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The Lenovo Effect

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:05:07 AM PDT

What will become of IBM's legendary support now that its PC business is owned by Chinese computer manufacturer Lenovo? IBM and Lenovo insist that nothing's changed, of course. But now whenever a ThinkPad customer has a problem as in today's tale, it's going to be impossible not to at least wonder if it's because of Lenovo.


"I have just been billed $953.41 for a new screen on a two-year old laptop," a reader recently wrote. "I have a three-year parts and labor warranty on the T40. My wife and I, who are in are mid- to-late 60's and retired, have been accused by IBM /Lenovo of damaging the screen."

The reader's laptop had long displayed some lemon-like tendencies, but he had assumed he could rely on IBM's warranty. "Back in April I'd had to send it in to IBM's repair facility in Tennessee because it had crashed to a blue screen," the reader wrote. "I went through the diagnostics with the support tech over the phone and they thought it was a problem with motherboard or the video adapter. I don't know what was done specifically, but I got it back in just a few days."

At first the reader thought the laptop was fixed, but then a new problem developed. "Shortly after receiving the machine back I noticed, from time-to-time, a 'blink' every once in a while on the screen," the reader wrote. "After a couple of months it got progressively worse, so much so that the screen started to go black intermittently. After a couple of weeks of this nonsense I called IBM Tech support. We went through all the diagnostics again and everything passed. I then hooked up the laptop to another monitor and saw the screen clearly and there was no 'blackout,' so they concluded it must be the monitor."

Again he was instructed to send the computer to Tennessee. "A few days later I got the call telling me my computer was being held hostage for $953.41 because I damaged it!" the reader wrote. "The gentleman who told me this was not a tech support type - he admitted he was in Atlanta and hadn't seen my computer himself. I guess he's the heavy who is in charge of telling customers their warranty isn't going to be honored."

The reader tried to explain how unlikely it was he or his wife could damaged the ThinkPad but to no avail. "Except for these trips to Tennessee, the computer was never out of the house," the reader wrote. "We have no grandchildren, we are the sole users, and it sits on a table. I think they damaged it, or it's just a lemon. I tried calling that gentleman back a few days later to get more information about what was wrong with my computer - two months later I'm still waiting."

The reader can't help but suspect that the pre-Lenovo IBM would not have treated him this way. "This is third ThinkPad I've owned personally, and I purchased thirty more for my company back when I was working," the reader wrote. "I know before they sold the ThinkPad business to Lenovo that IBM's warranty costs versus revenue were higher than the rest of the industry. So I guess it isn't surprising that Lenovo is getting tougher on warranty items. Maybe I am coming in at the wrong time."

Of course, the reader didn't know when he bought this ThinkPad that he'd be dealing with Lenovo before the warranty expired. And we can't know for sure if his experience would have been any different if IBM still owned the business. However, should anyone from IBM or Lenovo want to look into his case to see whether he was treated fairly, his dispute ticket number is 8084648. One thing I do know from experience is that the old IBM would want to check that out, so perhaps we will see if the Lenovo effect makes any difference.

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Lenovo effect[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 08:54:56 AM PDT

I'll be watching this one very closely since I'll be in the market for a laptop for my daughter to take to college next year. I've already decided not to buy from Dell again due to their service going into the toilet. I've been leaning strongly toward IBM, in large part because of their service reputation, but if their service is going to deteriorate under Lenovo, they won't get my business.

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Get a Toshiba[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 10:36:26 AM PDT

While any brand can experiance troubles, and have it's own set of horror stories, I'm on my second Toshiba, and I love it. We bought an HP for my Dad two years ago, and while the HP has had no problems, the quality difference between the two is noticable to me. I also like the Toshiba feature set better. I'd recommend a Toshiba ti any prospective laptop buyer.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#78)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:28:33 PM PDT

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Bouncing it up[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 11:08:33 AM PDT

For what it is worth, I have brought this article to the attention of my contacts within Lenovo and IBM.

Robert Rosen
President
SHARE Inc.

(For those who don't know, SHARE is the oldest IBM user group, founded in 1955.)

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#79)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:28:42 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Lenovo Quality[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 11:11:15 AM PDT

In the past 4 months we have purchased about a dozen ThinkPads for various people in our company. Of these 12, 3 had to go back to the manufacturer or be replaced either upon delivery or within a month. A 25% failure rate. In the past, the saying was that nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. I guess that is not going to be true for Lenovo.

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Lenovo Effect[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 04:28:21 PM PDT

The 3 year warranty on my T30 just expired. Some months ago, the video adapter went south and I was supplied with a box in which to return the Thinkpad to IBM for service. I had it back in 3 days in perfect working order. Subsequently, I encountered a problem with the PCMCIA slot, where I could not use both a wireless adapter and a USB 2.0 adapter. Something was obviously wrong with the slot. I called and was walked through some tests and a reverting of the system by a tech person in Atlanta. After a pleasant time on the phone, she asked that I see how that worked for a while and, if I was still unable to use both cards in the slot at one time, to call again and they would send me a box. Ultimately, that is what happened and the process was repeated, where I had the laptop back in 3 days that spanned a weekend! The second servicing was post Lenovo, just a couple of weeks ago. The phone service people could not have been more polite or service-oriented (no pun here), and the technician who worked on the system enclosed a record of what was done and enclosed a card I can use if the system does not perform to MY satisfaction. Reading Ed's retelling of the poor experience of another reader gives me pause, but if I had to act based on my own experience, it would be to again buy a ThinkPad, the best laptop I have ever owned, and my second. Gabe

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Me, too[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 07:46:14 AM PDT

I am looking at buying a laptop, too, and Thinkpad was a possible contender until I read this and the below. HP/Compaq won't be making the sale, either, because of various difficulties I've heard of in recent years. Bruce Johnson, Herndon Va. (Too lazy to register on yet another bulletin board.)

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#77)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:47:15 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Lenovo[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by jkevinm80 on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 11:11:06 AM PDT

I am not shocked or surprised. IBM support, like most other laptop manufacturers, was starting to fail before then. I am sticking with Dell and HP for now, but I am very unhappy with their current support efforts. Pretty soon, we are all going to have to be able to wield a soldering iron to keep our laptops going. The big issues are starting to arise in the large corporate deployments of ThinkPads. Suddenly the folks I know who work for big companies are getting terrible service. The thing these organizations don't realize is that when the "dumb down" their consumer support, their business support follows it no matter how hard the try to keep them seperate.
No matter where you go..... There you are!
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Lenovo worse than IBM[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by jlemoo on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 11:27:52 AM PDT

I've had pretty good luck with support, but sales is a different matter. Ordered three thinkcentre PCs back in June, and it was September and they still hadn't shown up. We cancelled, but it was difficult to cancel. I'm still thinking the computers might show up here someday, and I'll have to refuse delivery. What's worse is they charged me for shipping the entire order (some other items on the order did ship), but only shipped half of it. This is criminal. Lotsa luck to me getting my shipping $$ back. We have ALWAYS used IBM products, but I'm not so sure how much longer our policy will remain.
Joseph LeMay
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It may be Lenovo -- it's certainly the T40[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by OldFossil on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:24:58 PM PDT

This is not the first horror story I've heard about screens on the T40. The situation described matches exactly the screen issues a colleague of mine had with his T40. I think Lenovo/IBM should just recall all T40's and replace them. Of course, that will never happen. Fortunately for my colleague, he had a "business" account and an ironclad warranty, so at least he got a new machine.

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First experience was pretty sad[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Debbie P on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:42:48 PM PDT

I bought a refurbished IBM ThinkPad about 2 years ago from a local warehouse catalog. I've never had a laptop before, but I wanted an IBM because of what I had heard about their support and service.

For the last few weeks, the machine started displaying odd behavior, such as rebooting if I moved it or picked it up, and freezing up. Finally, last weekend, when it froze up and I attempted to reboot it, it merely showed me the splash screen and refused to boot any further.

When I called support, I was told that the billing department was not in during the weekends and that I would have to call back on Monday to be pre-approved before I could send the laptop in. When I did call back, no one could figure out what I was talking about. Finally after about a half hour on hold, I was transferred to billing, who took my credit card information and told me I'd be getting a box to send the laptop in. I was quoted a general range of prices, depending on what the problem might be.

I sent the laptop in, and never did hear from anyone what the problem was or what would be done to fix it. To my surprise, I received it back quickly, with a sheet explaining that my motherboard and CPU had been replaced. So I started up the laptop, and lo and behold, it still refused to boot past the splash screen.

When I called customer service back to explain that I had received my laptop back supposedly fixed, but still with exactly the same problem as when I sent it in, I was told that it had been fixed and tested and had worked fine with their hard drive. However, when I asked if they had tested it with my hard drive, he admitted that they hadn't.

He further told me since the machine could boot to BIOS but not Windows, that that was a Windows software issue and not their problem. He told me that if I wanted them to re-image my hard drive, it would cost a further $187 (on top of the $600 I found out they had charged for the hardware replacement). I was also told that if I wanted to do it myself, I needed to reinstall Windows. I asked how I was supposed to do that if I couldn't boot my laptop. He said I needed a recovery disk. However he also told me that they no longer provided recovery disks and that I would have to contact my re-seller for one. He also gave me a URL for new drivers he said I needed to download (it was not explained to me how I would download drivers if I couldn't boot the machine. I know there are ways, but I was pretty frustrated by then).

And that was it. He told me, "So that's what you need to do, OK?"

I finally found a boot floppy and called a friend in Texas who helped me install Windows over itself in about 15 minutes. I wish I had called him first.

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Documentation with return[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 04:58:13 AM PDT

Something sounds very wrong here. I recently sent my T-42 in for loose external power jack that was fixed and returned in record time. Accompanying my shipping box was a manifest/check list of installed and included parts (CPU, hardrive, PC cards, power supply, cords, etc.) that I needed to fill out with the returned laptop. It seems bizarre that if the harddrive was included/listed (and I removed mine as that was NOT the issue) that it would NOT have been tested with the rest of the system, ESPECIALLY before replacing the motherboard.

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Reinstalling Windows / Recovery - make backups 1st[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 05:07:39 AM PDT

It is true that my T-42 came without an XP reinstall disk. However, it does come with the capability of generating one from the internally stored set-up routines. This points out the need to IMMEDIATELY make a copy of this, burned to several CD's before doing anything else (and it is always tempting to play with a new laptop first and put off this task until later - if ever...)

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Hi[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#44)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 05:07:51 AM PDT



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Problems with IBM in the past[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:39:03 PM PDT

[engage rant mode]

I have been very disappointed with IBM's Thinkpad support for many years now. So, I cannot say that I am surprised with the problems that people have been having with Lenovo.

My last straw with IBM was with a Thinkpad X21 (now a few years old). This thing is a piece of crap. I had an on-site warranty, but the chuckle-heads that IBM contracts to repair things are a joke. One of the repair techs admitted that he had never worked on a Thinkpad before---usually only the larger IBM products. (It was really sad, too. Really big guy, really tiny screws don't go together.)

Anyhow, I gave up on the on-site thing, and started sending it to their IBM's laptop repair facility on a regular basis, so I got another laptop (an HP 1100 Tablet PC---one of the few laptops that have a touchpoint-like pointer) to use when mine was constantly away being tweaked.

So, after no fewer than nine trips to IBM, they never did fix the problem (if you raise the X21 without a docking station with one hand, the X21 will hang or turn off.) (There is way too much flex in this laptop case.) I cannot complain too much about IBM's thinkpad support because I have only had the computer returned to me twice where it will not start.

Needless to say, I will not be purchasing another Thinkpad for a looooong while. It was not the only Thinkpad I have had problems with, and I have had some good experiences with HP and Sony laptops. As for DELL, Halloween is a good time to discuss the horror stories I have heard from many people.

[end rant mode]

I guess I am trying to say that IBM's support had been waining for a few years now, and Lenovo is being blamed for what has been the inevitable result of IBM's support trends for this product line.

As for the Thinkpad, I must say that the support for this product line is still orders of magnitude better than Maxtor's MaxAttach NAS devices. (Does anyone still have a 4100 that still works?)

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Thanks for the warning[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:04:42 PM PDT

I ordered a new Toshiba laptop last week and will be ordering many more laptops in the near future. I studied the offerings of IBM, Sony, Toshiba, and my local white box provider. I used to be an HP bigot in the early 80's but I have given up on getting anything from them ever again, including their printers because of their rapidly declining quality and service. I tried to evaluate IBM's technical offerings on their web site (Levono's really but with an IBM URL), but found their published data incomplete and misleading with some of the features being substandard. Sony was quickly dismissed. I have to give credit to previous contributors to this column for reinforcing my opinions about HP and IBM.

It is really too bad when the CEOs, top managers, and Boards of Directors of major companies become subservient to their bottom line such that they care more about the bottom line and lining their collective greedy pockets than preserving the reputation and long life of their companies. This has become a way of life for the industrial life blood of the American culture and the computer industry is not immune. We wonder why our crucial steel industry has declined so much and lost so much stock value and it is because the owners and CEO's have raped the value of their companies by allowing the production plants themselves to wear out and deteriorate and thus the products decline in quality until the best steel products in quantity now come from off-shore. The same can be said for textiles, cement production, semiconductors, silicon wafers for semiconductors, production equipment for semiconductors, and more recently with the aircraft manufacturing industry.

A major aircraft manufacturer has been domestically laying off their highly experienced engineers and technical specialists for many years and shipping those functions off to India, Moscow, Russia, and other parts unknown. When incompetent engineers and support people at IBM screw up, a computer catastrophically fails and people get very irritated. When designs for airplanes are produced by incompetent and inexperienced engineers and then manufactured by incompetent and inexperienced personnel, airplanes fail catastrophically and people die. But what the heck, the people who caused this problem in the first place are long gone, having siphoned off millions in bonuses, dividends, and golden parachutes into their pockets and are well into retirement with no guilty conscience that serious debris and destruction has been left in their wake. They have their money, they just don't care about anyone else.

Universal greed is a total abomination and is rapidly decreasing the real intrinsic value of many companies, in some cases making their stock market price not representative of their true value. True company value is diminished and walks out the door every time an experienced person quits or is laid off, often by the thousands. When those functions are moved off-shore to be provided by low-paid inexperienced and incompetent engineers, the intrinsic value to the company is further severely diminished because the product of their labors will likely be deficient and flawed meaning that the results of their labors translate directly into defective final products, which may be airplanes. In many cases, the supposed savings created by eliminating experienced personnel is then converted to a bogus savings and bogus profit which is then converted to a bogus corporate dividend which is then siphoned off and pocketed by the CEOs and top managers with bonuses and the major stock holders with dividends before the market price tumbles and leaves the rest of us with essentially worthless stock.

It used to be that products were once chosen based on their features. Now the prudent buyer of products with significant value will also check the financial stability of the manufacturer and perhaps even the internal management philosophies. HP used to be considered the #1 employer in the USA for the treatment of its employees, the quality of its products, and a sure knowledge that anything you bought at HP would not only be the technical leader in its field, but that the quality would be unsurpased. More recent HP leadership has totally violated HP's own internal core values and now we see the result. It appears that IBM is going that way as well. What a shame for national treasures that have now become tarnished and corroded. We aren't dead yet because the wise among with us always choose carefully and vote with our wallets. Maybe it is not too late for some industries to turn around. Maybe it is too late. If it is too late, then we had all best get used to be service providers and get along on service provider's wages because that is the inevitable outcome.

What is really tragic about all of this is that some very misguided people have transferred USA high and low technology off shore with the intent of destroying the USA Gross National Product plus the dumbing down of USA technical expertise. Their cousins have been actively dumbing down the school systems for many years. These subversive groups have been very successful. What is tragic is that the off-shore entities could have been brought up to the level of the USA, instead these misguided people have attempted to lower the USA economy to the level of third world countries. We complain about IBM's laptops thinking perhaps that a little nudge on our part might get IBM to respond a little better to our complaints. That may work for one or two of us but the real problem is systemic and much, much more serious. The actions of some of our elected officials really demonstrate their hostility toward all of us. We complain about poor service on laptops and our elected officials have backed legislation that made our complaints inevitable. If you want to fix it, follow the money and fix it there. Otherwise we are playing the age old game of "ain't it awful" and that accomplishes little.

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Re: Thanks for the warning[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by dliesse on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 02:06:53 PM PDT

I don't disagree much with anything you said, but do feel the need to place a fair share of the blame on the buying public. The US has turned into a country of idiots, as far as I can tell, and the only thing that matters to anyone anymore is price. There is no other explanation for the popularity of Wal-Mart, for example, which became ubiquitous by selling cheap stuff (in terms of both price and quality) -- note that I can't comment on their quality today, because they turned me off years ago and I refuse to shop there again (and I shopped then only because there was no other place in town).

If more of the huddled masses would start considering the value they get for what they spend, then maybe the higher quality products and service will return. Until then, I'm afraid we're doomed to inferiority.

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thanks for the warning[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#37)
by Anonymous User on Tue May 30, 2006 at 04:46:43 PM PDT

Dear Annonymous User: From the length and initial tone of your posting, I was going to blow it off as just another rant; but it all turned out to be the "real deal, a clear thinking, comprehensive overview--- accurate, precise, tragically correct. Thanks for taking the time to spell it out.

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Hi[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 05:07:49 AM PDT



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Looks like IBM is learning the Dell model[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:34:41 PM PDT

Cheap products and shoddy customer service.

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Experiences with my T40 (positive)[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:47:12 PM PDT

Recently I put my ThinkPad T40 in for service for the common problem with the USB 2.0 ports. That involved a motherboard replacement under warranty, and things went off like clockwork. However, when I got my machine back there was a cluster of dead pixels. It was immediately apparent that it was caused by impact damage. Pixels don't die together like that spontaneously. I sent it back and explained that in the time since it left my hands to the time that it came back to me, there was no possibility of it having received that kind of damage. So off back to repair it went. This time, I had to wait approximately 2 weeks, since they had to get the screen shipped from overseas. However, they did replace it without charge. Therefore I have relatively mixed feelings. While the final outcome was acceptible, the lengthy amount of time between when I put the machine in to when I finally got it back (nearly 1 month) was not.

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Lenovo pre-sales support terrible[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 07:47:02 PM PDT

I just gave up trying to buy $1000 of TP parts on IBM's website. This was the worst experience I've had from a vendor who hasn't even taken my money yet.

- It started when I tried to place a web order in the evening for a tax exempt institution.

- The tax exempt status has to be set up by phone.

- They man the phones only 5 days a week. What other web merchant does that?

- Even when they claim to be open, you have to leave voicemail for the sales people!

- who then don't call back within the time they said they would.

- The salesman then transferred me to a third world country connected by a low quality phone line to someone who could hardly speak English.

- That person then ignored my statement about the problem I was having retrieving my cart and told me to try the stock answers that had already failed.

If they're that bad before they have my money, what are they like after?

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Cor-pirations[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by wawadave on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 09:25:05 PM PDT

This is sad to see a good company like ibm. fall so low and to have these type of things done to the consumers. where oh where will the greed machine stop.
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o the humanity[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 09:52:00 PM PDT

when o when will the greed machine stop. o please make it stop... give us the godless commies they have to be better than that. except they aren't. greed will get you not just good but great service. don't believe me? shop at a high end store for anything and compare the service to wally world. the difference is not greed as both are greedy, it is just that one has to cater and the other doesn't. it takes a long time for service to slow down sales... as dell if you want to see a company rolling down that hill, or if you want an example of the fall Gateway. individual computers and individual cases will always have good and bad endings but when the majority are bad it is because the company chooses that to be the situation. lenovo will prove whether it is a greedy company and wants more sales or a greedy company that wants lower costs.

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Can you lay off a little?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by foxyshadis1 on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 05:47:16 PM PDT

Seriously, we get that you consider corporations pirates, but do you honestly think anyone is going to take you seriously here ranting in every thread with atrocious spelling and grammar? You do your cause a disservice if you approach it like an NES game - just mash the buttons until you win. At least pick a target (not nebulous "Cor-pirations") and an actual course of action, or you're just pissing into the wind.

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Spelling police[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by wawadave on Tue Jun 20, 2006 at 10:14:31 AM PDT

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Almost goof-proof driver updates![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 05:14:36 AM PDT

One of the GOOD things about owning these is that they finally got updating drivers and software almost right. As the machine profile is compared to the downloadable XML-tagged driver files, getting the right updates is virtually effortless - far better than Dell, Toshiba, HP, etc. This is a major pain of ownership for laptops where drivers seem to get updated monthly.

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Lenovo/IBM[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 11:04:32 AM PDT

Seems my old company has really done a nose dive since the 90's.. after 15 years at IBM, my recollection of service/warranty work is waaay different!! WE fixed stuff back then.. or got it replaced. Too bad the Old Company isnt still around. The new companies (DELL, Gateway, HP/Compaq,etc) dont seem to care anymore about customers either. Maybe if Mr. Dell had to call for help on his own lines he would have a better grasp of why people get so angry. BUT, the folks at the top have flunkies and assistants to do that work. c'est la vie!!

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Thanks for the info[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 03, 2005 at 11:24:36 AM PDT

I, too, have been considering a laptop purchase. I had already decided against Dell because of my experience with their declining support on my desktop. I had pretty much decided against Gateway because of the horror stories I had heard about their declining service, as well. Ditto for HP and Sony. Since IBM has now been removed from the mix, that leaves me with Toshiba or a 2nd tier provider. I have had a Toshiba laptop and my wife currently uses one for work - and it really gets abused. Both were/are rock solid. I guess if support is declining, the real key is to find a product that doesn't need support. But, just for the record, does anyone have any horror stories about Toshiba?

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Toshiba Reliability[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 03, 2005 at 12:59:37 PM PDT

I used a Tecra for many years lugging it around the world. After having one slip out of my hand and tumble down a stairway in Japan, I learned to carry it in something more substantial. I settled on a Zero aluminum case that I highly customized to carry my computer, a printer, extra hard drive (it had Unix loaded), a full sized mouse, power supplies, and cables. Oh, the one that tumbled down the stairway . . . the computer seemed to be fine except that the screen went bonkers but was at least marginally functional for the remainder of the week I was there. Last week I ordered a personal Tecra and would do it again. I have used a personal Satellite for several years with great success.

For my purposes at the time, the Tecra was the only laptop on the market that would allow me to swap out the hard drive without having to use a screw driver. Being able to quickly switch between Windows and Unix was essential and very easy to do. It was not a viable option at the time to have different bootable partitions which I would seriously consider now if I had to make that decision again.

So . . . no horror stories with Tecra or Satellite. Both have given great service and the quality is unsurpassed.

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Communist Country[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 03, 2005 at 02:03:15 PM PDT

I have a Thinkpad T42, bought before Lenovo. I will not buy another one, even though this is my fourth and all are still working. I can not buy from a Communist run business. I don't like buying anything made in China, but that is just about impossible. My next laptop will be Toshiba.

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So, in summary ...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 03, 2005 at 06:12:46 PM PDT

No company builds a decent computer, laptop, notebook, etc. And no one here is every going to buy from IBM, Dell, Sony, Gasteway, Toshiba, Acer, etc., or a white box ever again.

So, how many of you are going to choose to vote with your wallet instead of your meaningless rants?

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I must be nobody[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 03, 2005 at 07:34:27 PM PDT

I confess. I am nobody. I ordered a Toshiba last week. I have before and I would again. There must be thousands of nobodies in the world. It is absolutely wonderful that I have so many cousins with the same name.

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I vote by answering people who ask.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by foxyshadis1 on Thu Nov 03, 2005 at 08:32:33 PM PDT

Actually toshiba seems to be the consensus leader by far, with reputable white box a little behind.

Personally I find compaqs to be a great deal for the money, being stylish, quiet, pretty durable, and on the better performing end of low-end parts. The main caveat is to expect bad support if there are problems. I'll recommend them over dell and gateway if someone wants to go cheap.

I guess I'll have to switch from recommending IBM to Toshiba for people who need the best service and reliability.

Sony, well, I can't honestly believe they manage to convince people that a commodity laptop is worth twice the price because it has their name on it, but then they do that with a lot of other electronics too.

Of course a powermac is always an option for people who aren't beholden to a PC, or don't mind using VPC occasionally.

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similar scenario[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 09:11:52 AM PDT

We have ben buying IBM Thinkpads because they are durable and they have had the best hardware support. In one of my remote ofices a user had a problem with a hard rrive that failed. IBM (last year) sent an engieneer on site and in the process of replacing the drive he managed to crack the case near the keyboard. So we opened another call to get it replaced. They sent another tech out to replace the case and in the process of replacing the case he torqued the screw down and shorter out the motherboard. This time IBM reported that IBM had sold the wrong warranty to our natinal known resller and that we were stuck. When I mentioned DELL they immediately jumped and replaced our R51 with an R52. Very happy. In the meantime I am flown to the headquareters of our reseller and with an IBM/Lenovo rep I am told about how wonderful the world is and how my life will be easier because things will not change with Lenovo. Now, less than a year later we have a monitor go out on the R52. Service call is placed. The serial number does not show up in their system. So no support. We sent them the name and number and incident report info from the earlier problems and we are waiting for a resolution. Guess what? Time to call DELL. <shudder> I don't think this would have happened with IBM.

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Why?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Garminski on Fri Nov 11, 2005 at 06:42:24 AM PDT

With all the Dell hell horror stories that have been shared here why would you go with Dell over what is essentially a service issue? You cannot seriously expect Dell to be any better. Or are you figuring if you are going to get crappy service anyway you might as well find the lowest price?

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The Lenovo effect[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#33)
by maizell on Fri Dec 23, 2005 at 02:18:23 PM PDT

The question asked here is whether Lenovo, the Chinese Communists who bought IBM's PC business (and yes, they _are_ Communists, half owned by the government), have the same commitment to service of "IBM" equipment as IBM did. I can say that having had almost the exact same problem with one of my IBM laptops some years ago, the answer is an unequivocal "No." In my case IBM returned the laptop within 3 days (shipping box provided and Fedex shipping paid round-trip by IBM)--with a new screen. Total cost to me: zippo. No questions asked. // Jerry Maizell - Friday, December 23, 2005 4:13:48 PM

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beware of shipping/delivery on Lenovo website[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 12:25:15 PM PDT

<warning, rant on> well, I thought I'd be getting my T43 today or tomorrow. I ordered a T43 at about xx CST AM 12/27 from the Lenovo website. But, what? it just left Hong Kong today and I won't get it until January 6th? Also they are shipping me two?? Why? I only ordered and received confirmation for one. As far as the shipping goes, what the phone rep told me was that the website 'doesn't have that much detail' regarding actual shipping times and intentions. I ordered the t43 specifically from Lenovo since it was IN STOCK and they were providing free two day shipping AND handling. Now I find out that it really depends on where it it being shipped from. In looking at the order notification it specifically states that this is 2 day UPS Express shipping. Now they said that its "Held up in customs" that its coming from Hong Kong?? Had I known these "Details" I would have never ordered this directly from Lenovo. I could have got a similarly configured unit at about the same or less price, right in the US within the two day window I require. I think these business practices are unconscionable and the website is deliberately misleading and makes false service promises. The rep I spoke too indicated that he gets a number of calls every day on this. Gee maybe some one would do something For business purposes I needed a PC right away. Now I'm looking at going out to buy something off the shelf, then get charged for TWO PC's from Lenovo, and have the hassle of returning them and watching for the credit. You know, I did a long hard search on what notebook to buy. But at this point I'm quite upset and frustrated with this process. As directed by the phone rep , I will accept the two pc's from the carrier (I hope this is not a mistake), I will not open them, and call for the RMA process and for full credit for the T43 I ordered and the one shipped in error, and sales tax. You can be sure that if at the end of all this if I incur any cost it will be heartily contested. Pretty disappointing, guess I should have believed the Blogs about this. <sorry, rant off> but I feel so much better if I've saved someone else the inconvenience and hassle.

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stop buying lenovo[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#35)
by censorthisgoogle on Thu Feb 23, 2006 at 08:17:40 PM PDT

What do you people expect ? Stop supporting the chinese government by buying these products. Our ibm business partner keeps pushing lenovo garbage on me by claiming it's "affiliated with ibm". Please. My IT department isn't buying, and neither should you.

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