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NPF Headaches

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 06:02:00 PM PDT

Is Norton Personal Firewall causing support headaches for ISPs around the world? That's what one reader hypothesizes after noting a pattern in the support calls his company receives.


"I work for a large business ISP in the UK which also hosts some large home-user ISPs, and the team I work for deals with our support mailbox." the reader wrote. "We get approximately twenty to thirty e-mail a day, and maybe five calls a night, that take a course as follows:

End user: Hi, Someone's trying to hack me, and they're on your network, their IP is 123.123.123.123. TELL THEM TO STOP IT OR I'LL TAKE LEGAL ACTION!

Support: That IP address belongs to a web proxy that you use as part of your contract with (an ISP we host).

End user: Then tell them to stop it!

Support: 'They' are not doing anything. 'They' is a server cluster. What told you about this?

End user: My firewall.

Support: Which one is it?

End user: Norton Personal Firewall.

Support: OK. Can you try a different one, and see if the same thing happens, please?

End user: Ha! I already have! But nothing showed up, so I guess it was inferior. NPF is an industry standard firewall, in use in enterprise solutions!

Support: Not ours. Our standards are Cisco and Nokia's.

End user: Anyway, I hope they stop it.

Support: I'm sure they will."

The reader finally decided to start tracking what firewalls were involved in such complaints. "After a particularly busy night on the phones, we counted these calls up and of the 40 or so we received in one night, EVERY SINGLE USER had NPF," he wrote. "I then asked our Phone Robots -- ticket loggers/call answerers -- to keep a record of numbers of calls, originating IP, and firewall being used to report this. That's right, every single one was Norton Personal Firewall."

What's the reader to conclude? "Either; a) NPF is badly coded, and sees normal broadcast traffic as intrusion attempts," he says. "Or, b) ISP's the world over clearly have no control whatsoever over their autonomous servers. We could say b), but Symantec would probably try to sell us a firewall."

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Product Self-Justification[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by wernst on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 11:21:01 AM PDT

This is not a surprise. Norton products, along with some others like Diskeeper, cry to the heavens at the slightest provocation, mostly, I feel, so that their customers think that they made a good decision.

I mean, what *seems* more effective to an average user: an antivirus product that silently keeps your system virus free, or a product that pops up a window every time it encounters a virus and keeps the system virus free? Why "B" of course.

But what if, in the case of personal firewall software, there are no serious intrusions prevented so that you can pop up a self-congratulatory notice? Why, just *invent* attempted intrusions and *then* pop up a notice! "WOW, how effective this software is," thinks the user.

Executive Software's Diskeeper, a disk defragmenter, does the same thing. Even very minor issues are flagged as critical problems which could lead to the end of the world, if not immediately corrected. Thank god you've got Diskeeper to come to the rescue. It must be working, because after an optimization, the world hasn't ended.

My "elephant repellant spray" is also working perfectly too. Whew. It must be effective.

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Product Self-Justification?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Rocktman2 on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:37:16 AM PDT

Not being familiar with NPF (been using ZA for years), can you turn off notifications & keep logging? No elephants, huh? I know it as the "banana in the ear."

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