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Trials and Tribulations With DirecWay

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 12:14:25 AM PDT

Perhaps it's because many of their customers have few broadband alternatives, but Hughes Network's DirecWay satellite service produces some of the most emotionally charged complaints I get. Ever since I wrote earlier this year about one reader's support nightmare, I continue to hear from DirecWay customers who are unhappy about the poor service they receive both from the DirecWay's satellites and its staff.


"Last month we paid $600 to have DirecWay come out and install a dish so we could get better, faster service than we were getting with our dial-up ISP," wrote one reader. " Guess what! It has been intermittent ever since. Most of the time we can't get on the net because our signal is so poor. And, yes, we have about the clearest view of the southern sky you can get, but it seems like their 'soup of the day' satellite wasn't a good one. I have called EVERY day to try to get it taken care of, but they are obviously trying to stall long enough for us to get past the 30-day trial period. Now, if we 'uninstall' everything they installed, pack it all up, and drive 300 miles to give it back to them - as I've been threatening to do -- they might give us $400 of our $600 back. Excuse me? We have been without service for nearly 3 weeks, and they don't seem to be able to get anyone here to fix it! They talk such a good story about their wonderful service and 24/7 help, but it is bogus! And sadly, they hook you for a year of service at $60 a month. That is what is so infuriating. What a racket DirecWay has going."

Another reader was surprised DirecWay would dare try to hold him to the one-year commitment. "After a $700 equipment purchase and five months of intermittent service, I finally had to cancel my Internet subscription with DirecWay," he wrote. "I made 53 telephone calls to their technical support department regarding the instability of their service, but despite the promises made after each of my calls that the issue would be resolved, the interruptions in Internet service continued as a steady norm. Moreover, I am dependent upon the Internet for my income, so the lack of a stable service was costing me money. Then, to my astonishment, upon cancellation I was told that I will be billed a $250 early termination fee. And only then was I told that there were many other remedies available that their technical support department could have offered me but did not, in spite of the plethora of calls I had made begging for help."

Intermittent service isn't just a problem for DirecWay home users. "I work for a large U.S. corporation with over 10,000 locations across the company," wrote another reader. "About twenty percent of them use Hughes for broadband connectivity, and, especially during any sort of weather -- like a breeze -- it seems like it's down more than up."

Some readers said they decided that dial-up was a better alternative. "The minute my one-year commitment ended, I cancelled," wrote one reader. "I could have tolerated the occasional interruption in service, but what drove me nuts was dealing with what DirecWay jokingly calls support. I don't how many times I had to listen to them read through the same script just so I could get them to pass me on to someone who actually spoke English, much less someone technically competent. When I think about all those painful sessions, dial-up seems a whole lot faster."

Another reader wrote that he found DirecWay customer service to be an oxymoron. "There was a Laugh-In skit of Lily Tomlin being Ernestine the Operator, showing off the fancy computers that screw your billing up better and faster," the reader recalled. "The skit ended with her saying 'We Don't Care, We Don't Have To -- We're the Phone Company.' DirecWay has trumped that attitude and my dealings with their lack of everything for four months only cost me $400. Zero refunds for outages; zero adjustments for 17-kbps downloads, and customer service reps who hung up on me. I have worked in IT management for about 20 years now and usually just do not give opinion other than purely personal ones. But if it is a good thing, you tell your friends; if it is a bad thing, you tell everyone. So my opinion: stay away from DirecWay."

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Sigh...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by tcv on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:17:21 PM PDT

In a way, DirecWay is a lot like Madonna's acting. So many people want -- ACHE -- for her to act well, but she just can't. Role after role is just really flat. It's a shame; it's always nice to have another leading lady.

Same with DirecWay. Everyone just wants -- ACHES -- for it to work, but it just can't. I have NEVER read a positive experience about the service. But people out there really, really want it. They need it. What a shame.

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Lots of positive experiences[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:30:46 PM PDT

Of course there are lots of satisfied users! There are about 2,000 of them just on the specialized Datastorm Users Forum (and these are the *tricky* self-aiming mobile units made by Motosat).

It *does* work. It's just not as robust as cable, DSL, or a modem *for most people*.

When your alternative to this is a $13,000 mobile satellite service (like TV stations use), Direcway looks pretty good.

If you have any alternative to Direcway, you should *take it*. If you don't, you use it.

Too many people have tried it when they even had DSL or cable as an option... that's just wrong-headed!

It's too easy for you to use absolutes (It doesn't work for anyone), a cheap shot.

Yes, it's a tricky system... but the download speeds exceed 1 mbps, and uptime is well over 99%.

The technology *is* workable and usable.

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That's good to know...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by tcv on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 10:06:27 AM PDT

Thanks for posting that. Honestly. My primary source for information was BBR and DirecWay was consistently in the "Nightmare" column. :-(

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Well, sort of[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 12:47:48 PM PDT

I'm one of those users who have few choices, Sprint won't work in my area, no cable and no DSL. It took over a year to get them to finally fix the problems I was having when I "upgraded" to two-way service. In fairness, part of that time was me having to brace myself for the 2 hour on-hold or talking to someone barely capable of speaking English to once again guide me through all the scripts and apologize for not having fixed the problem since I called 2 weeks or one month ago and not having contacted me as promised during that previous 2 hour call. One thing I will say for Direcway support people, they are really good at apologizing -- they can't fix anything, but they say "I'm sorry" really well. Once I finally got someone to admit that just maybe they screwed up on the initial installation, I was able to get them to re-install the system.

It works better than a modem, but I would certainly argue that 1 Meg download speeds are definitely the exception rather than the rule -- Most times I'd say I get about 2 to 3x a 56k modem speed -- still better than a modem, but definitely not blazing fast. Worst thing is, with two-way, they won't let you install or fix things yourself (fcc regs you know -- need to let our band of monkeys screw things up, we can't trust you to do it properly).

As others have said, if you have a choice, you don't pick direcway.

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    by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:22:06 PM PDT

    If you have a phone, and you're a non-techie, you'll like a modem better... generally (unless you have a tolerance for the ups and downs of the Direcway service).

    I use it because I'm where there are no phones, no alternative whatsoever.... usually in a very reomte area.

    You need to fight your way through the known Direcway pitfalls: avoiding getting assigned a clogged transponder, choosing a satellite with good signal strength for your area, making a connection (which I do daily, since I'm mobile) and using some manual techniques when necessary, performing your own diagnostics, doing a good dish install (this is the biggie), etc.

    I use a Motosat "Datastorm" dish, it aims automatically whenever I want to link up while in my RV. I have the "Business Edition" service ($100/month). As my ISP, Motosat goes to bat for me with Direcway "issues", which is a huge help.

    Generally, the system works well *for me*. You just need to know one heck of a lot to get past the initial hump. There are forums that help a lot with this.

    Considering that I have NO ALTERNATIVE, I'm happy with it. It enables an "away-from-the-cubicle" (no, make that "on-the-beach") work- and life-style.

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    HOW TO POINT SATELLITE, ETC[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 11:52:38 AM PDT

    could you post a place where "these pitfalls" can be avoided and worked around. i am extremely rural with no choice (local telephone company; dial-up not an option). i have had direcway and directv on same receiver dish for years. customer service is totally useless. weather isn't so much a problem as installation (and re-inalls, and re-installs, ad nauseum). thanks

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    Info on pitfalls[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 12:09:58 PM PDT

    No problem. Here's where I picked up my info:

    Datastorm User's Forum:
    http://www.datastormusers.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/index.html

    Note that you'll only be interested in "Direcway/ISP Issues", since the purpose of this forum is to support the Datastorm (self-aiming) dish hardware.

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    There is an alternative to Direcway[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 11:45:00 AM PDT

    Check out WildBlue (www.wildblue.com). Judging from what I've read in the Broadband Reports forums, their service (so far) as much better than Direcway's.

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    Not all have bad experiences[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
    by GoFigure on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 12:10:17 PM PDT

    I used direcway for a year since we had only dialup available previously and dropped direcway as soon as cable became available. My experiences were not bad. The only lapses in service were for short periods during rain storms and a 2 day outage because our dish became covered with snow and being at the top of the house I was not anxious to climb up and sweep the dish and arm off. My only disappointment was the throttling of downloads. Being in the IT field and living 2 hours from where I work, I would sometimes transfer files and data between my work and home computers, but after X megabytes I would get throttled down to what was about the same as a 56k modem. However if all a person is going to do is surf the web and use email it works fine, and at a faster speed than dialups.

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    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 12:53:39 PM PDT

    I have had direcway for 2 years, am a network admin, hate it but it is all I can get at the house. There is a lot of information at www.copperhead.cc, tweaks, etc. Well worth the price of admission. Mike Perry

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    Not enough info[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 04:25:54 PM PDT

    In case no one here is aware, the FCC regulations concerning residential satellite dishes state that you are allowed to have at least a one meter diameter dish (39.34")to receive sat signals. Reliably. Turns out that the majority of dishes sold by DIrectv, Dish and others are 18" (round) or 22" elliptical. If you have no obstruction of any kind (vegetation or otherwise) and you lose/drop signal strength during bad weather, you are suffering what is termed "rain fade." A larger dish than what you have would practically help to dramatically improve your situation. It may not solve the problem - depending on severity of weather fronts and electrical/rain activity within the path of your dish's "vision." The major problem here is the companies (Dish, Directv, ...) do not offer larger dishes. You have to find them through satellite video vendors.

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    WRONG!!![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 06:48:34 PM PDT

    You're talking about the TV dishes. The data dishes are 0.75 sq meter. They work admirably.


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    Not wrong.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
    by alt on Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 04:04:55 PM PDT

    As I work in Satellite Data and Communications, I can tell you the OP is NOT wrong. You may be thinking of the old analog C-band receivers which used 3m dishes.

    There is no fundamental difference between data over satellite and DVB (Digital Video Broadcast) over satellite. (DirecWay is probably using DVB to encode their data. It's very good at that too.)

    Ku band systems are highly susceptible to rain fade. Especially on small dishes like your .75m dish. You will also get it on a 3.6m dish. The side effects of rain fade on a data system is losing carrier sync. Losing carrier sync means that there is no data flow. If a receiver loses carrier a lot during weather, then there is one practical solution: Get a larger dish.

    The thing is that the link has to be engineered. I can engineer a data link between two 3.6m dishes, but that same link budget will not work between anything smaller during adverse weather, if at all.

    When companies calculate their link budgets, they have to calculate the amount of power and the amount of bandwidth required for the destination to receive the signal. As all this costs money, they calculate the bandwidth and power (power equivalent bandwidth actually) to a 1:1 ratio. And they calculate it so they have "just enough". Some companies cheap out and don't compensate for weather.

    So, if the smallest dish they recommend is a .75m and you live in the Pacific Northwest, don't buy it. Get a .98 or 1.2m instead to compensate for the higher likelyhood of rain/cloud cover in the area (as well as compensating for being near the edge of the footprint). In texas, a .75m may be just fine. But in Seattle, it may not.


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    Direcway Fade[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
    by ki7ay on Fri Dec 02, 2005 at 04:00:36 PM PDT

    I have a nice new system which works pretty well as long as it's not raining or cloudy. It's the DW6000 system with the 22-in reflector. I also have an old perf-metal Zenith C-Band dish and am toying with the idea of modifying it to use the LNB assembly from the Direcway system with the big 6' Zenith reflector. Anyone tried this? I am tired of the rain/cloud fade. Regards, Jim in Springfield, OR
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    For the past two or three months or so, which interstingly enough happens to be a very rainy/stormy time in Springfield, OR, my Direcway 6000 system was down 90% of the time. Back in about mid December, I went on the roof to take a look and maybe reorient the satellite. I discovered that there was condensation in the feedhorn, up to about 30% of the assembly. When it really started getting rainy, I lost the signal completely. I finally got tired of this, and over the holiday weekend, I went up and cut a small slit in the plastic cover, and got the moisture out of the feedhorn (which, by the way, had started to discolor from the oxidation). The system immediately came up, with about 45-55 receive signal level. I covered it up with plastic shopping bags, and watched it for a week. Last weekend, I took home a small Nitrogen gas bottle with a regulator and a short length of 1/8" plastic tubing. I inserted the tubing into the hole in my plastic feedhorn cover, and pushed it in about 8" until it stopped. I allowed a very gentle flow of Nitrogen into the horn such that I could just feel it coming out around the tubing. I did this for over an hour, then increased gas flow a little more and withdrew the tubing, sealing the hole with clear packing tape, then covering the whole thing with another pair of plastic bags. My signal level runs about 55 now, with lots less Transmission errors, and has only faded when it was really raining hard. My present plan is to reorient the antenna to get the signal level up as far as possible (anyone know what that should be?) after I spray the face of the horn with several coats of clear urethane. Anyone know what I should see for signal levels? It seems that I should be able to get better than 55. And I am sure I need to rotate the antenna (cross-pol) a little to improve transmission error rates, but I want to peak receive first. I built a small elevation adjuster that will allow me to loosen the dish elevation screws and turn a 1/4-20 nut to change elevation, so that should help. Any advice is appreciate. And I unplug the dish when I work on it, except of course when I reorient. Regards, Jim in Springfield.
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    Moisture in horn. YUP![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#36)
    by paleoman on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 02:34:47 PM PDT

    Seems that you hit the nail on the head with this one. If your having degrading signal str. over time ( like me). check this out. I had a signal of about 70-73 when installed about 4 mnths ago. Today was the last straw. I was down to 45-50, and if it rained... even a little... I lost signal all together. Today, I pulled the reciever transmitter horn of my dish. I took the 4 "Allen" screws out {Massive pain on a ladder} and the 1/2" bolt holding the thing in place. Now... when you do this it will not set the dish out of alighnment. Ok... so I got the horn off, lookid inside of it and I see water droplets on the inside. SH!T! so... to test it I sealed my lips around the opening where the "O" ring is and blew. Water came out around the "glued" seal. CAN YOU SAY MANUFATURER DEFECT! I re sealed the whole thing and applied heat th the part to cause the moisture in it to be evaporated. Put the whole pile of scrap back together and got my signal back to 69-70! I hope this helps someone! Thnaks for all your helpful posts. Stuck with this direcway trash till cable comes round.

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    An ex-DirecWay user[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 05:42:46 PM PDT

    I had DirecTV satellite television and was relatively satisfied with it, so when I decided to break away from dial-up, I went to DirecWay. After having a new dish installed and the having the software installed on my machine by the technician (he insisted that he had to do it himself), I found that the download speed was only about twice as fast as dial-up. The technician assured me that it would improve as I used it (though he couldn't explain why or how). After using it as much as I could for a couple of days, there was little or no improvement, so I made the first of many, many calls to DirecWay customer service. They always maintained that there was nothing wrong with their equipment, and the fault must lie with my computer, even though they had no evidence to base their claim on. After several weeks of over the phone trouble shooting and "shotgunning" to find the problem, I became concerned that my 30 day "trial period" would run out and I would be stuck with a year long contract for a service that didn't work right. However, one of the tier-two technicians assured me that she would extend my "trial period" for another thirty days. After that, the two hour "troubleshooting calls" had an extra hour added on for me to try and convince whoever I was talking to that I was still under the "trial period", if they would just PLEASE look it up. After spending almost every evening (after I got home from work)on the phone with DirecWay, with no relief in sight and my "extended trial period" about to run out, I decided to end it all. It took several more extended calls, but I finally convinced them that I was dissatisfied and did not want to continue with the DirecWay internet. During the very frustrating six or seven weeks I spent with DirecWay "customer service" technicians from "Tier One" through "Tier Three" service, I experienced technicians that were polite, knowledgeable, and trying to be helpful (although no actual help was ever forthcoming) to the other extreme of technicians that were rude, incompetent, and trouble-making, and everything in between. It also became increasingly difficult to access and navigate the DirecWay "Customer Service" voice mail system, and I spent untold hours on "hold". But the worst part of all was that after all my trouble from DirecWay was finally over, I got a call from DirectTV saying that since I had cancelled DirecWay, my DirecTV was now going to cost me ten dollars more a month. Even after I explained that I had DirecTV before I even tried DirecWay and that there was nothing in my contract about paying more, they insisted that I would be billed for the extra charge and that my only choice was to pay it or cancel the service. Lucky for me, my year long contract with DirecTV was over with, so I cancelled the DirecTV service. And that was the start of the SECOND nightmare. It took another six months of highly frustrating calls to DirecTV to get them to stop billing me for the cancelled service and to refund most (but not all) of my deposit and for the charges they took from my credit card after I had cancelled the service. I figured out that in the end, they still owed me about fifty dollars, but it wasn't worth fighting with them over it anymore. I just vowed to myself that I would never sign up for any "Direc" service of any kind ever again, and that I would let everyone I could know what a horrible experience I had with DirecWay and DirecTV. And so here is my chance to do that. Do NOT sign up with DirecWay or DirecTV if you value your money and your peace of mind, they will take both from you in short order.

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    Here's the problem:[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 06:50:38 PM PDT

    You allowed them to put you on a congested transponder (see above).

    You can / could have gotten a switch.

    Yes, Direcway is merciless on charging your credit card... but, you need to get them to put you on a transponder/satellite that is NOT congested... then it works.

    BWilde

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    Excuse me but...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
    by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:22:28 AM PDT

    Shouldn't the PROVIDER be monitoring its own systems instead of requiring the end user to be a satelite systems expert? Does the DSL provider require the customer to request being moved to another Redback or Cisco that's less utilized? I don't think so. As someone that works in the ISP business and provides everything from dialup, DSL, T1s, Wireless, Satelite, all the way up to DS3 & OC3 lines I find that kind of statement a poor response.

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    Don't get me wrong...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 04:41:46 PM PDT

    ...you're absolutely correct on all points.

    Techies only.

    BWilde


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    An exDirecWay user[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 05:47:58 PM PDT

    BTW, after I dropped DircWay and DirecTV, I went over to Comcast cable for both TV and internet, and have had nothing but great performance ever since. There never was anything wrong with my computer like DirecWay claimed.

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    Why did you even CONSIDER using Direcway...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
    by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 06:52:57 PM PDT

    ...if you had CABLE as an alternative? That's creazy. You fell for their advertising BS.

    Direcway's "up" speeds are exactly modem speed. the "down" speeds can be 1.5 mbps, easily.

    Cable is way better than that in most areas!

    Anyone who has an alternative should use it!!!!

    I submit that you didn't do your homework.

    BWilde


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    Maybe they were like me[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
    by Fushigi on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 06:03:29 AM PDT

    I bought my house in 2002. It's fairly new; in a subdivision that was built around 1997-1998. But...

    - Comcast didn't even have digital cable let alone broadband.
    - I'm about 4000 feet too far for DSL.
    - Borderline distance from the Sears Tower for the Sprint offering and they were full & not taking anyone new.
    - A local wireless provider stopped their service area about 1/4 mile from my subdivision.

    To sum up: dialup or satellite. I went dialup as I couldn't justify the equipment buy-in for the satellite.

    Since then, the cable has gone digital and I switched to Comcast broadband. Maybe the above poster simply didn't have the option at the time.



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