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Reader Voices: Office Politics

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 09:08:14 AM PDT

Can OpenOffice be a player in the office? The release of OpenOffice 2.0 has a lot of folks believing that the open source suite can now be a real competitor for Microsoft Office. But in their comments on a recent story, several readers expressed doubts that OpenOffice, however competitive it may be from a technology perspective, can ever supplant Office in the corporate market.


One reader admitted that he would be afraid for his job if anything went wrong in implementing an open source project. "Implementing something that doesn't work, especially if it's high profile, can ruin a career," the reader wrote. "I've thought several times about moving to UNIX on my home PC along with Open Office, Firefox, etc. But when I think about the possibility of being totally 'out of business' and having to find someone who can fix it, I lose the courage to do so. Add to that the question of whether certain specialty software I have will work with it. Now, magnify that by thousands of users and you get a sense of what the CIOs and MISs are dealing with."

Some companies may be intimidated from using OpenOffice by the companies they do business with. "In addition to the career fears -- which I have definitely seen in action -- there are also inadvertent restrictions imposed on some types of small business," another reader wrote. "We have a small/mid sized company which contracts with various big companies. Without fail, these big companies will use MS Office products to send out their request for proposals and they expect the same file format back in response. Until these open source products will read in, without fail, the Office documents and spreadsheets and additionally write them back out to Office exactly as I want them to look, using any other product will put my company at a severe disadvantage. I can't take that chance when these documents are used to control if we get a project or not. It doesn't matter what I like personally."

Some readers even doubt that OpenOffice is robust enough for the job. "I attempted to use Open Office about 4 months ago and found it worth using for the basic user but not ready for prime time," a reader wrote. "It is a nice system of programs but does not have the richness required to do much more than simple letter writing, primitive tables, and simple spreadsheets. Open Office is so deficient for serious power users that one might easily conclude that the file structure associated with it is not capable of expanding into a full-featured office suite without major redefinition. What is really needed to kick off Linux into major use is for a few major application developers to port their stuff to Linux. There is absolutely no way for these major developers to consider their applications to be considered open source but without them, Linux will always be relegated to 'hobby' status. Linux itself is deserving of wide acceptance as a serious OS but the currently available applications are not."

But others expressed the opinion that the real problem OpenOffice or any other free software has to overcome in the corporate market is the false perception that it's not supported. One reader recalled his experience when he proposed his company use a shareware product rather than going the Microsoft route. "The Powers That Be took one look at this, and said, aghast, 'We can't use shareware in our projects!' the reader wrote. "The reasoning, as far as I can tell, was something along the lines of shareware being not very well supported, and hence if it broke, we would be in trouble. Never mind that we could get a source code license and probably fix the problem far faster than most vendors would -- we "couldn't" use it. What I'm getting at is that corporations care about being able to get support through methods they understand. Never mind that getting support from Microsoft is like pulling teeth, and that open source software will usually give you better support faster; it's about the perception that a company selling software will stand behind its product. There's also the perception -- right or wrong -- of compatibility. It's not Word, therefore it can't be 100% compatible, therefore we can't use it. Never mind that even Word isn't 100% compatible with other versions of Word."

What's your opinion? Can OpenOffice be a viable competitor against Microsoft Office in the corporate world? Post your comments below or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Only if...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 10:36:49 AM PDT

OpenOffice penetrates enough to become a standard on its own. Otherwise it will have to read and write the MS Office formats and do so in such a way to not cause problems with the MS Office tools.

I've played with OpenOffice before and its okay for light work. More detailed and long documents though can cause it some issues.

We can hope though for the day when MS gets some competition in the Office space.

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Light duty?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 11:24:46 AM PDT

> More detailed and long documents though can cause
> it some issues.

Funny thing - I seem to have the opposite experience.  For long documents (25+ pages) with a lot of graphics, MS Word gets crash-happy and breaks routinely, while documents of similar complexity are no problem for OOo Writer.  MS Word's favorite trick on long documents here is to reformat a document after you click the print button, shifting the margins so that text gets cut off.

The piece of OOo that needs work is the spreadsheet - specifically the charting module.  It's easily the worst of all the modern spreadsheets when it comes to charting.  For more serious graphing work, I use GNUplot or gnumeric.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#173)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:20:21 PM PDT

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Compatibility[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by ricke on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 11:25:04 AM PDT

"Never mind that even Word isn't 100% compatible with other versions of Word." My first step when a user gives me a corrupted Office document is to load it into OpenOffice and write it back out as an MS Office file. It's seldom failed to clean it up sufficiently. Most of the time there hasn't even been too much damage to the formatting. The major impediment to adoption of a FOSS office suite is fear of change, not a lack of features. Unfortunately you can't insert a FOSS office suite into a company the way you can replace a Windows file server with a Samba box (or IIS with Apache). When replacing servers I only had to convince my boss, not several hundred panicky end-users and their managers. Strangely people will put up with Office trashing their documents repeatedly but won't extend that tolerance to any other product.

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So true ...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 05:50:19 PM PDT

I'm the guy that posted that comment in the first place. You're absolutely right that OpenOffice does a better job in a lot of cases than Microsoft's offering. What I'm talking about, though, is the perception of support and compatibility, not the actuality.

The perception goes something like: "Word is from Microsoft. Therefore, anything from Microsoft should be able to do a better job of dealing with these files than anything from anyone else." In theory, this is true (and is in itself an indictment on closed file formats); in practice, if you have a document from an older version of Word (or even Word on a different platform: Mac vs Windows), it's a roll of the dice as to how well it'll work.

In short: it's a fear of the unknown, and there's no easy way to break through that, especially in big corporations where it's your boss's neck on the block if things go wrong.

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At least constistently[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 12:40:05 PM PDT

The perception goes something like: "Word is from Microsoft. Therefore, anything from Microsoft should be able to do a better job of dealing with these files than anything from anyone else." In theory, this is true (and is in itself an indictment on closed file formats); in practice, if you have a document from an older version of Word (or even Word on a different platform: Mac vs Windows), it's a roll of the dice as to how well it'll work.

More precisely, whatever current version of Microsoft Office people are running, mangles the documents consistently for everybody using that version. So at least everybody sees the same thing when using the same version of Word.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#171)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:20:10 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#177)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:15:01 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#182)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:16:58 PM PDT

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Hmm...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by welkerdp on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 11:59:01 AM PDT

I'm not sure we really want to root for disruptive change in the office suite space -- there's too much risk associated with that kind of transplant. People that think in terms of Word and Powerpoint are overlooking the massive amount of user-written software that is locked into Excel. VBA depends on the Office object model and would therefore be inherently difficult to port to a third party solution without drawing attention from the infringement bogeyman. Methinks the best thing open source office can do is act as the rising tide that lifts all ships -- by being just enough of a threat that the dominant player is forced to pay attention to the little things (like document corruption,) which might otherwise go uncorrected. The emerging XML storage pattern in Office 12 is evidence that the threat is having an effect.

Platform selection is driven by application selection, which is driven by need. Compatibility is a legitimate need, as a certain vendor discovered when they dropped WordPerfect compatilibity from their software and the legal community reacted...



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A few things I've learned in the interim[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by foxyshadis1 on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 12:40:36 PM PDT

For all my comments in the other entry, I have a feeling that office 12 is going to split the battle wide open. It's a completely different interface and replumbing of the insides, uses a completely new fileformat more similar to OO's XML than anything in older Office versions, which makes cross-compatibility a breeze; I think a lot of companies will stick with old versions just to keep retraining and conversion costs down, but others will notice that OO has an interface rather similar to 2000+ and perhaps go down that route. I think 12's interface really will be better overall, but I can't even begin to estimate the ROI until it's out.

I've only been playing with the final for a few days, so I won't be able to make up an opinion until I can really test it against office documents, macros and vba-style code. (Boy, it would rock to use php/python as vba replacements in OO.)

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Microsoft[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 12:44:48 PM PDT

won't do anything that threatens their dominance of the market. I would look for some small bit in the file format to depend on MS Office for this to work.

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I understand.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by foxyshadis1 on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 01:33:19 PM PDT

Yes, I'm sure it'll even go so far as to have sections be encapsulated in a binary encoding. Bleh. But overall compatibility chances will be higher given that the old formats were such a messy hodge-podge that hardly worked between versions anyway. And it may be that they no longer consider the format proprietary so they're looking for other ways to effect a lock-in.

Now of course they might try a trick like encrypting binary segments, and putting the key in the software, then suing anyone who tried to use it. Ugh.

You know, if OO were to develop a import/export filter (like 2000's 97 filter) for standard office versions that would really aid comptibility in a mixed environment. You could keep documents in .odt/etc and only export to doc when an outsider without the filter needs it. (Or have them install it.) In the same way I hope office 12 will release a plugin so older versions can write v12 documents.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#174)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:20:30 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Automation clarification.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by foxyshadis1 on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 01:46:20 PM PDT

There IS a python automation engine. Totally rad. Though I prefer PHP, this is hot; maybe the other will come along at some point.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#180)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:16:47 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#172)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:20:15 PM PDT

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What's up .DOC?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 04:06:16 AM PDT

The biggest issue is the .doc files themselves. I don't mean the format, I mean the cultural reliance on having a "doc" file. I've applied for positions where I've sent a PDF file, or even a text file, and ad the recruiter shoot back "I need it in a doc file". Why? I understand they have ways of importing these files into searchable databases, but when has a doc file been more portable and usable than a text file? This is the kind of thumb-sucking attitude that keeps people from trying other, better options like OpenOffice and Linux.

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Requiring .doc file[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 08:25:04 AM PDT

Seems to me that I remember a situation where the judge who was hearing the monopoly case agains Microsoft initially stated that all filings needed to be presented electronically - in Word format. I think they finally retracted the format statement and accepted Word Perfect format as well, but it is ironic. No wonder none of the large companies are willing to move away from Microsoft products. Hmmm?

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by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 02:22:10 AM PDT

Why? I think you suggest the answer in your Subject line: they don't know any other application. They don't know how to open files except by double-clicking, and they have no idea about interchanging info between notepad, Acrobat and Word (or any other app). When this has come up for me, I just rename the file to end in ".doc"; I've never had a complaint after that. For a lot of people, anything that Word can open is a "Word doc", which is why you often see slideshows and photo albums circulated this way. I'm afraid Word is embedded in popular culture now :-) Gary

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Recruiters & .DOC files[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by Fushigi on Fri Oct 28, 2005 at 05:55:27 AM PDT

I've heard they want .DOCs so they can edit them to remove your personally identifiable info before sending the doc along to their actual clients - the potential employers. By removing your contact info from the resume they retain control; the potential employer can't do an end-run around the headhunter--sorry, recruiter--to save the recruiter's fee.

It may also be so they can fix glaring typos and formatting issues.

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by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 02, 2005 at 12:08:55 PM PDT

As someone who has done some recruiting in the past and is currently in the process of dealing with recruiters, I can tell you that's exactly what they're doing. They want to make sure they get it in a format that they can open immediately, with little hassle and one that will save all text & page formatting. They also want to be able to easily change the header and/or apply their corporate format. Text files don't always retain all the formatting options and other versions can be a hassle to open if you don't know what you're doing. Plus,they deal with dozens of resumes and don't want to spend more time on this than they have to. Most recruiters are not exactly power users, either. In fact, many are pretty basic users. And that gets to the crux of the issue; anything implemented at an enterprise level needs to be something that basic users will easily understand and adapt to. Training time costs money and needs to be kept to a minimum. Users like you or I are moot. We will adapt to anything in a short period of time - but we are a minority.

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by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:17:16 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#175)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 09:20:39 PM PDT

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Somebody's on the bandwagon[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 08:37:40 AM PDT

The Commonwealth of Massachusetts is starting the ball rolling here. As of January 2007 they will be purchasing only open source software. Read all about it at: http://www.mass.gov/portal/site/massgovportal/menuitem.769ad13bebd831c14db4a11030468a0c/?pageID=itds ubtopic&L=3&L0=Home&L1=Policies%2c+Standards+%26+Legal&L2=Open+Standards&sid=Ait d

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by JimB on Tue Oct 25, 2005 at 12:26:53 PM PDT

If you think this was done for some heroic open standards support reason- think again. This was done so the IT depts that work for the various depts had an excuse to triple (and sometimes quaduple) their budgets. And in the end it will mean both O Office and MS Office on the users desktops- guess which one they will reach for. For the record they are only buying software that supports open standards- not OSS exclusively. ( the link didn't work but a search for for the It policies brings you to the info)

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#185)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:17:20 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#188)
by maderikapapa on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 01:14:39 AM PDT

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