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Getting Run Around the HP Way

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 12:02:13 AM PDT

There's an interesting pattern I've noticed in the gripes I've received about HP the last few months. It may not be much fun trying to get service and support from HP, but readers sure get to know a lot of different departments of the company while doing so, albeit sometimes only by the muzak they're treated to while waiting on hold.


"I am very frustrated with HP," wrote one reader. "I purchased a $300-plus accidental damage protection plan along with my new HP Pavilion laptop about a year ago. A few weeks ago the backlight on my screen died, so I called HP and was told to send it in." The reader was pleased that they would agree so readily to fix the problem, but was less than happy when the machine was returned with a crack in the casing and a distorted display. After calling a series of increasingly unsympathetic techs, he was finally told that HP considered the laptop repaired and would not fix it again. "I asked why, as I had the accidental damage protection plan, they wouldn't fix it and he simply told me that it was in fine condition and rushed to get me off the line. How does he know what condition - he can't see it."

The reader ultimately had to contact HP corporate headquarters in order to get his laptop repaired a second time. "I called there and explained that I had a bad customer service experience and they connected me with a senior technician," the reader wrote. "I finally got to talk to speak with someone who was helpful and, unlike the previous technicians, would actually share his name." The reader sent the laptop in again and received it back in a week. "When I powered it up, however, I was greeted by a blue screen. Not a Windows error screen but rather just a blue screen."

Finally, the reader was referred to a "special" number where it was arranged for him to have the laptop display replaced. "Don't you think that HP should invest some more money in making sure their service center does things right the first time?" the reader wondered after he finally got his laptop fixed. "Just for their own good, because they have sure wasted a whole lot of money on the overnight shipping they've had to pay for three times, not to mention all the time their call centers have wasted trying, or not trying, to help me."

Another reader who had paid for an accidental damage protection plan had a problem of a very different sort. "I purchased a Compaq Presario laptop in April 2004 and also an HP Care Pack with an accidental damage warranty," the reader wrote. "This warranty was due to expire in mid April this year, so before it expired I went the HPshopping.com and purchased a new Care Pack for $99. Three weeks later, I received the card back in the mail with a post-it note attached reading 'Only One Care Pack per unit - please return for credit.' I thought OK, my mistake, and returned the card. That was in early May. Three months later I still have not received the credit."

The reader just wanted HP to either credit him back the $99 or give him the warranty he had paid for, but he was completely unable to get them to do either. "I placed a call to HP Total Care inquiring about the credit," the reader wrote. "They told me that HPshopping.com would have to issue it. I called HPshopping.com and was told that since this was an issue with a warranty, HP Total Care was the only authority who could provide a refund." In late July the reader managed to break through this circle by getting his case escalated to a customer service case manager who said he would iron out the problem and call him back.

By the end of August, the case manager had still not called back or responded to the reader's messages. At that point, I contacted an HP public relations representative and asked if someone could please look into the reader's situation. He was soon contacted by HP Corporate and told that they would re-issue the Care Pack and he'd have a full year starting from September 1. While he was pleased to finally get his warranty, he certainly hopes after this experience that he won't have to use it. "In the last few weeks I had made a dozen calls to the case office and left half a dozen messages, sometimes having to wait 25 minutes before even getting connected to a voice mail box. So thanks for your assistance, because it seems I literally couldn't have done this without you."

A third reader got even more experience with HP's hold times. "I have a Compaq desktop that is less than two years old, bought after Carly made it an HP product," the reader wrote. "The motherboard recently went bad, so I ordered a replacement from HP Parts. I was assured the part was in stock and would ship the next business day." When there was no order update by the next week, he called HP Parts and had the first of many spent-ten-minutes-on-hold-due-to-high-call-volume experiences while trying to find out when the motherboard would ship. By the next week, the order status showed that the unit had shipped and his credit card charged, but no unit arrived and the tracking number proved invalid. "When I called HP Parts, the rep said I would have to call to 'post-shipping' and transferred me to another number where I got to wait on hold," the reader wrote. "The post-shippping rep said the part had been scanned but not shipped, but he was going to ship it over night. Yeah, right. It didn't arrive."

The reader alternately called HP Parts and the post-shipping department over the coming days, always having to wait at least the requisite ten minutes and often getting disconnected. When he did get through, some of the discussions were surreal. "One time the post-shipping rep said the part had been overnighted, but hadn't shipped," the reader said. "The HP Parts rep then tried to tell me the motherboard was being custom built for me." Finally, three weeks after he'd ordered the motherboard for overnight shipment, his request was escalated to someone who actually shipped it.

The reader sums up well what all the HP gripers feel about the runaround they received. "HP is a company that apparently is no longer in control of its various pieces," he wrote. "The right hand can't talk to the left, and if it does, the other hand may be lying. The inventory system is obviously broken, and when the broken high-tech doesn't work, there doesn't seem to be anyone who can actually call up a warehouse and ask what the heck the problem is. Instead of dealing honestly with customers, HP is paying for all those people on hold on their 800 lines and then using all that time from their customer service reps. What a sad situation for a once great company."

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Disposable notebook[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 02:34:46 AM PDT

I had a HP notebook for about 2 years. After 13 months, the heat sink lost its ability to transduce heat. I researched the issue, ordered a replacement part and fixed the problem. My brother had a similar HP notebook (although a newer model). His screen went out and the power cable connector broke. He ended up getting it repaired by a 3rd party company. When you buy a HP notebook, consider that its a disposable piece of equipment. Plan on buying a new one after a year. To be fair, I think many notebooks are headed in this direction given their very low price.

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Toshiba isn't much better...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:52:39 AM PDT

I had a less than 1 year old Toshiba A75 laptop that had the well known static discharge lock up problem. Sent it to Toshiba Depot and had it repaired. Got it back and worked until the battery went dead. Would not run off A/C power nor charge the battery. Back it went to Depot. Got it back and it lasted about a week or so then it decided it wouldn't turn on any more. Back a third time to Depot. It's been back for a few months now and seems to be finally fixed. At least the Toshiba CSR's were decent to deal with, although their offshore accents made it somewhat difficult to understand what they were saying sometimes.

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1) Ask at the store. 2) Try Toshiba.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Futurepower tm on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 09:53:47 AM PDT

It seems that HP is continuing the social breakdown that started with CEO Carly Fiorina.

Here are two suggestions for finding reliable equipment:

1) Go to a store that has a computer service department. Ask the repair people which laptop maker they would recommend. When I did that at Best Buy, they told me that they had the least trouble with Toshiba laptops.

2) So, I bought 2 Toshiba laptops. I've had no trouble with them. Sony laptops, I've found, have a problem with the heat removing hardware that Sony does not seem to be able to fix. So, I suggest you don't try Sony.


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HP Warranties & Service, and lack thereof[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:00:00 AM PDT

There are quite a few well-documented experiences of people shipping their notebooks back to HP for repair and getting another computer with a different serial number in return.  This underscores one of the really serious issues with name-brand manufacturers' so-called repairs: Whatever important software and data may be on the hard drive of the computer when it goes out for repair will most likely not be there when it comes back.  Part of the routine of mail-in service is to deliver a computer with Windows reinstalled from scratch on whatever hard drive comes back.

I do post-warranty service and some IN-warranty service, simply because I take the necessary steps to make sure that as little client data is lost as possible.  When possible, I can sometimes clone a semi-failed hard drive onto a new drive, recouping 99.999% of client's data and programs.

Ben Myers

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HP support not easy to find[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 10:43:38 AM PDT

My company purchased an $85K storage array from HP. From the day we installed it, we had problems. I called for support and played the automated call distribution game. When I selected storage, I got an msg saying that the lines were down and to call another number. I called the other number and they just went, "Yup, the lines are down" (not exact quote). After numerous calls, I escalated to my HP sales rep. She had a "support manager" call me and she said the lines were never down. She asked me for the first number I called and she told me it was wrong. I had to point her to the HP website and show her that it was the first support number listed on the website. If HP doesn't even know its own phone number, how can it fix a computer.

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Try IBM[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 12:21:29 PM PDT

First, I must be honest and disclose that I work for IBM. (Storage support, as a matter of fact.)

With any and all IBM stuff, you call 800-IBM-SERV. You hit the button to open a service call. You punch in the four-digit machine type, (usually helpfully located on a sticker on the FRONT of the machine) and that's it. It doesn't matter if you are calling about your gazillion dollar mainframe, twenty TB storage array, or your bargain-basement bottom-of-the-line PC. You will be connected to the proper support tech shortly. No ten minutes of phone-menu hell, no stupid attempts by the computer to guess your problem, no hours on hold, nothing.

Naturally IBM (as any company) has some support techs that are better than others, but I know I personally have never gotten any flack about asking for a new part or repairs on any of my personal equipment.

I guess there is a reason that IBM stuff costs more sometimes.

SirWired

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I agree[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 01:30:22 PM PDT

I am an IBM customer, not an employee, and I agree with the above post.

We purchased an IBM x345 with no service plan, just the standard 3 year warranty. We had an unexplained system crash on late Wednesday afternoon. We did all of the standard checks for ill behaved Windows software, did not find anything, and wrote it off as a fluke. The system crashed again at 4:45 PM on Friday afternoon. I called IBM tech support, and after running some diagnostics was told that there were getting reports of a problem with a capaciter on the motherboard which was causing this sort of problem.

They would be happy to overnight me out a new one, which would arrive on Monday morning if I wanted to replace it myself. They also offered to let me purchase a 24x7 service contract at the same price it would have been had I bought it originally with the machine. I jumped at the offer. A technician met me back at work at 8:30 AM Saturday and replaced the motherboard. Monday morning it was business as usual for our users thanks to the quick response from IBM.

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IBM Software no good though[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 05:17:06 PM PDT

I work for a client that drinks the IBM Kool Aid. We recently spent millions on IBM WebSEAL, TIM/TAM, and the associated consultants. This software still doesn't do what we need, and I have several PMRs open to make it do what is clearly stated in the Admin Guide. We also work with IBM WebSphere Portal Server, a piece of software that seems to be very poorly designed, and couldn't handle more than 50 concurrent users. IBM's solution was to buy more IBM hardware. To build IBM Portlets requires IBM Rational Application Developer. A product so bad that the 6.0.0.1 upgrade added many brand new features and capabilites (read, rushed out the door before they could be finished) and now less than 4 months later the 6.0.1 bug fix is over 1.5 Gb. That's right, 1.5 GIGAbytes. The company may drink the Kool Aid, but I only smell poison... Anyway, the IBM techs I've been working with have been pretty good, but they require so much time that many of my coworks simply give up because they end up supporting the IBM techs and not having time to do their regular day jobs! This is not service.

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Thinkpads[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 07:39:55 PM PDT

I have an IBM Thinkpad T42 and will not buy another Thinkpad. This is my fourth Thinkpad and three out of the four are still running. IBM make a big mistake by selling it's Thinkpad operation to a Chinese (Communist)owned company. I can not buy from such a company no matter how good the service is.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#91)
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#90)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:49:20 PM PDT

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HP and Compaq[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Red Rat on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:00:47 AM PDT

Well, as bad as this all sounds, I suppose you could try Dell, then you will know frustration.

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Worthless warranty service[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:34:40 AM PDT

It's because of experiences like this that I prefer to build PCs instead of buy them. The few times that I've had trouble with components (bad capacitors on a motherboard, dead hard drive, etc.), I've had little or no problem getting the manufacturer to replace it. When I do have to buy a complete system, I make sure that it uses standard parts. This way, I can replace components myself (almost always at a lower cost) instead of being ignored or gouged by the vendor.

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laptops are a lot harder to build yourself.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 02:40:18 PM PDT

Desktops, most of us who really try can build one. But a laptop is not going to be that easy. Just think how difficult it can sometimes be just to change a harddrive on a laptop.

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Well, it's not that hard to build your own laptop![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 04:45:23 PM PDT

There was an article in the September 2005 issue of CPU magazine that was a tutorial on how to build your own laptop. There may not be as many options as for building a desktop, but it's a step in the right direction! Here's a link to the article: http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2Farchive%2Fc0509%2F31c09a%2 F31c09a%2Easp&articleid=27833&guid=40650F7FD1EF4E3481D7F354375D442C&searchtype=0&Wor dList=&bJumpTo=True

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What's the URL again?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 06:26:25 PM PDT

Could you check that URL? I only get the default page. Thanks.

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There's a couple of spaces in the URL that shouldn't be there - remove the spaces and it works fine.

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by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:22:08 PM PDT

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Links only to an abstract[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by sconeu on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 08:06:42 AM PDT

It links only to an abstract.  Says, if you want the whole article, then subscribe.

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Hi[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#45)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 05:07:45 AM PDT



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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#97)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:22:37 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Never had problems with Dell[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 11:43:47 AM PDT

I have worked with literally hundreds of Dell machines (notebooks and desktops), both as an independant contractor and as part of two Fortune 500 corporations. I have NEVER had an issue even remotely similar to the situations these users have had with HP. As for building your own PC, that's all great, but try doing that with a notebook or if you need fifty desktops that are exactly the same. Look at the low prices for HP/Compaqs at the warehouse stores. Dells are always more, but you get what you pay for!

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Dell "customer service" == oxymoron[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 12:03:11 PM PDT

Are you kidding? Dell's so-called "customer service" is a pathetic excuse for what customers expect as service. I went through 4 weeks of cycles of waiting on hold, getting off-shore Indian service providers laughingly called "Mary" and "Dan", amazingly uniformed and damaging advice from so-called service advisors, etc. My other half, a lawyer who has Dell's so-called "Gold Service" for his business, is going through similar nonsense with a high-end laptop. Personally, I find little customer service, period, in many American based businesses these days. Electing to save money by off-shoring critical operations has created a "you American employees are disposable -- we can for it cheaper in India and China, after all" corporate manager mentality. The result" products are cheaply made, and it shows, employees and companies have no loyalty to each other OR their customers, and it shows. Product quality and customer service are at all time lows. Remember the saying "those who fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it"? Well, American business and the vaulted MBAs who run (and "consult" for them) have failed to understand history: the systematic undoings of formerly great companies and governments that focussed on short-term, high profits benefitting a select few, at the expense of long-term sustainability with reasonable profits for the many.

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Yes, HP customer service is bad![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by JohnHedtke on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 12:10:22 PM PDT

I bought an HP A830N this summer. Nice enough box, okay price, and it had the HP name on it... but there was no documentation for the motherboard. I couldn't tell how the RAM slots are configured if I want to add one more stick of RAM, nor what the slot next to the EIDE slot is that the 2 CDs are plugged into--it *isn't* an EIDE slot because it's the wrong size. I'd like to know more about the configuration on the Serial ATA slots and what I might need to do to change chips. There weren't any technical docs to speak of, only generic user docs.

Before I plugged the unit in, I spent a frustrating evening on the phone with HP customer service people getting nowhere. Finally, the next day, I got a technical guy who asked me what I wanted to know. "I'd like to know where to get a motherboard manual." The HP guy proceeded to tell me that he'd be glad to tell me a certain number of things (I'd have to take my chances) but that some things they wouldn't tell me because they wanted me to take my computer to an authorized HP service vendor. Sorry, kiddo, but I bought a computer to do with as I wanted, not as HP wanted. I'd decided to pay a little extra for the HP name, thinking I'd get something I could use immediately. I was wrong: I wasted hours looking at the computer and dealing with several support technicians who weren't very knowledgable and were extremely unhelpful. I shipped the whole thing back to HP without ever plugging it in and got my money back (less shipping). Based on this experience, I won't buy an HP computer again.
(I registered my dissatisfaction on the HP website and got a follow-up call from a support rep who was honestly surprised that I might want to work on my own computer and didn't seem impressed that I was shipping it back unused just because support was so useless. Listen closely for the sound of HP circling the drain.)

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You just have to look for it yourself[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 06, 2005 at 09:56:31 AM PDT

HP online support has all the answers you're looking for. Just type in the model number, click on Documentation & Manuals, and there you go. Lots of detailed diagrams & photos, plus videos for upgrading your RAM. (And it's a floppy drive connector next to that IDE connector.)

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#99)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:23:00 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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HPShopping vs. HP Total Care[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by DZRhino on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 12:38:03 PM PDT

Last May as a grad gift for my son I bought him a HP Portable and also got a printer as part of the package. We didn't open the printer until a week before he left for college and found it was DOA. Since it was past 30 days, I couldn't just return it to HPShopping. I had to call HP "Total Care" which is a TOTAL JOKE. It took 3 calls speaking with some bozos in India just to get them to admit something was wrong. I couldn't understand the first person, the second one couldn't understand that you can't run dianostics on a totally dead (no lights at all) machine. Finally I got one to admit it was dead. Every time I called it was a 30 minute hold. Then everytime I gave an answer that wasn't in their checklist, they would put me on hold for "two minutes" that was always five minutes. Finally after all of that they wouldn't issue a refund, wanted to send a reconditioned unit as a replacement. After explaining that was not satisfactory as the unit was new and unused, I was told that I had to speak to a "customer consultant" or some such and that they would have them call me -- I couldn't call them. I gave them two days in which to call and nothing happened. I called back to India and demanded to speak to a supervisor . . . the consultant that I was supposed to speak to worked in a different division and they couldn't communicate directly with them, only send messages. After 10 days of this crap, I gave up and called HP in Palo Alto. I demanded to speak to someone who's native language was English and that could resolve my problem. I was transferred to a group in Canada and spoke with a very professional contact that took care of everything in 5 minutes flat. He apologized for the run-around. When I asked what his group did, he hesitated and then answered "we take care of customers that demand response and want english speaking help." He also went on to say that their call volume was increasing daily as people gave up on the India-based support staff. Note that Dell is moving a lot of their customer support response back to the Americas as they found that it was taking 3 calls to resolve questions that went to India and that their customers didn't like speaking with people there. By the way, I bought my son a Canon printer.

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Presario experience[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 05, 2005 at 12:49:12 PM PDT

New Presario, bought mail-order direct from HPShopping at the end of July. In early September, started getting weird slowdowns. Event Log showed various disk errors. Tried the Online Support thingy, and got someone in India who made some suggestions, which of course didn't help (but were reasonable things to try). Next day, another chat session; this time I told him I was done tinkering, that the drive was getting worse and I wanted it replaced. He agreed, and got someone from Texas to call for a credit card number (so we could do a cross-ship). This was on a Friday, and the ticket was updated less than an hour later to say it shipped, priority (alas, not Saturday delivery, but that's reasonable). Monday morning, 10AM, doorbell, nice box. I open it, only to find an EIDE drive instead of an SATA drive. Now, I'd told them it was SATA; they have the machine's serial number and thus build info; they didn't sell me an EIDE drive in the first place, so why would I need one now??? Several days and several calls later, I got the SATA drive -- 250GB instead of 160GB. Maybe that was an apology, I'm not sure. Meanwhile, I had long ago replaced the drive myself (so I could clone while the original was still readable!), so now I have a LOT more disk space than before. Am I happy about how much trouble it was? No. But it *was* less trouble than the Dell "on-site" support I tried to use a few years ago, which ended up *after two weeks* with me saying "Bring the replacement drive to my office and I'll give you the bad one", because their outsourced tech wouldn't call at a specified time, wouldn't leave a message, and this was before cell phones, so t