you are totally free to do so. You are not necessarily free to manufacture new parts due to patent and other restrictions, but when we are talking only about those parts that came directly from the object you disassembled, you have total freedom to do what you want."

What's your thinking on this subject? Add your comments to the discussion by posting them below or writing me directly at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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reusing components[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 09:42:12 AM PDT

Actually, we don't have complete rights over the components on all other products.  A car, for instance, can be modified some.  But there are a lot of rules for what modifications are legal in what states and districts.  In Washington State, for instance, you can only tint the side windows so much, you can't disable the catalytic converter, turn lights need to be amber, etc.

I don't recall what part of the car the VIN is linked to, but at some point of changing out parts, it is considered a different car.  You can do quite a lot, but you can't do just anything.

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Who restricts changes?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by ajcook on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 11:01:23 AM PDT

True, there are limations on the mods to a car, such as you described. However, those limitations are prescribed by regulations, not by the manufacturer. The buyer-maker relationship is such that the maker can't restrict the user. I could completely blacken the windows, and scrub the VIN, if I wanted to--as long as I planned to never take my car out of my garage.

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Not quite the same[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 11:15:44 AM PDT

The vehicle laws you're referring to affect your right to operate that car in that state - they don't affect your ownership of the car or your right to use it otherwise.  So you tint your windows too dark - you still own the car, you can still break it down to parts, you can sell the parts or the whole car, you can further modify it, you can start it up, you can even operate it on the roads - though you risk a fine in doing so.  It's still your property.  If you lose a wheel, you can put another on and it's still your property.

That's quite different from the Windows case where, if you are unable to use the same motherboard, your rights to the software cease entirely.  You effectively do not own it anymore (if, as "licensing" would have it, you ever did at all.)  Notice that we're not talking about *modifying* Windows at all.  We're talking about using it, as is, as Microsoft built it, on a different computer.  It seems to me the two are entirely independent entities (Microsoft didn't make the motherboard and vice-versa), but apparently the vendors disagree.

This is just part of the continuing effort of software vendors to manipulate the terms of sale to their greater benefit.  It has been going on for years.  Though I don't expect it to happen, I'd like to see a return to the time when software was licensed to the user (or number of users) rather than to the hardware - particularly now that dual- and multi-core machines are coming out.  Vendors are gearing up to charge multiples of the base price for one license to the software that runs once on a computer - just because it happens to have multiple cores in it.  The program still runs only one copy, and has the same number of users as it would in a single-core machine, it just runs faster.  So why should we pay more for the same software on different computers?


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Higher cost software on more capable machines[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 11:50:06 AM PDT

The program still runs only one copy, and has the same number of users as it would in a single-core machine, it just runs faster. So why should we pay more for the same software on different computers?

This practice has been going on for years with software such as MVS, CICS, & Oracle written (mostly) for enterprise class servers. The more processing power there is, the more you pay - even though only one copy of the software may be running on any given box. And, if you change your box during the license period, you better believe you can't just transfer the license over - you have to start all over again, although maybe with some proration from the old license.

Nevertheless, I do not think the discussed offense by MS and eMachines is equivalent - for small server and desktop machines this practice is ludicrous.


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Higher Cost[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 12:10:25 PM PDT

You're right - this doesn't apply to the Microsoft and eMachines case. I was going off on a bit of a tangent there, sorry about that. It's only similar as far as "vendors manipulating the terms of sale."

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#77)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:18:53 PM PDT

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Not precisely[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 02:16:47 PM PDT

Mainframe software is indeed frequently licensed by machine capacity, but that's based on the assumption that a larger machine can and will service more users. And if you do change the machine, you sure can transfer the license -- any mainframe vendor who didn't allow that would be out of business pretty quickly (even CA). Now, if you *upgrade* the machine, you sure may have to pay for the difference between the old license "size" and the new one, but that's a different matter.

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Consumers would never go for that...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 12:17:54 PM PDT

Such dual & multi-core pricing won't last long. Micro$$$oft was at least "right" in treating a multi-core PC as one machine as that's the direction that "standard" computers are headed. Imagine if Doom 3 cost twice as much for a dual-core version, or if M$ charged twice as much for dual-core version of Office because WordArt and Access ran "that much better". People would leave in droves.

Oracle's pricing model will change soon, especially once single-core processors are no longer available. Quad- and even 8-core CPUs are no longer fantasy, both on the server & client side. That means that as the number of CPU cores increases exponentially to infinity, Oracle's price will do the same, while SQL Server will remain constant... I can't see such pricing models being more than temporary.

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You can do that those things[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 11:29:22 AM PDT

Actually I'm pretty sure that the law forbids operating the vehicle if those changes are made, not the making of said changes. That is typical of how things are written. This is an important distinction, it is easy for forbid what you can do with something but not to something in a given state.

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You can do that those things[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 11:40:24 AM PDT

To clairfy, "the law forbids operating the vehicle" ON PUBLIC HIGHWAYS "if those changes are made". We assume cars are going to be driven on public roads - not always. If you are GM, Ford, or Consumer Reports, and have your own test track then none of those rules apply. You also don't have to have a liscense plate or use gasoline with highway use taxes. If you take it off road or have a farm and only use the vehicle for farm use, the rules don't apply.

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Public vs. private roads[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#45)
by swaim on Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 09:53:47 AM PDT

Actually, if you're not going out onto public streets, not only does your vehicle not need to be street legal, you also don't need a license to drive. (One of the things I learned visiting my grandparents' farm.)

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You are confusing the argument[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by ekuns on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 03:01:41 PM PDT

In terms of rights, yes, you have the right to do just about anything with the parts of an automobile that you purchase. You can buy two cars, disassemble both of them, and mix and match the parts at will. You can melt the parts down and make something new out of the scrap iron. You can remove the auto engine, fuel tank, and windshield and use them in your home-designed helicopter. The auto manufacturer cannot prevent you from doing any of this. You can also replace any part you wish with an aftermarket part with the full expectation that the auto engine will not be artificially disabled by the presence of aftermarket parts.

The auto equivalent would be for an engine to refuse to start if it detects that you have replaced the alternator or the starter or the brakes with a non-OEM part. We are not saying that if you break the engine that the OEM is responsible for making it work. We are saying that the OEM should not artifically prevent things from working just because they have the techological capability of doing so.

Now, the government has the right to restrict what kind of motor vehicle you can operate on public roads, but when we are talking about the right of first sale, this is a tangential point that has nothing whatsoever to do with first sale. You are talking apples and oranges.



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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#78)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:19:02 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#69)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:56:36 PM PDT

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Just like non-transferable warranties[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by kubulijohn on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 11:50:19 AM PDT

Microsoft wants to sell more licenses, so they will make it easy to "lose" your license. Just like companies that offer "non-transferable" warranties. What, just because I give my almost new widget to someone else, the manufacturer won't stand behind it any more? Of course not, if doing so increases the chance that the recipient will buy their own instead.

We as a consuming public allow this type of behaviour by tolerating it, so I guess in some ways we deserve the consequences.

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Motherboard[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 12:00:01 PM PDT

I wonder if they will let you use the OS on a completly different machine with the original motherboard?

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OEM Motherboards[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 16, 2005 at 11:40:38 AM PDT

Using Microsoft logic and attaching the OEM version of XP to the original computer equipment, then even replacing the faulty motherboard with another identical OEM board should not have been legal. Yet I have not heard of any lawsuits by Microsoft against computer manufacturers for selling replacement motherboards. Therefore, I would think that by allowing the motherboard to be replaced with another OEM board, it should also allow the motherboard to be replaced with any model.

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Sell more licenses[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by SafeMode on Wed Nov 16, 2005 at 10:31:43 AM PDT

"Microsoft wants to sell more licenses, so they will make it easy to "lose" your license."

Which is exactly why while publicly decrying spyware, viruses and malware they secretly adore it as licenses are consumed daily.

This explains why it's taken so long for them to release any kind of real protection, besides the paradox of "this protection should already be in the OS - why must I pay extra for it?"

Now it is clear why they want to move to a "subscription model" where you pay through the nose in perpetuity to "rent" your software and keep your data and software "safe" and "secure".

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#70)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:21:09 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Rights Deavtivation[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 12:03:43 PM PDT

It is interesting that Microsoft would support the OEM position in this case since the replacement of a motherboard does not in any way enhance the risk of software piracy. That danger comes in the replacement of a disk drive, which could be put into another machine as a pirated version. However, since disk drives sometines crash, MS and the OEM do not want to lock the definition of a "single machine" to them. The reader who refers to "deep discount" misses the legal point, which is that fair use is not price dependent unless that is explicitly stated at the time of purchase. All in all, both the OEM and MSFT are looking to deprive the buyer of use of a license for reasons that are not clearly stated at the time of sale and are not explicitly stated in the EULA. The idea that an unsigned EULA is so strong that it is the basis for broad implied rights beyond the initial EULA wording is perhaps more scary than the EULAs as written.

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MS, EMachines Loss of License[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 01:46:54 PM PDT

This practice (terminating license when the motherboard needed replacement) is just the flip side of consumers ripping off a software manufacturer by making illegal copies of the software. This is the software manufacturer ripping off the consumer by stealing what was his -- the right to use the software he paid for. I second the idea of a previous poster: contact the attorney general of the state in which E-machines has its headquartes, and contact the attorney general of Washington state, home of Microsoft.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#81)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 03:02:39 AM PDT

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And I assume the opposite is true too?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 12:17:16 PM PDT

If you are forced to buy a full (non-OEM) version of Windows because of a new motherboard and then decide to later upgrade/replace the rest or your PC EXCEPT for the motherboard, I assume that Microsoft has restrictions than prevent you from doing that too without buying another copy from them? He who owns the gold, makes the rules...

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It's a plain ol' rip-off[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by The Masked Marauder on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 12:18:52 PM PDT

Here is a fitting analogy to this situation: the engine in my car ran out of oil and seized up, so I had to replace the engine. Now my key refuses to start the new engine because I'm not using the original engine that was "licensed" with that key.

This line of thinking is pure, unadulterated bull! The motherboard is only one of many vital components inside the computer, all of which are subject to failure without warning. Replacing any or all of them should not invalidate the operating system license, any more than changing the battery or tires on your car would invalidate your driver's license.



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The point of licensing[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 01:08:10 PM PDT

I was wondering when someone would make the appropriate automotive analogy. But, to the point - licensing the software to one particular machine is ridiculous. What they need to do is license the software to one individual for use on one PC at a time. (Of course, you would need provisions to allow other users in the household, such as a spouse and/or children.) This way, I am not pirating the software and, if I choose to upgrade my PC or purchase an entirely new one altogether, I'm still not in violation. This approach, I believe, is logical and accomplishes the advertised purpose of DRMs and EULAs. Of course, it will never be done because the software companies' real goal is to squeeze more money out of users, not protect their product.

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licensing per user or per hardware[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 16, 2005 at 09:45:37 AM PDT

And probably the main reason they license per hardware instead of per user, is that it is technically easier.  How do you really have any control over piracy when it is licensed per user?  Especially without a phone home feature?  So they license it per hardware, attempt to justify it, because that is a simpler solution for them.  Sure, it makes their users unhappy, but they like the alternative even less.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#73)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:18:31 PM PDT

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Here's a thought...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 01:20:18 PM PDT

Can a computer manufacturer or Microsoft legally deprive you of the right to upgrade your computer as you see fit?

If Sony has their way, yes. "You'll lose the right to play our CD if you add iTunes since you might copy a song or two to an Ipod..."

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the OEM purchase[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Pakeha on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 02:06:43 PM PDT

Microsoft is not the heavy here, and nor is the computer Mfgr. MS sold the computer vendor a copy of XP at a discount and the Vendor sold the end user the computer/software as a package. The reason the end user purchased this package is price. Not clearly delineated is the EULA is that the computer and software are a bundle. One part fails the the unit is not operational - everything is toast. That is the risk the end user took in making the price performance choice. Of course it is easier to blame everybody else when the computer fails, but the fact remains it is the end user's risk not the OEM Mfgr or Microsoft

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OEM Purchase[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 02:57:00 PM PDT

Under this logic, when I buy a car and the engine siezes due to an oil leak, I just need to throw out the rest of the car.  I think not, even though the car was sold as a package, I can replace the engine.

It is not just a hardware thing with a car.  The car probably has electronic fuel injection and software to run the system.  Ford cannot make me re-buy the EFI module/software just because I replace the engine.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#76)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:18:48 PM PDT

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And who is the heavy?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 03:19:32 PM PDT

So who is the heavy? It's not Microsoft, it is not the OEM so it must be the buyer... You've got to be kidding. The OEM is the entity that priced motherboards at double their going cost and would not provide their customer a key. Whether they are the "heavy" or not they would never get another dollar from me.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#74)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:18:38 PM PDT

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And who is the heavy?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 03:20:11 PM PDT

So who is the heavy? It's not Microsoft, it is not the OEM so it must be the buyer... You've got to be kidding. The OEM is the entity that priced motherboards at double their going cost and would not provide their customer a key. Whether they are the "heavy" or not they would never get another dollar from me.

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the OEM purchase[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 03:38:47 PM PDT

"MS sold the computer vendor a copy of XP at a discount and the Vendor sold the end user the computer/software as a package. The reason the end user purchased this package is price."
You are making an assumption that the user could have purchased the same computer without MS Windows and installed a retail version while paying a higher price. I strongly doubt Emachines would have sold him the computer without Windows.

I thought a retail version of Windows would be the answer to this problem until I looked at a Windows package at Staples this weekend. The print on the box indicated that it too had product activation. MS wants a copy of Windows sold with every PC purchase regardless of what OS the enduser wants to run.

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Why are computers special in this regard?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by ekuns on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 05:29:35 PM PDT

No other bundle works like this. If I purchase a camera/flash card bundle, they certainly aren't going to prevent me from using the flash card with another camera. Nor are they going to tell me that I cannot use the camera if the flash card they sold me dies.

When you buy an auto, you are getting a huge b