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Business Objects Licensing Isn't Crystal Clear

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 12:05:38 AM PDT

It's getting harder and harder for IT managers to be sure what license rights they're getting with a product. That seems to be the case in particular with Business Objects and the complex series of changes it's made to Crystal Reports licensing since acquiring that product.


"We've recently started receiving calls from Business Objects wanting to know how many people receive reports via email from our Crystal Reports Enterprise Server," a reader wrote. "It seems they have cooked up the idea that each person who receives a report -- whether it be in PDF or Excel or CSV -- needs a license. They have even mentioned that their Office of Compliance may need to get involved if we can't supply the number. What if we e-mail it to one person and they forward it? Do those people count? What kind of extortion is this?"

The reader subsequently had a conference call with Business Objects officials to get the licensing situation clarified. "It does appear in the Crystal version 9 license that you are limited to 10 users that you can e-mail to for every concurrent access license (CAL) you have," he reported ruefully. "This was not disclosed when we were evaluating Crystal Enterprise two years ago. Of course they will sell you a Report Distribution License for $45,000 plus $9,000 annual maintenance, just to be able to send your data to your employees in .PDF format using your Exchange server. Or you can buy additional CALs at $4,100 each -- compared to the bundle of five we bought initially at $6,200 total. Like I said -- extortion."

The reader says his company would have never even considered Crystal Enterprise had the restrictive licensing been made clear. "We've begun to explore other tools for scheduling reports," he wrote. "We don't need all of the functionality of Crystal Enterprise. We just need a scheduler, and not a $100,000 solution."

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Wishful thinking (at BO)[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 03:39:30 PM PDT

As annoying as this may sound, it strikes me as odd that such a concept is even contemplated. Can BO limit the distribution of a document you have created with their tool at all?

Just as a comparison, if that concept would hold, Microsoft can (for example) require CALs for word documents you write when they are read by more than 5 people.


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Sounds familiar[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by ChuckGabriel on Tue Sep 28, 2004 at 09:45:00 AM PDT

If BO owns the documents, I guess they also own the legal liability for any damages caused by inaccuracies in the documents as well?

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That's just flabbergasting.  

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I'd Like To See Them Test It In Court[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Sep 28, 2004 at 10:01:58 AM PDT

It's like Ticonderoga claiming they own anything written with a #2 pencil.

Or Binney & Smith claiming they own anything drawn with Crayolas.

It is utter and unmitigated bull, and I'd love to see them try to explain to a judge how it is that they claim copyright -- which is what it is, a claim to own the right to control the copies -- on a work they didn't create, they didn't think of, that they wouldn't know existed under normal circumstances.

The thing to be afraid of is what happens if they do go to court, and against all odds they win. The precedent would be horrifying. Of course, that might prompt the Intellectual Property Industry get in on the act on the other side...

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forwarding[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by veritek on Tue Sep 28, 2004 at 11:20:42 AM PDT

So, are you responsible for paying for licenses for everyone who gets a report forwarded to them? I doubt they can claim that.

Just send the report to a single e-mail address: a mailing list. Subscribe all the desired recipients to a mailing list.

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No distribution lists[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by toma on Thu Oct 14, 2004 at 08:03:55 AM PDT

When I spoke with the BO sales people they specifically stated it is a violation of the license to email a report to a distribution list.

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by mbeymer on Tue Sep 28, 2004 at 11:25:54 AM PDT

I would be setting up a mail server group distribution list to send the messages. By doing this it creates a cutoff from the BO software and enters the area of copyright. You have sent the report to one user account using their software. After that it has nothing to do with their software but mail distribution systems. They may be able to control the way their software distributes the document, but it is beyond reason that they can control the document once it has left the system. Unfortunitly I can see companies trying to put DRM in place to allow their control beyond their system. #include <IANAL> //your mileage may vary.

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Crystal Reports[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by auctionhugh on Wed Sep 29, 2004 at 07:08:34 AM PDT

I have personally been very sad ever since the day that Crystal took over the top market position from R&R, which was a much better product. How is it that crystal decided around version 9.0 that we no longer need to distribute compiled reports (.exe files), but instead we need to buy some complicated crystal server instead? The company sells inadequate products (try doing a join on a calculated field or partial field like R&R allowed) using the model which allows them to bring in the most possible revenue. I'm not at all surprised about this new licensing scheme. Note: The opinions stated here are my personal opinion and do not necessarily represent the viewpoint of kallen web design.

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Crystal Enterprise[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 29, 2004 at 07:38:43 AM PDT

Crystal Reports has always had a report distribution license (at least since version 5.0). Crystal Enterprise may be labeled with "version 10," but its really only version 4. And this version is the first version with enough features to make it worth its cost. The solution is NOT meant to be just a scheduling tool. Create a vb script for that or go to one of the MANY 3rd party companies selling that type of utility. But the main point that is missing from this article is that you are allowed to email as many people as you want to on an unscheduled basis. With Crystal Reports, the licensing clearly states that if you are automatically and regularly scheduling a report or reports to be run and distributed to more than 50 people at a time, then you need the Report Distribution license. With Crystal Enterprise, the same licensing structure is in place, but is partially based on the number of User Licenses that you own. The reason for the difference is because these are DIFFERENT products. Crystal Reports is a development tool allowing you to create a template design for each of your reports. You hold one license per developer and that one license allows you to run a report and send it to who ever is needed. Crystal Enterprise is a Business Intelligence solution allowing you to publish Crystal Report files, Crystal Analysis files, Word and Excel documents and other document types through the Crystal Enterprise solution. The licensing is per user or per processor. The per user licensing is where the Report Distribution License comes in depending upon how many people the 1 Named User or the 1 Concurrent Access User is automatically, regularly, scheduling and distributing reports to through email. Yes its confusing, but most licensing plans are confusing because they are legally binding documents and most Buyers are not lawyers! So ask lots of questions and remember that software changes annually. So what you bought 2 years ago will NOT be the same as what you are upgrading to today.

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Crystal Reports vs. Crystal Enterprise[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 29, 2004 at 09:11:51 AM PDT

Of course, with all this being said, what is left out is that if you are using Crystal _Reports_ and have a secretary press a button on program (NOT a web site), you can have unlimitied email distribution of reports.  You just can't put the app on a server, or automatically schedule anything.  But if it is a client app, and a user hits the button, you can send to as many people as you want.  And yes, I emailed BO about this situation, and that was their answer.

If on the other hand, you want to put up a website, put the reports on a server, or have an automated report distribution system, then you end up in the crazy Crystal Enterprise world with Report Distribution licenses.

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CE email licensing[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 04:51:28 PM PDT

What version of CE are you using? I heard that this was only for CE 9 and they dropped that policy for CE 10.

Brian Bischof
www.CrystalReportsBook.com

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